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This is the factory one,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-MERCURY-MONTEGO-FORD-TORINO-FACTORY-WIRING-DIAGRAMS-MANUAL-SCHEMATIC-SHEETS-/361774565035?hash=item543b71c6ab:g:DzkAAOSw9NdXr9A3&vxp=mtr
it's a bit cheaper but may not be in the best shape.

There are other ones for sale on Ebay right now, I searched specifically for 1972 Ford Torino, but I am sure there are other years available as well.

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those might be a great addition!
May have to look in to getting a complete set if I decide to start making these for people.
 
right now I just need a copy of someone's service manuals wiring diagrams.
 
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Color coded wires ordered last night.
 
4-5 manuals bought from E-Bay last night too.
Old Chilton's, a Haynes and a couple other old ones that looked interesting.
 
The wire connectors all seem to be from China.
So they will take a little time to get here.
looks like I can get 10, 12 and 14 pin water tight connector kits so I can have a couple extra ports to run multiple grounds and still have ports for O2 Sensor gages too.
 
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hey carl, just had a thought...instead of using masonite, after you get this prototype complete you could use HDPE plastic (polyethylene) it's just as easy to work with and will last better than masonite. i know a place online where you can buy it any size and thickness you need Wink
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Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

hey carl, just had a thought...instead of using masonite, after you get this prototype complete you could use HDPE plastic (polyethylene) it's just as easy to work with and will last better than masonite. i know a place online where you can buy it any size and thickness you need Wink
 
The Masonite prototype is being converted to steel or aluminum.
I have the angles and the measurements to make the bends in a brake.
I just have to iron out the top of it.
WANT it to be a single piece unit which means I need to do a little work on the top angle, length and shape where it screws in under the dash above the gages.
Metal will allow me to tack weld spacers, or a couple studs to use as mounting points for wire holders, grounds or even junction blocks for multiple wire hook ups.
 
A nice paint, fabric or even vinyl type covering will allow for total customization and/or color matching.
The metal will ensure it is SOLID not "breakable" for years to come. even repairable IF something should "happen" to it.
 
 
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A pile of pics... will come back and edit the info later.
 
 
 
New color coded wires...
 
 
Gages and LEDs
 
 
template and prototype/mock up dash
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Wiring...
 
 
 
Separate Tach, Ammeter and Clock wiring harness
 
8 pin connector only uses 6
 
14 pin Sport dash connector
Has 14 wires but my dash only uses 12, no Low Vacuum light or what we call the ECONOMY light.
 
I realized I have to order another wire color!
This double black wire feed is the POWER feed for gages!
I did not see the Green stripe when I first looked.
So when I was writing out my diagram I was confused.
Was like, wait a minute, WHERE are the gages getting their power feed!?
A 2nd look and DUH! The common wire to the gages was/is the power feed that sends through the gages then out to the senders that provide the ground.
WHY IN THE HELL would you run POWER through a BLACK WIRE!!??
And now I have to dig in to a wiring diagram and find where these TWO wires are being fed from?
and WHY 2 wires to a single point??
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Interesting project.  
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just ordered a 14 pin connector kit and the Black w/green stripe wire.
 
Now to start in on the work.
 
But first, tomorrow I pick up my Powder Coated HEADERS!
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Originally posted by Regul8r Regul8r wrote:

Realized I have to order another wire color!
This double black wire feed is the POWER feed for gages!
I did not see the Green stripe when I first looked.
So when I was writing out my diagram I was confused.
Was like, wait a minute, WHERE are the gages getting their power feed!?
A 2nd look and DUH! The common wire to the gages was/is the power feed that sends through the gages then out to the senders that provide the ground.
WHY IN THE HELL would you run POWER through a BLACK WIRE!!??
And now I have to dig in to a wiring diagram and find where these TWO wires are being fed from?
and WHY 2 wires to a single point??
On a 1973 Torino the "297" black wire with light green stripe and hash marking connects to the accessory fuse terminal on the main fuse box. It also connects to the accessory terminal in the keyed ignition switch in the steering column. It also connects to one terminal on the turn signal flasher, and the other terminal on the turn signal flasher is the "44" light blue wire that connects to the turn/emergency signal switch. The 297 black-light green-hash wire also connects to the windshield wiper/washer switch and the AM/FM radio switch. The 297 black-green-hash wire also connects to the oil pressure, water temperature and fuel gauges, sending units, switches and warning lamps.
 
The second wire (the plain black wire) that is connected to the same terminal on the instrument cluster connection plug as the 297 black-light green-hash wire, is called the number 48 wire. The person that has the wire diagram cannot find any place that the #48 wire is connected to in the wiring diagram. But if you can trace this #48 plain black wire to at least one accessory or electrical connection point, then he will try to find out more information about it, and he will try to find out where it connects to.


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The main fuse box is powered by the number 37 yellow wire (it is a main power wire) from the junction block on the firewall. From the junction block on the firewall, the number 37 yellow wire connects to the inner fender mounted starter solenoid. The inner fender mounted starter solenoid is connected to the battery.
 
I will take a guess and say that the number 48 plain black wire is connected to the "engine run" terminal in the keyed ignition switch on the steering column, so that all of the accessories listed above will operate when the ignition switch is in the engine run position.


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good stuff dave
 
I will be ordering a set of wiring schematics this week.
 
All the books I got are great and full of info but do not have the EXACT info I was looking for.
I kind of knew that before hand but, hey you can never have too many cool old Gran Torino books!
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I had heard someone say that the 1972 and 1973 torinos have a negative grounded tachometer. And the 1974, 1975 and 1976 torinos have a positive grounded tachometer.
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my understanding is that the early style is wired in series between the power source and the coil

then it changed to a signal type wiring, not sure when the break is possibly points / electronic?
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The 72 tach ( for sure ) is wired in series with the coil. Meaning the car won't start if the tach is disconnected. this makes an excellent place for a hidden kill switch. Wink
I don't know if or when Ford changed that.
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While it might be good for a kill switch but YOU are dead if the tach craps out! The 74 ranchero had the same thing and I changed it. So now if the tach stops I don't !  
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I wired in an inline fuse holder, so if mine quits all i have to do is insert a 30 amp fuse under the dash an go
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I am using an aftermarket tach which doesn't use that circuit. but I am using the circuit for the kill switch.
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the 76 will not start without the tach connected as well.
 
HOWEVER, I swapped in an HEI distributor and used the RED wire that powered the duraspark system and without using the green HEI Tach feed...my tach works!
It picks up through the power wire.
 
So when I do this new dash I will be bypassing/connecting/jumping that power feed at the dash tach connector and then using the green tach feed for the aftermarket gage.
 
 
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got MORE goodies in the mail today.
 
WIRING DIAGRAMS and other diagrams that came out of a Ford Shop Manual from back in the day!
 
So, now I have the tools and info I need!
 
 
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