The Ford Torino Page Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Engine Specific Forum > Big Block Engine Forum
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - 460 and c6 trans out of 87 motorhome
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

460 and c6 trans out of 87 motorhome

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
jversch View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 25-March-2013
Location: Canandaigua NY
Status: Offline
Points: 282
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jversch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: 460 and c6 trans out of 87 motorhome
    Posted: 13-March-2018 at 1:39AM
I can get it for 200 . Is it worth working with to put in a 73 GTS fastback .  Speedo shows 040,000 miles . looks clean.
Jerry VerSchneider
1972 Gran torino formal roof H Code
1973 Gran torino fast back H code.
Back to Top
Rockatansky View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 30-July-2010
Location: On The Road
Status: Online
Points: 3945
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rockatansky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 4:18AM
for $200 it sounds like a no brainer?


i'd say take all you can get


small issue / if at all the trans output shaft has the speedo drive gear machined in, they can't be changed so speedo correction to a car sized tire depends upon the range of the driven gears that you can change .... if the trans has cable speedo capability at all?

and it has an RV cam  LOL LOL LOL
72 GT Ute
   
Back to Top
7T9_Tbird View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 04-December-2017
Location: Athens, Alabama
Status: Offline
Points: 241
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 7T9_Tbird Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 6:20AM
Is it already out?  Pulling a motor and trans out of a full-size RV is a pain in the...stones.  If it's going to the scrap heap, bring a sawzall, makes life easier.
John
79 Thunderbird Heritage
79 Thunderbird Town Landau
Back to Top
dave302 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 08-October-2009
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 3054
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dave302 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 7:02AM
You also will have to get all of the parts to make it work in the '73 GTS, including: The motor mounts from any 72-76 torino or montego that came with a 429 or 460 engine. Or any 72-77 ranchero that came with a 429 or 460 engine. You can also get the motor mounts from any 72-76 Lincoln mark IV or 72-76 thunderbird that came with a 429 or 460 engine.

Edited by dave302 - 21-March-2018 at 7:22PM
Back to Top
dave302 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 08-October-2009
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 3054
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dave302 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 7:09AM
You will also need front coil springs from a 72-76 torino, or montego, or a 72-77 ranchero that came with a 429 or 460 engine. You might also need a 3 row radiator and fan shroud from the 72-76 torino or montego or 72-77 ranchero that came with a 429 or 460 engine. Some 72-76 torinos, montegos and rancheros with the 400 engine came with a 3 row radiator. There are also aftermarket radiators available that will fit. If you are going to install air conditioning then you will need the front coil springs from the torino, ranchero's and montego's listed above that came with a 429 or 460 with air conditioning.

Edited by dave302 - 13-March-2018 at 8:37AM
Back to Top
dave302 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 08-October-2009
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 3054
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dave302 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 7:18AM
You might also need the drive shaft from a 72-76 torino or montego, or 72-77 ranchero that came with a 429 or 460 engine. If your 73 GTS has a 302 or 351 2V with a C4 transmission drive shaft, that driveshaft might be too long and you might have to have it shortened to install the 460/C6 combination. I do not know if the drive shaft from a 72-76 torino, ranchero or montego with a 351C 4v Q Code/C6 or 351 Modified/C6 or 400/C6 engine will work. You will also need a drive shaft yoke that will fit. You might be able to use the original transmission mount. What engine and transmission does your 73 GTS have in it now?

Edited by dave302 - 13-March-2018 at 12:23PM
Back to Top
dave302 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 08-October-2009
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 3054
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dave302 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 7:30AM

You might also need the speedometer cable from a 72-76 torino, montego or ranchero that came with a 429 or 460 engine. If you are going to install hooker headers into the GTS with the 460, you will have to raise the engine approximately one and a quarter inches up on the drivers side to clear the power steering gear. Or you can remove the power steering gear to install the drivers side header and reinstall the power steering gear after the drivers side header is installed. Or you can grind down the pedestal step on the drivers side of the engine block below the cylinder head near the firewall, to install the drivers side header with the power steering gear installed.

Edited by dave302 - 11-May-2018 at 9:28PM
Back to Top
dave302 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 08-October-2009
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 3054
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dave302 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 7:40AM
If you are going to install hooker headers on the gts with the 460, you might have to relocate the front brake lines where they attach to the gts chassis near the front upper control arms. You might have to raise the engine up to 5 degrees (after engine installation) on the passenger side so the passenger side header does not crush the passenger side front brake line near the front upper control arm. You also might want to install heat shields so that the drivers side and passenger side headers do not heat the brake lines at the chassis mount near the front upper control arms. 

Edited by dave302 - 13-March-2018 at 12:27PM
Back to Top
dave302 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 08-October-2009
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 3054
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dave302 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 7:42AM
There might also be a few other parts that you might need to install the 460/C6 combination into the GTS, but I cannot remember right now. Maybe one of the other members might know.
Back to Top
dave302 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 08-October-2009
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 3054
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dave302 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 7:54AM
Notice in the picture below where the mounting locations are for the front brake lines on the frame near the front upper control arms. The hooker headers come very close to these brake lines. It might be possible that other brands of headers will come close to the front brake lines as well.


Edited by dave302 - 13-March-2018 at 12:09PM
Back to Top
dave302 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 08-October-2009
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 3054
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dave302 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 8:04AM
Crites also makes motor mounts for the 429/460 gran torino, but they might lower the engine approximately half an inch on each side. So you might have to use crites headers with the crires engine mounts. You might not be able to use the hooker headers with the crites engine mounts.

Edited by dave302 - 13-March-2018 at 12:29PM
Back to Top
jversch View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 25-March-2013
Location: Canandaigua NY
Status: Offline
Points: 282
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jversch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 9:34AM
Originally posted by 7T9_Tbird 7T9_Tbird wrote:

Is it already out?  Pulling a motor and trans out of a full-size RV is a pain in the...stones.  If it's going to the scrap heap, bring a sawzall, makes life easier.
it will be all pulled out just have to pick it up .
Jerry VerSchneider
1972 Gran torino formal roof H Code
1973 Gran torino fast back H code.
Back to Top
jversch View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 25-March-2013
Location: Canandaigua NY
Status: Offline
Points: 282
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jversch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 10:11AM
Thanks Dave , Right now the car has no engine or transmission ! I think it had a 351c . I figured it would need springs and there was no radiator so I think a three row radiator with electric fans would work will . Moving brake lines in minor work . Headers are a definite, that’s what they make shoe horns for.
Jerry VerSchneider
1972 Gran torino formal roof H Code
1973 Gran torino fast back H code.
Back to Top
jversch View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 25-March-2013
Location: Canandaigua NY
Status: Offline
Points: 282
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jversch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 10:17AM
I will have the yoke from the RV . They cut it off to use as a plug to keep the oil in . There is a place here that makes up driveshafts so that’s not a big deal .
Jerry VerSchneider
1972 Gran torino formal roof H Code
1973 Gran torino fast back H code.
Back to Top
jversch View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 25-March-2013
Location: Canandaigua NY
Status: Offline
Points: 282
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jversch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 10:22AM
Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

for $200 it sounds like a no brainer?


i'd say take all you can get


small issue / if at all the trans output shaft has the speedo drive gear machined in, they can't be changed so speedo correction to a car sized tire depends upon the range of the driven gears that you can change .... if the trans has cable speedo capability at all?

and it has an RV cam  LOL LOL LOL
who needs a speedo we have GPS now days
Jerry VerSchneider
1972 Gran torino formal roof H Code
1973 Gran torino fast back H code.
Back to Top
Rockatansky View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 30-July-2010
Location: On The Road
Status: Online
Points: 3945
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rockatansky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 10:34AM
those gps speedo set-ups are neat but not cheap

or just velcro your phone / app to the dash ?
72 GT Ute
   
Back to Top
7T9_Tbird View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 04-December-2017
Location: Athens, Alabama
Status: Offline
Points: 241
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 7T9_Tbird Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 10:59AM
I used a garmin until i found a decent speedo for my Landau.  Just set it to display MPH in the corner of the screen. $30 out of most pawn shops, usually 'cuz the battery's dead.
John
79 Thunderbird Heritage
79 Thunderbird Town Landau
Back to Top
dave302 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 08-October-2009
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 3054
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dave302 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 11:50AM
Originally posted by jversch jversch wrote:

Thanks Dave
Your welcome. The 73 GTS came originally with a breaker points distributor and a breaker points ignition system, the '77 460 used an electronic ignition system with no breaker points. You should try to get the electronic ignition module from the RV that the 460 came out of. You will have to wire the electronic ignition into the 73 GTS. Or you can use an earlier distributor from a 1968 through 1973 429 or 460 engine, and you can install an aftermarket electronic ignition module into the 1968 through 1973 429 or 460 distributor. Or you can go back to breaker points in an earlier 1968-1974 distributor.

Edited by dave302 - 13-March-2018 at 12:31PM
Back to Top
dave302 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 08-October-2009
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 3054
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dave302 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 11:55AM
You should use all of the accessories, brackets, pulleys and belts from the 460. The motor mounts can sometimes be difficult to find. They have 2 or 3 parts to each motor mount. The parts are: The engine side of the motor mount, the frame/chassis side of the motor mount and possibly a rubber insulator in between each motor mount. You will also need all of the nuts and bolts for the motor mounts.

Edited by dave302 - 13-March-2018 at 12:35PM
Back to Top
dave302 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 08-October-2009
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 3054
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dave302 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 12:06PM
I believe that the 351 Modified and 400 engines use the same ignition distributors as the 429 and 460 engines that were built the same years. They all switched to electronic ignitions in 1974. The distributors that use breaker points use a slightly different ignition coil than the distributors that use an electronic ignition system.
Back to Top
dave302 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 08-October-2009
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 3054
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dave302 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 1:03PM

To install the drivers side header easier and not have to remove the Power Steering gear, you can cut the pedestal off the block just below where the head meets the block just below the #8 head bolt near the firewall. As seen in the picture below the pedestal has a step in it, you can cut it at the first step and use a die grinder to smooth the area. The piece is about an inch wide X 7/8" tall and about 7/8" thick. You can do this with the engine installed and it allows a much easier drivers side header install, with no adverse effects to the block since nothing mounts to this pedestal.



Edited by dave302 - 13-March-2018 at 2:43PM
Back to Top
dave302 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 08-October-2009
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 3054
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dave302 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 1:05PM
The picture below points to the pedestal on the block.
Back to Top
dave302 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 08-October-2009
Location: usa
Status: Offline
Points: 3054
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dave302 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 1:11PM
The area in the engine bay that needs the most attention is the Air Conditioning evaporator case, just above the Passenger Side header. You can fabricate a heat shield that protects the entire box where the evaporator resides and it also protects the Passenger Side footwell area from heat. The A/C evaporator case is very close to the passenger side header.
Back to Top
mkshelton View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: 14-March-2012
Location: Sierra Vista
Status: Offline
Points: 170
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mkshelton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-March-2018 at 2:51PM
Im kind of jealous. I wish I had put in a big block rather than rebuild the 351 w. That rebuild cost over $3000!
"Sometimes I wonder if I'm actually UNinventing the wheel"
Back to Top
jversch View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 25-March-2013
Location: Canandaigua NY
Status: Offline
Points: 282
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jversch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-March-2018 at 1:09AM
$3,000 isn't that bad depending on what was done .
Jerry VerSchneider
1972 Gran torino formal roof H Code
1973 Gran torino fast back H code.
Back to Top
mkshelton View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: 14-March-2012
Location: Sierra Vista
Status: Offline
Points: 170
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mkshelton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-March-2018 at 1:32AM
That was pretty much just a stock rebuild. The crank was reused. Hypereutenic pistons but everything else was stock spec.I wish I had gone stroker.
"Sometimes I wonder if I'm actually UNinventing the wheel"
Back to Top
fordismyboss View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 05-January-2014
Location: SF Bay Area
Status: Offline
Points: 261
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fordismyboss Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-March-2018 at 2:40AM
Originally posted by dave302 dave302 wrote:

You might also need the drive shaft from a 72-76 torino or montego, or 72-77 ranchero that came with a 429 or 460 engine. If your 73 GTS has a 302 or 351 2V with a C4 transmission drive shaft, that driveshaft might be too long and you might have to have it shortened to install the 460/C6 combination. I do not know if the drive shaft from a 72-76 torino, ranchero or montego with a 351C 4v Q Code/C6 or 351 Modified/C6 or 400/C6 engine will work. You will also need a drive shaft yoke that will fit. You might be able to use the original transmission mount. What engine and transmission does your 73 GTS have in it now?


The drive shaft and yoke from a Montego 400 & C6 will fit perfectly with a 429/460 & C6 into a Torino. All I did was paint it and install new u-joints.


Back to Top
72FordGTS View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar

Joined: 06-September-2005
Location: Ontario, Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 2389
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 72FordGTS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-March-2018 at 8:03AM
As far as the springs, you can get away with running the stock springs with a big block it will just sit lower.  Aftermarket springs are a crap shoot anyway, as you'll see in the spring posts in the technical section.
 
Aquartlow (Todd) is pretty knowledgeable about BB Fords.  He'd be a good guy to talk to if you plan to build the engine and he can probably help you with the headers fitment questions.  I know the Crites engine mounts are different than OEM BBF mounts.  Do some searches hear on the mounts, there is some good info on here.
Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car
Back to Top
aquartlow View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 19-December-2011
Location: Summerfield, Fl
Status: Offline
Points: 1755
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aquartlow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-March-2018 at 6:53AM
Vince,
 Thank you for the kind words, been working on 429-460's since high school(mid-80's), so I've learned a thing or two. Already a bunch great info given in this thread, some of it even looks VERY familiar to me Wink. I would have given a reply before now but have been out of town working. Tomorrow, Gatornationals here I come.
www.supermotors.net/22468
Yeah, It's a Hybrid...It burns gas and tires.

No matter how good she looks, somebody, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t.

Beauty is skin deep, ugliness goes clear to the bone.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.10
Copyright ©2001-2017 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.078 seconds.