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Originally posted by unlovedford unlovedford wrote:

There are some variables on these cars. I swapped a '96-'98 Grand Cherokee Saginaw box into my Squire wagon. Direct fit, output shaft was indexed every 90 degrees so I just repositioned my arm. Input shaft coupling was one I had in my garage, fit perfectly. VAST difference in the feel and would be even better with a plastic pump, as the discharge hole in the plastic pump is larger (more firm feel).

Others have said that the holes in their frames don't match up to that box or the coupling would not work. I plan on doing the exact same swap on my red wagon this month using a GC box and the plastic pump (eliminating that awful manual steering) when I do my other mods. Hopefully it will bolt on as easily as the other did. I will make a thread and show pictures as I go, if that will help. Somewhere on here is a thread where I showed the similarities in the Saginaw and Jeep boxes and the regular Ford box - perhaps someone can find it?


Post some pics of your JGC steering box installed, I'm interested for sure. The mounting bolt locations differ from a Ford/Mercury intermediate, at least for my application anyway. This is a pic of a '94 Jeep Grand Cherokee Saginaw steering box.


Here is a pic of a mid to late 70's Ford Ranchero Saginaw steering box, notice the differences in mounting bolt locations.
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I know if the JGC box was a direct bolt-in for my application, I would not have went to the trouble of swapping parts. Todd
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Originally posted by Eliteman76 Eliteman76 wrote:

Todd, is there a buildup on the use of Jeep internals on your box?
I was also digging around and came across a guy off the 460forum, and he was on Supermotors, and mentioning a mod on his from upper arms to get rid of some unwanted issues our suspension design suffers from.

What about the hoses? Assuming the Lares uses different hoses?


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Sorry, I have no write-up or pics of the swapping of parts. I just picked up another JGC steering box to swap the internals to a box I originally removed from my Ranchero to save if the other swap didn't work out. It WILL get the JGC internals, it makes that much of a difference. I will take a bunch of pics, but it will be a while before I get a chance to work on the boxes. When I swapped the internals I kept the original input rotary valve to keep the input shaft spline to steering coupler the same. I changed the rack, the worm gear and the ball bearings, I used a rebuild kit designed for a '79 Ranchero gear box, everything went together correctly with no machine work. The JGC has the same degrees of output shaft rotation so the internal stops from the Ford/Saginaw box works correctly(a Camaro/Firebird/Monte Carlo quick ratio box has less degrees of output shaft rotation which equals a larger turning radius=not good). It was a pretty straight-forward operation, messing with the ball bearing was the worst part. Todd

Edited by aquartlow - 01-May-2014 at 11:45AM
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you guys ready for this, hold on to something...

the Cherokee off road guys swap out their Jeep box & use a Dodge

a guy I worked with told me the Dodge box is stronger

does the interchange reach all the way back to Ford intermediates... IDK

here's a forum post that came up in a quick search

http://www.cherokeeforum.com/f51/durango-steering-box-swap-simplified-184573/

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I don't know what year Torino box you have pictured, but it is not like the ones I used. If you search under this section for Cherokee Box, I included pictures of a '74 Torino Saginaw box, '72 Ford box, '96 GC box, and a '98 GC box. The '74 Torino has an extra mounting boss you need not use (4). I pulled these off ZJ Jeeps I was parting out. The one on my brown wagon works great. Front steer or rear steer makes no difference, as the output shaft is indexed every 90 degrees, so you just flip the direction.

I will make detailed pictures of the swap on my red wagon when I do it next month.

Edited by unlovedford - 01-May-2014 at 3:03PM
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I was getting ready to just pop for the 841 lares box. I have the '71 boss mustang box I got from Paul a while back, but it's a leaker and I'm just debating about things. Figure just go with a reman box.

I have a local rebuilder here I am going to deal with, I have a stack of four ford boxes I was going to give him just so they could revoker parts if they needed them.

I don't see rebuilding a box that big a deal but I'm in the mindset I'll let a shop do it as they have the know-how and I like steering my car lol.

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Didn't mean to confuse anyone on the gear box alternatives. It is just what worked for me. The heavy duty forum replacement box for a ZJ is a Dodge Durango box. However, it is physically larger - probably prohibitively so. XJ and ZJ Jeeps have plenty of room in that area, so not a big deal.
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Originally posted by unlovedford unlovedford wrote:

I don't know what year Torino box you have pictured, but it is not like the ones I used. If you search under this section for Cherokee Box, I included pictures of a '74 Torino Saginaw box, '72 Ford box, '96 GC box, and a '98 GC box. The '74 Torino has an extra mounting boss you need not use (4). I pulled these off ZJ Jeeps I was parting out. The one on my brown wagon works great. Front steer or rear steer makes no difference, as the output shaft is indexed every 90 degrees, so you just flip the direction.

I will make detailed pictures of the swap on my red wagon when I do it next month.


Here are a couple of pics of the steering boxes I have on hand and will use for the quick ratio internals swap, one of a Jeep Grand Cherokee and one of a '79 Ranchero steering box, both built by Saginaw.
Here is the JGC steering gear.


Here is the Ranchero gearbox.


These pics show the different mounting bolt locations, not sure when Ford changed this(one of Ford's "better ideas" I guess). The Ranchero gearbox was removed when I installed the quick ratio rebuilt gearbox, so I know it fits correctly. I hope I haven't added any confusion to this topic. Todd
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