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I was told that there are many compounds of poly bushings.  we are trying to get a similar grade to the original rubber.  I was told these should hold up better than rubber.  Please continue with questions and I will pass them on
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What does the pricing look like? I was planning on using the CV mounts, but if these are decent I might hold of on doing them for a little while.
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Any updates on this?   I'm about ready to buy new body bushings. 
 
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Just now getting to work on the bushings...Having trouble getting the fronts off.   Do you  have to remove the fenders to remove the bushings?   ( can't tell if the nuts are welded in or loose)

Got it up on stands...
Was planning to loosen one side (for a pivot) and remove the opposite side.  Then was going to use the jack (with a wood block on the rocker panel at the bushing location) to lift each side of the body and use 4" blocks between the frame and body to hold it while I work.   

I dont have a hoist or lift.   Any help would be greatly appreciated.   
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John I used an engine hoist to lift my body off my frame.
Front then back.
My front clip was off and drivetrain was out.
I need to find pictures...
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Got the mounts to loosen up.   Some creaking and popping, but slow and easy...got them loose.

Looks like 8 mounts on a 72-73...4 in front, 2 in front of rear wheels, 2 after rear wheels.  

Did i find all of them?   I thought there were suppose be 10 mounts..


I was hoping to be able to do it without taking the front clip off.   My plan was to get enough clearance on one side to clean up and paint the frame; not for looks but for protection.  Inspect and clean, then put the new mounts on and then move to the other side.   Trying to get the underside and suspension cleaned up and done before getting the beast painted.   Overall its pretty clean, even the bolts still have the zinc plating.  Its an Arizona car.   All the rubber, plastic, undercoat, body sealer, is cracking off and disintegrating.

O'well....plans change all the timeConfused

will the hoist make it that much easier?   I guess a run to harbor freight and get that 2 ton model...

Regarding painting...while its at the paint shop I was planning on taking the inner fender wells and radiator support off to get powder coated.   Figure I would work on the motor and trans last and defer the hoist till then.




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Powdercoating the fenderwells and core support is money well spent on those parts prone to rust.
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Originally posted by BackInBlack BackInBlack wrote:

Looks like 8 mounts on a 72-73...4 in front, 2 in front of rear wheels, 2 after rear wheels.  

Did i find all of them?   I thought there were suppose be 10 mounts..




there are 12.  2 at the very front under the radiator core support...  4 (2 on each side) under the firewall...  2 just in front of the axle...  4 behind the axle....  

look through the second page of my project update thread...  you can see where each one is...
http://forum.grantorinosport.org/legends-73-gran-torino-sport-stacy-lynn_topic4837_page2.html
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Originally posted by legend onirot legend onirot wrote:

Originally posted by BackInBlack BackInBlack wrote:

Looks like 8 mounts on a 72-73...4 in front, 2 in front of rear wheels, 2 after rear wheels.  

Did i find all of them?   I thought there were suppose be 10 mounts..




there are 12.  2 at the very front under the radiator core support...  4 (2 on each side) under the firewall...  2 just in front of the axle...  4 behind the axle....  

look through the second page of my project update thread...  you can see where each one is...
http://forum.grantorinosport.org/legends-73-gran-torino-sport-stacy-lynn_topic4837_page2.html

Thanks!  I already replaced the radiator bushing with the poly setup on this thread (forgot to mention that).  I'm using the recommended crown vic bushings for the body.   I would have rather used poly but alas...nothing available.
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My 72 frame has 14 bushings. I had 2 above the rear axle also.
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I was going to say there are two on the rear cross member above the rear axle.
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don't forget the 2 oval ones that have a flared nipple and sit on the frame below the door sill in the channel.
They get stuck to the body most of the time and then when they fall out later you look at them all confused trying to figure out WHERE DID THESE COME FROM?
They help stiffen the body and frame from sagging in the middle.
 
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Originally posted by Regul8r Regul8r wrote:

don't forget the 2 oval ones that have a flared nipple and sit on the frame below the door sill in the channel.
They get stuck to the body most of the time and then when they fall out later you look at them all confused trying to figure out WHERE DID THESE COME FROM?
They help stiffen the body and frame from sagging in the middle.
 
LOL that's exactly what happened to me!!! i was like WTF, where the hell did that come from???
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On my 73 GTS, I dont have any oval ones as you described.   As mentioned before

4 in front of body
2 right in front of axle 
2 right behind axle past the arch in the frame
2 at the back end tucked up behind the bumper

There are what looks like some guide pins mounted in the body to help align when you set the body back down.   I dont have any oval mounts in the middle.  I will double check.

Edit...yup got them.  2 of them each under the door hinge area.




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73 only has 12. They don't use the 2 above the axle. Those oval ones also come square too. That "nipple" pops into a hole in the frame.
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12 on a 73?   I counted 10
Did you mean 12 on a 1972 and 10 on a 1973?

Ok...you mean 12 with the oval ones.   Really has been a rough few weeks for me lately. 


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Why cut the Crown Vic part down to 1 1/4"?   I'm missing something.   

Maybe I'm just to tired to see the obvious...been shoveling a crap ton of snow.  36" in 36 hours.   Next time I have to move it will be some place where it never snows.  

I measured 1 1/2" on the original part.   
Doesn't the tube determine the install height of the bushing?   
Oh...and I found those oval ones.....   Do you replace or remove those?

Confirmed the 1 1/4"....my measurements were off.  

What do you do with the oval bushings???





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IF you don't cut down the CV ones you will have to do some extra "adjusting" to the bumpers as the body would be 1/4" higher.
Also will have to make sure you raise the core support that same 1/4"
 
NOT a big deal in the long run but will drive you crazy wondering why the entire nose and bumpers do not line up.
 
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IIRC, my 74 has 10 + the 2 oval ones + 2 for the core support
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From front to back
 
2- core support(NOT the same as the body mounts)
 
4- firewall front mounts
2-midframe ovals(not bolted just push nipples that hold in place
2-at the rear seat area in front of the rear control arm pockets
2- over the rear end on the crossmember in front of the spring pocket
2- on the rear frame rail just behind the wheel well(look in the trunk and you will see the round bump on each side for the bolt clearance by the wheel well on the trunk floor)
2 at the very rear on the frame 72-73, on the rear crossmember 74-79
 
12 Bolted mounts
2 oval "insulators" on the frame rails
2 core support mounts 
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