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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-July-2006 at 3:11PM
   I like the air breather too !!  $2.99 at any ace hardware store rite  !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-July-2006 at 3:59PM
The problem with side exit is the rear lower control arms, the frame hangs abit low back there and 3" pipes will hit the ground occasionally unless your car sits up high..
(I had 2.5" out the side and it was close enough that I ripped one off occasionally)
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545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-July-2006 at 3:13PM

Well, Lots done, I guess.
Carb is on, throttle is hooked up.. Kickdown is not. I hooked up the fuel line and gauge setup I got. Still need to go from there to the filter to the pump.

I changed my cracked dizzy cap (Summit makes a clear one. That was a $40 mistake).
I installed my PA performance 3g alternator kit, as well as the 3g alternator I got from FordFuelInjection.com

My alternator was dynoed, it came with a sheet, LOL.

I wired up a relay for the ignition, and hid it behind the battery.
I also mounted a fuse panel (I think it's actually a fuse block from my father's 57 Chevy) in a small Radio Shack project box. This box has fuses for the fan, ign, and will have some for the headlights.

I still need to wire loom the wires... but man, I discovered velcro zip ties from Radio Shack (my mother got me some, long story).

In other news.. my Flexalite fan VSC controller is JUNK!. I bought this 5 years ago, it worked when I parked the car.. now whenever power is applied to that board, the fan turns on! WTF! I found out that FAL redesigned the board... 3 years ago. I emailed em, hoping they'll cut me a break. This is rediculous.

My air cleaner may JUST BARELY clear the hood.. I hope. I wanted to run the stock cleaner sealed to the hoodscoop.. We'll see when the hood is on.

So.. here's the messy engine bay.  :lol:

Paul
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-July-2006 at 3:29PM
     Has any one ever made an exaust  out of square channel stock ( for example  a peice that is 1 1/2"  X 6"  schld  40  that can receave a 460 manifold and dump out to a good expansion chamber. ?  Or should I try to make one that will work with the proper back preasure?  A quick connect as well for inspection change overs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-July-2006 at 2:28PM
Steve, NASCAR uses "oval" pipe for ground clearance.. that help?
 
Well, it doesn't run yet, as I spent 2 hours trying to get the @!^!%#*( distributor lined up. I only have like, 30 degrees of actual turning, because of a stupid temp sensor I need to remove (which is leaving tomorrow) and the plug wires need to be re aligned for proper length.

My starter is also grinding itself to pieces on every 3rd attempt, so I ordered a gear reduction piece while I'm at it..

However, I did wire loom everything, heh.

I'll play with exhaust while I wait for a starter to arrive.
 
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77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-August-2006 at 1:53PM

Hood scoop hole cut. I can go 14x4 and have clearance for the top of the scoop. I want to use the OEM bottom, sealed to the hood. I just need to find a seal from a random vehicles trunk that will seal tightly.  (note seal that doesnt fit)

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77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-September-2006 at 1:50PM

A month since my last update..
 :roll:

Exhaust is done.. Just need to spray it with some BBQ grill paint and bolt it back up.
Parts are
3" Jegs X pipe
3" > 2.5" flowmaster reducer cones
2.5" Borla ProXS mufflers
2.5" Flowmaster "UFit" Kit.. I had to cut and weld it all.

I put flanges after the mufflers, so I can drop the center section if I need to drop a tranny.. or want to run cutouts .

Not bad for my first attempt at this sort of thing.

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77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-September-2006 at 1:51AM
Looks very nice!   Car should sound very healthy..   Not as deep as an H, but will have a very hard edge to it..   Did you totally solve the starter problem?  
1976 S&H Gran Torino

460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6

545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8

More to come!!!!

463rwhp/495rwtq

two tons of fun

see it and hear it at:

www.torinocobra.com

www.st
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-September-2006 at 2:33AM
Jim, Yes.. The issue was that gear lash as people were saying on the 460 forum. I took the starter, slotted the unthreaded hole, and machined off (well, angle grinder) half of teh 'seat' on the starter flange, so I could  have some adjustment. Now it's perfect, or at least, a million times better than before, and no more grinding.
 
I'll have another update later this week :-)
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77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-September-2006 at 4:47AM
Can't wait.  I am taking pics of my trials and tribulations, I just havent' pulled them out of the camera yet..  (two broken valve springs, just the inners).  I have lots of work to do, especially since the seal got damaged and it looks like some of it got to the pan, so off that comes as well.. )
 
At least so far it looks like the cam and valve seats survived the ruckus..
 
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1976 S&H Gran Torino

460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6

545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8

More to come!!!!

463rwhp/495rwtq

two tons of fun

see it and hear it at:

www.torinocobra.com

www.st
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-September-2006 at 7:22AM

Yuck. I really hope the alignment of my pushrods is somewhat ok.. It's not perfect, but close. There was a guy on the 460 forum with an overbuilt 545 with the same cam I'm running now.. He built it for his truck.. engine pulled like 500 hp @ 5000 and 600.. on the downward slope of the torque curve, from 2000 - 4000.. That'd be good enough for a reliable mid 12 second run with some traction, and be streetable enough to drive cross country if the owner so chose. lol.  

I want something both bullet proof, reliable, and relatively low maintenance.
 
This right now can be my 'starter' engine. :-) I'll post a video once I get the exhaust leaks sorted out (stupid aluminum gaskets)
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77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-September-2006 at 8:45AM

Traction is always the key....

:-)

I will say that since I've gone the stroker route, I'll never go back...  It's just easy, effortless power, I just need to be a little more realistic because if you think it might break, it probably will...  (I chose the SCJA heads and the springs with those were close to their limits with the cam I'm running).  I am looking towards the solid roller option next, it's just a $$$ thing....

 

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460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6

545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8

More to come!!!!

463rwhp/495rwtq

two tons of fun

see it and hear it at:

www.torinocobra.com

www.st
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-September-2006 at 6:05PM

So over the weekend I got a lot accomplished

Tranny cooler mounted with hard line from the radiator to the cooler, save for 1.5" of hose (cooler has barb ends). Came out nice.

Plug wires are sorted out and are run nicely (yes, this was a bigger deal than it sounds.  :oops: )

AEM wideband is working (car idles around 13:1 A/F ratio)

Fixed my exhaust leaks, either by welding up what was leaking, or permatex, in teh case of the collector gaskets.

Timing is at 13 deg

Electric fan controller works. Fans come on at 190, off at 180... car will idle with fans blowing full tilt at 178.

Filled the tranny... no leaks.


Ok, so it wasn't THAT productive of a weekend.

Things left to do.
Tighten exhaust hangars (once my tips arrive I can see how off the pipes are from each other)
see if playing with the mixture screws gets me anything.
Clamp the tranny lines together + to the rad support
Rebend the fuel filter-to-carb-inlet-line.. Mine had a nice kickup to it under the radiator hose, that basically reduced the outlet size by 50%  :roll:
See if I can make a small skip go away. I'm thinking it might actually have been because one of the headers leaked at the collector gasket for about 1" of the circumference of the gasket, but we'll see.

I should probably pop the valve covers and check the rockers to see if they are still tight, etc.

Oh yah.. drain the radiator and flush the whole thing.. The water has a lovely brown appearance.. I never drained the block when the car sat.  :oops:

It's really just button up some minor things, then I can actually drive it..

I did move it this past Saturday... 25 feet in the driveway.. with no brakes (unrelated story).. so I didn't try anything in the driveway, heh.

For a shameless pic.. who knew that K&N filters fade in sunlight?

Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-September-2006 at 9:05AM

In the last three days, I and a friend reassembled the engine, set the valves, installed the engine, trans, d/s loop, d/s, exhaust and detailed the tail lights, rear bumper filler, and the brake booster.  Next is finishing the master cylinder, replumbing the oil and temp gauges, carb, radiator and fan, accessories, putting in the new carpet and scuff plates and NHRA legal belts then topping off all the fluids.... 

 
All this needs to go smoothly and be done before Friday..  Happy Happy, Joy Joy.

 

:-)

 

Jim  

1976 S&H Gran Torino

460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6

545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8

More to come!!!!

463rwhp/495rwtq

two tons of fun

see it and hear it at:

www.torinocobra.com

www.st
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-September-2006 at 1:53PM
  I got lost some how for 2 weeks.My wife reconnected me tonite.I think you got alot done this month.Well I stripped my interior out this week end and found alot
of rust in the floor boards.So I am interested in what you may have in that department. You may get mail from me soon for the tranny frame.  My father gave me a C-6 that came out of a E-350 van with out over drive. So I think I'm all set there. My next move is to replace all the bushings.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-September-2006 at 2:16PM
Steve, take some pics of your floors, and we can talk.
 
Jim, Wow.. Granted, I'm down to two hours a night (I really need to clean the garage so I can get the car in there). I did rebend that fuel line tonight, and flushed the radiator... amazingly brown/yuck.. no more exhaust leak either. :-)
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78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-September-2006 at 5:57PM

Video!

I redid the fuel line today, and flushed the cooling system.. I love watching rusty antifreeze/water flow up out of my radiator.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8356832450949720452&hl=en

And no, my car doesn't sound like a helicopter in person... I swear.. I can't explain that one.. must be the camera.  :-?

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'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500
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