The Ford Torino Page Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Model Specific Forum > Other
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Engines...how loyal are you?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Engines...how loyal are you?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>
Poll Question: How Ford does your Ford have to be?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
1 [1.56%]
8 [12.50%]
38 [59.38%]
10 [15.63%]
7 [10.94%]
0 [0.00%]
You can not vote in this poll

Author
Message
72 RS 351 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 04-September-2014
Location: Knoxville TN
Status: Offline
Points: 617
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 72 RS 351 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-November-2014 at 6:50AM
Avoid the A4LD transmission, it's very weak. That was a 4cyl trans for mid 80's T'birds, converted with electronics to work in a 4500lbs SUV, ending up going off-roading or towing no less.

The 2.3 turbo Ford is kind of forgotten, and that was a Mustang SVO and Turbo Coupe which was quicker than the 302 Mustang of the same models. Those pre 90's cars are early technology and old wiring is not good to begin with, but the concepts were good.
Don

73 Ranchero with a 72 Sport front end, parked since 1990
91 Lincoln Mark VII SE, OBDII 347/4R70W
98 Mercury Mountaineer
Back to Top
californiajohnny View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 05-October-2013
Location: winlock, wa
Status: Online
Points: 8439
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote californiajohnny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-November-2014 at 7:14AM
Originally posted by Billy C Billy C wrote:

I was one of the people who voted "anything in anything" because there are some sweet builds out there with extremely knowledgeable owners who have perfectly legit reasons to mix it up a bit. To write off those builds purely because of the crossbreed setup would be ignorant. I'd be much quicker to loose interest in a build that has an owner who doesn't know the intricacies of the wiring harness, cam specs, gear ratios, or chassis setup. The muscle car world seems much less accepting of the manufacture mix-ups compared to the other genres of car enthusiasts. The driving factor of this seems to be the same thing that drives die-hard sports fans. I respect this kind of manufacturer competition and recognize that it has birthed things like the GT500, GT40, Hellcat, Viper, Z06, and Z28. I proudly take part in the Mustang vs. Camaro debate among my friends fueled by a nights supply of cold beers. I'm also proud to say those same debates usually evolve into radical build concepts involving crazy drive-train swaps between manufactures. I can't imagine how many of the same exciting conversations between the engineers at "company A" about "company B" led to the development of a new idea evolved from some of "company B's" technology. All internal engine concepts are just products of steady evolution from generation to generation between all manufactures. Because of my appreciation for this progression in technology I would never call myself a "Ford" or "Honda" guy, just simply a "car" guy.

^^^ yeah bryan!! what he said!!!!
JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION
Back to Top
occupant View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 23-October-2006
Location: Columbus, OH
Status: Offline
Points: 1969
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote occupant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-November-2014 at 3:31PM
Originally posted by 72 RS 351 72 RS 351 wrote:

Avoid the A4LD transmission, it's very weak. That was a 4cyl trans for mid 80's T'birds, converted with electronics to work in a 4500lbs SUV, ending up going off-roading or towing no less.

The 2.3 turbo Ford is kind of forgotten, and that was a Mustang SVO and Turbo Coupe which was quicker than the 302 Mustang of the same models. Those pre 90's cars are early technology and old wiring is not good to begin with, but the concepts were good.


A 1968-1969 Ranchero with a V8 weighs only about 100lbs more than a mid-80s Thunderbird with the 3.8L V6. I don't see a problem there. The 3.0L engine will probably be 100lbs lighter than a Ford V8 if not even more so. I had an A4LD in an Aerostar, it was the first thing I fixed on it when it puked its guts out on I-35 south of Waco. They can be rebuilt decently. If you could mount an AOD to a Vulcan V6 I'd do it. The later 4R55 and 5R55 transmissions are the same design and depending on the year of Vulcan engine I'd use, it might have one of those instead. I think the last year for the Vulcan in the Ranger was 2008 and the updated #R## transmissions started around 1995 or so.

Actually as far as the 2.3 engines go, I meant a 2.3 Duratec engine, used in Ford Rangers and Mazda B2300 pickups from 2001 to 2011. Not the old Lima four. It's technically a rebadged Mazda engine, but oh well. Quad4Rods sells an adapter to run a T-5 behind the FWD versions (think Focus, Fusion, Mazda3, Mazda6, others) if I can't find a truck model. Again, a 1968-1969 Fairlane with a 302 V8 is under 3300lbs and the 2011 Rangers (the last year) weighed between 3030lbs and 3189lbs when equipped with the 4-cylinder. I'd be real happy if the Fairlane could match the 2011 Ranger EPA ratings of 22 city 27 highway. Geared right probably more than that.

Edited by occupant - 23-November-2014 at 3:36PM
Back to Top
Psquare75 View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar
Member of the Stroker Club

Joined: 26-November-2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 4587
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psquare75 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-November-2014 at 4:46AM
This is where I'm going with my Cougar, if the cards play right

use an 11+ Fseries engine. Through a stick they are around 350whp with no engine work.

I know a few fox body guys locally putting down almost 30 MPG with one. They are just mad that they spent so much $ playing with 302s when a Coyote is light years ahead of them.


Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500
Back to Top
unlovedford View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 17-December-2010
Location: Tennessee
Status: Offline
Points: 9573
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote unlovedford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-November-2014 at 7:44AM
I would absolutely consider a Coyote swap if there was an easy kit and the parts weren't so astronomical. $6K for an engine, $2K for a transmission, more for wiring, mounts, driveshaft, electronics, etc. With as many projects as I have, money is a strong consideration for each and every step. Before you know it, you have $10K in parts or a donor vehicle. Just about my budget for 3 of my cars, LOL.

There were several times I considered a stroker 4.0 Jeep drivetrain for the red wagon. Plenty of power, loads of torque, and I had everything except the mounts. Still a straight six, but EFI, AOD, and a great look. The little boy in me stopped that plan - I wanted to hear the car rumble, and wanted a 5 speed transmission. All of that I have as well, so it became just a visceral preference.
Joe
1972 GTSquire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous
Popeye and Brutus (Rams)
Back to Top
Big Bird View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 25-August-2013
Location: New York
Status: Offline
Points: 3143
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Bird Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-November-2014 at 11:52AM
I spent/wasted and generally enjoyed an immense amount of time trying to figure out putting an EFI 300 and 5-speed manual transmission from a 91 F150 into my T-Bird. If it would have fit under the hood, it would be in there now. Intake goes over the top of the valve covers on an engine already taller than a 460.
Front sump on these cars rules out a 4.2 swap (pity, I liked the 4.2 in my 02 F150).
The above post should be read in a "Grumpy Old Man" voice.
Almost forgot: "Get off my lawn!!!"
Randy
1979 T-Bird
2006 GMC Sierra
Back to Top
MonteCobra View Drop Down
Member
Member


Joined: 24-October-2014
Location: Ontario
Status: Offline
Points: 77
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MonteCobra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-November-2014 at 12:33PM
Anything in anything, if i have a choice i'd keep things brand specific, but i was down on cash, out of work, and wanted to keep my hobby alive, i'd stick a ford in a chevy, and a chrysler in a ford if thats what it took to keep a smile on my face.
Back to Top
antlerfiend View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 14-June-2010
Location: Louisville,KY
Status: Offline
Points: 3020
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote antlerfiend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-November-2014 at 1:12PM
Don't know anything about any other engine. So it would be Ford for me. Other than that, I am Blue Oval til the day I die! I would much rather worship the Devil than switch.
Alex
72 GTS (Morgan's Baby)
68 CJ Drag Car Clone
65 Mustang (first car)
77 LTD II (Drag Car)
78 Mustang II V6 4 speed
Back to Top
aquartlow View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 19-December-2011
Location: Summerfield, Fl
Status: Offline
Points: 1645
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aquartlow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-November-2014 at 2:46PM
I am also a true-blue Ford guy and would never put or run anything but a Ford engine in a Ford.........until I go out to my Superduty, lift the hood to find an International-built diesel Embarrassed sitting between the frame rails.
www.supermotors.net/22468
Yeah, It's a Hybrid...It burns gas and tires.

No matter how good she looks, somebody, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t.

Beauty is skin deep, ugliness goes clear to the bone.
Back to Top
Nuggets View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 07-November-2014
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 864
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nuggets Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-March-2015 at 10:47AM
Just seen this thread, in my opinion if it fits it fits......

I'm putting a 440 into my 73 and as a landrover owner I've stuck stupid engines into things before, 350, 454, Essex, 215 Buick all fit into the engine bay of an old LR with the right modifications and transmissions

Nothing wrong with putting a better engine into a car

The 440 has a better rod angle, better block durability, more power potential and sounds better! Yes it may not get 351c mileage but its a tradeoff I'm willing to make and will always be happy to make. 

If the positives outweigh the negatives then theres no reason not to........
Back to Top
californiajohnny View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 05-October-2013
Location: winlock, wa
Status: Online
Points: 8439
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote californiajohnny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-March-2015 at 1:52PM
didn't the newer rover have 215's in them?
JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION
Back to Top
Nuggets View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 07-November-2014
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 864
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nuggets Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-March-2015 at 6:54PM
They did but that started in the late 70s, keepin mind I drive one from1957
Back to Top
pdw72 View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: 02-November-2013
Location: MN
Status: Offline
Points: 80
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pdw72 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-March-2015 at 2:31AM
My '72 Ranchero is getting a '94 4.6l and aod-e as well as the front suspension upgrade to boot. 

Nothing burns me more than a sbc in anything other than GM cars, just because it seems to be the "go to engine" for street rodders. 

Paul Welch
'72 Ranchero 500/'94 4.6L swap project
Back to Top
Gran Torino LS View Drop Down
New Member
New Member
Avatar

Joined: 26-March-2015
Location: Hungary
Status: Offline
Points: 29
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gran Torino LS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-March-2015 at 7:08AM
Here is a LS2 swap from Hungary, Europe.  Maybe like, maybe not but it's working. A great daily driver.

Viktor


Save the V8 monsters!

Back to Top
Nuggets View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 07-November-2014
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 864
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nuggets Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-March-2015 at 7:32AM
I wish I had the space to do a frame off :(
Back to Top
IndyLTD I I View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: 01-March-2015
Location: Shelbyville, IN
Status: Offline
Points: 50
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IndyLTD I I Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-March-2015 at 9:15AM
Originally posted by pdw72 pdw72 wrote:

Nothing burns me more than a sbc in anything other than GM cars, just because it seems to be the "go to engine" for street rodders. 


I'm the same way. You can swap anything into anything and it doesn't bother me, unless it's a small block Chevy. Anybody can do a Chevy swap, get creative, be unique, those are the kind of cross platform swaps I like. I originally started with the intermediate Fords, because my high school parking lot was full of Novas and Chevelles. Everybody was running 350s, I wanted to be different.
Lee
1978 LTD II S
Back to Top
GranTorinslo View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: 09-June-2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 51
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GranTorinslo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-June-2015 at 5:41PM
I voted anything in anything, but I couldn't do a Chevy in Ford or vice versa for anything postwar.
 
My wild n crazy build (given the funds) would be a Ford V10 go for 600hp, slap a 6 speed behind it, and toss it in a MkIII, a 72 GTS, or a 70/71 Torino convertible.
 
Would love to see the newest Ford ecoboost 4 (Stang) in an SVO clone build, or the ecoboost TTV6 (SHO, MKZ, explorer and everything else) in an older (brit powered) capri/escort or a Maverick, etc. Heck put one in a First gen SHO, take that motor (Yamaha DOHC) and throw it in a small older ford. Seen one of those in a GT40 clone.
 
Could also take the turbo 6 and show people why they don't put em in mustangs (add a tuner and beat the pants off v8s), that is assuming the 3.7 mustang isn't turbo, the Ford website doesn't say and the Ti in the motor designation stands for stuff on the VTECH.
 
You all are tempting me to try the 440 swap...though if I did it I'd want to do a manual conversion so the fact I have the motor doesn't help much. Question for me is do it in the 72 or 73 (both sadly aren't fastbacks)
Back to Top
Nuggets View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 07-November-2014
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 864
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nuggets Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-June-2015 at 8:24PM
My soon to be turbo 440 is now a manual, just waiting on the flywheel and bellhousing bearing convertor, using the original A833 4 speed instead of a 727. Means if I keep the current 3:1 rear end then I'll have a nice cruising rpm and still be ok off the line with the low first gear

All this said I would like to fit a hemi eventually.........if funds ever allow!


Barnaby

429 powered 73 Stripper.....no comfort, just noise!
Back to Top
Nuggets View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 07-November-2014
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 864
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nuggets Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-June-2015 at 8:25PM
Oh mines a formal btw, would have loved a fastback but the formal is hard enough to find in the uk
Barnaby

429 powered 73 Stripper.....no comfort, just noise!
Back to Top
Dan the ranchero man View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 24-July-2011
Location: Mchenry,IL
Status: Offline
Points: 1049
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dan the ranchero man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-July-2015 at 2:57PM
I like the engine to be period correct BUT the engine set up can be modern. (I.E. 460 with EFI aftermarket type unit)
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.10
Copyright ©2001-2017 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.063 seconds.