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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote torinojon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-April-2018 at 2:57PM
i bet thats a 351 m truck clutch fork.the truck fork is 1" shorter then the torino 351 fork.thats why you need the spacer and the angle for the rod is off.i got both and it looks like the 351m truck fork.it might work but thats why you have to do what you have to do to make it work....

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I think so too.
I need to find a reasonably priced fork with the part number you shared. They jus seem to be few and far between, plus pricy.
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You the man torinojon.

Part is ordered. Thanks for help brother.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote torinojon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-April-2018 at 3:31AM
just so you no that is not me or do i have anything to do with that guy/part.....
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Ok. I still really appreciate the help. I was only able to find ones that were a few hundred dollars.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote torinojon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-April-2018 at 10:24AM
let me no when you get it in and do a side pic of it.ill tell you for shore what it is.the top looks like its what you needC8AA-B.ill try to do a pic of my lower rod that im doing on my cars.im using a hime-joint on the lower rod so theres no bushing and no metal on metal where it meets the lower z-bar arm..... 

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that heim joint is a damn good idea Big smile
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Todays profress. 4/4/18
Driveshaft/starter day. No pics though sorry.

Have my stock driveshaft with heavy duty u joints and yokes (31 spline I think). Then I have a diveshaft out of a 70's mustang, 28 spline and tiny yoke and u joints.
Took them to my drive shaft guy who, hopingly by Friday, will have a driveshaft for me to put in.
I also got an OEM type starter for a 70's mustang. Bolted it up and was praying to hear the car crank without any horrible grinding noises. Success, the car cranked smoothly. So I put the new spark plugs in and tried again. after a few cranks it started right up. But I quickly shut it off because I don't have my exhaust bolted up. So it was jus popping and spitting outta the manifold.
Also speedo cable came in today n hopefully tomorrow I'll get my left hand drive speedo gear set.
With to the FMX I had a 18t gear. Soooo I'm hoping an 18 tooth will be good for the toploader. If not I'll have a 17,19,20 to try.


T.J. you got it brother. When the fork gets here I'll take a pic of it.
C.J. I was thinking about doing that too when my correct fork gets here and everything lines up how it should be.
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Making great progress!!!
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Originally posted by Dmarc28 Dmarc28 wrote:

Todays profress. 4/4/18
hopefully tomorrow I'll get my left hand drive speedo gear set.


toploader speedo on the left / drivers side?
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The manual trans starter from a small block whether a 302/351c/351w will work. The speedo cable for a c6 automatic is the same as the 72-73 4spd Torino. The choice of speedo gears (both drive and driven) are different for the axle ratio you plan on using. I'm assuming you have a passenger side cable entry on your Trans, I believe there was a few drivers side cable manual trans that ford had...In what models I don't recall. I wouldn't have welded the spring steel clip that retains the arm to the bell housing but that's just my opinion.
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Tighten it down until it snaps and then back it off a half turn!
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Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

Originally posted by Dmarc28 Dmarc28 wrote:

Todays profress. 4/4/18
hopefully tomorrow I'll get my left hand drive speedo gear set.


toploader speedo on the left / drivers side?


No my speedo input is on the passenger side. I spent a few houses last night looking the gears up. While making sure I got the correct "drive".
I figured left hand drive was having the input on the driver side but that was not the case with all of the things I found.
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Originally posted by 75GranMan 75GranMan wrote:

The manual trans starter from a small block whether a 302/351c/351w will work. The speedo cable for a c6 automatic is the same as the 72-73 4spd Torino. The choice of speedo gears (both drive and driven) are different for the axle ratio you plan on using. I'm assuming you have a passenger side cable entry on your Trans, I believe there was a few drivers side cable manual trans that ford had...In what models I don't recall. I wouldn't have welded the spring steel clip that retains the arm to the bell housing but that's just my opinion.

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I think I had found a write up either here or on some vintage mustang forum in which they provided me with the same starter info. So talked to my parts guy and stressed that I needed a starter for a manual. Got one and it worked like a charm.

Yeah my speedo input is on the passenger side. The new cable I received is for a manual transmission. The gear set I ordered should be here Friday.

....go with me on this, as far as choosing a speedo cable gear....

I'm not changing anything except the transmission. My toploader has the black 7t drive gear. Now if my stock fmx has/had the same drive gear with an 18t driven gear, would I be able to use a 18t left hand drive gear in my toploader?

Outta curiosity why wouldn't you have welded the clip to the fork?

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i believe the passenger side speedo is an opposite rotation gear??? but if you count the gear teeth on the original trans and your 4 sp if they are the same you should be able to use the same tooth count for the new gear...assuming the speedo was reading correct before? but may be a good place to start...
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Aight CJ, I'm going to check it out. Then make sure I can use to the same number of teeth with the correct passenger side toploader speedo gear.
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yeah when i swapped from an FMX to an AOD  one had a 8T gear machined into the output shaft the other had a 7T to get the ratio correct i needed a 14T driven gear which they don't make!!! so i ended up going with a ratio adapter and a new custom cable Confused but it worked Wink
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Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

yeah when i swapped from an FMX to an AOD  one had a 8T gear machined into the output shaft the other had a 7T to get the ratio correct i needed a 14T driven gear which they don't make!!! so i ended up going with a ratio adapter and a new custom cable Confused but it worked Wink


Dang, lotta work?

After doing this swap I'm so amazed at how much stuff I didn't have and needed to get. You don't know what you don't know. Know what I mean?

Being an adolescent when my pops did it I always thought it was going to be get pedals, tranny, linkage and put it in. I think that's because he had a direct swap. He did it in a weekend.
I been at it for a month it so haha, obviously soooooo not the case for me.
But I definitely have a lot more respect for people who are able and capable to do it on their own.
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driven gear being the same will depend upon if the output shaft tooth count for each trans is the same, i know in C6's there are 3 different output shaft tooth counts and 1 of them is impossible to correct to car use because there's no driven gear made with that many teeth

not 100% sure but IIRC there's at least 2 output shaft tooth counts for FMX
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Thanks Rockatansky. My output shaft on the FMX was 31 spline I think. But the toploader is a 28 spline.

Now for the update and todays progress 4/5/18.

With drive shaft at the shop I decided to work on getting the interior back together.
N I do not know why to the pics are upside down.


I had to put the hump over the carpet because there was not enough carpet for it to go over the hump.
That carpet is hella old too. Got it for my 17th birthday, haha.




I then got a call from the driveshaft shop. The custom shaft was ready.so I took my happy ass down there and picked it up.
Got home and put the dash cluster in so I could make sure to reroute the speedo cable.
Then while I was doing that UPS guy came with a delivery.

My speedo gears!😊.

So with that I hooked up the driveshaft, rerouted the cable, picked the 19tooth gear and put it in. Topped off the gear oil in the trans. Hooked up the exhaust and started her up.

Ran amazingly, went through some shifts and then decided to drop it down and take it for a test drive.

So that's what I did.
Took it off the stands and drive it to the gas station, my gas level isn't reading, n then cruised it around the block. Then I had my sis get in use some speedometer app to see if my reading is accurate. It was within 2/3 mph. It's coo, I drive slow anyways.


So for now I am finished. Tomorrow is clean day, haha.
Thanks for all your guys insight and help.
Next big thing I'm going to tackle is a disk break conversation. But that won't be for a while.

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