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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ilyes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-March-2017 at 1:58PM
I would suggest you read this, it's full of useful info.
My 2 cents is do the lifter bore mod. It's the most effective and will cure the problem.
The oil plugs are just a band aid, it will help keep your pressure up but you will still have oil bleeding out of the lifter holes.

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run a pipe from rear to front of block too
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Originally posted by ilyes ilyes wrote:

The oil plugs are just a band aid, it will help keep your pressure up but you will still have oil bleeding out of the lifter holes.  
 
the Moroso/Roush cam bearing restrictors (drilled orifice set screws in the feed from the main saddles to the cam bearings) don't do diddly squat, the cam is getting pushed down over the oil supply holes by 16 valve springs limiting the oil flow
 
bushing the lifter bores www.lifterboretools.com will require complete dis-assembly (warranty void) and wash / re-assemble. it would really $uck to do that work to find out you just ate the warranty & need it. I'd run the engine as-is at least for any warranty period before taking it down ... but yes the lifter bore restrictor bushings ARE the FIX for the 351C oiling system if you're going to run it that hard
 
external line can't hurt unless it fails & drains your oil pan or burns your car to the ground, it just routes an oil supply to the rear of the engine (end of the system) but the lifter bores are still hemorrhaging
 
standard oil pump or HV?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 72GTS351CJ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-March-2017 at 3:15PM
I've had many Cleveland engines. Maybe not all out race but nice street cars. I don't understand all the bad press about the oiling system. I never had any problems whatsoever. Maybe I've been lucky, but my luck continues. I wouldn't do anything. Just my 2cents
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It is not going to be run hard, it is a weekend warrior. Plus I just got the assembled (minus the heads) block, do not want to take it down. If that was what I was going to do I would have done it to the block I already had. If I keep the old block, maybe I will undertake those mods. I was thinking if I keep it (and someone has already asked for it-so if it goes, it goes) I would fix it, put some 2V heads on it and have it in pocket. But I am trying to keep costs down
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the pipe mod is bolt on.....
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You just spent a pile of money on an engine with a warranty.
DON"T void the warranty.
If you want to experiment, you have the old engine.
Dissect it, build it up, while enjoying your working car with it's new, working engine.
The above post should be read in a "Grumpy Old Man" voice.
Almost forgot: "Get off my lawn!!!"
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Indeed!
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for your old block, here's one to get you thinkin
 
 
just 1 of MANY on the external line, unfortunately the link in the thread is broken & i don't know where that info is hiding ATM http://www.network54.com/Forum/119419/thread/1230874934
 
 
usually you can find a kit on ebay, the line can be rubber or metal but remember it's engine oil / pressure over the life of the hose, I'd use steel braid minimum or form a hard line  http://www.ebay.com/itm/351-C-Cleveland-CJ-400-M-Oil-System-Modification-Kit-/250510413754?hash=item3a53958fba:m:m_iHnmK5C0GONw2OEd3M57w&vxp=mtr
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so what about this cam, any numbers ... brand, part number, grind number, specs?
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I'll let you know when I go see it.
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Car goes to shop tomorrow, lets hope for a better outcome.
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good luck, smoky burnout pics will be posted before ya know it
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Any update?
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He has the engine in, waiting for good weather to  pull it outside to start it up.
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ARRGGHHH! This car!!! This is what my mechanic e-mailed me:

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Bad news, I'm spinning the motor to get oil pressure prior to starting it up and these considerable oil leak at back of engine, it isn't coming from sending unit so it might be coming from the oil galley plugs.  I'll continue to look, what I'll have to do is pull the distributor and manually crank the oil pump and see what happens.  The engine hasn't run so it can't be from the oil pan or back of intake etc, there are just a couple places at the back of the motor that see's pressure, the oil galley plugs and fitting for oil pressure gauge."

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I really think someone is out to break you
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man i'm really sorry to hear of your troubles, it seems at times things can just pile on top of one another no matter how correctly you try to do things. My bet would be an oil galley plug, but he should have looked things over before he put the engine in. I hope he doesn't expect to charge you for extra labor, this one should be on his dime and the builder may have some responsibility in this as well IMO.
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