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Dmarc28
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These pictures, sorry for not getting them right side up, are of my trans swap I'm doing on my 74 ranchero from fmx to 4 speed. I'm running a 351c 2v and a small block toploader with a Lakewood safety bellhousing and McLeod dual twin disk clutch set up. The flywheel and clutch set up, throwout bearing, and clutch fork I all got from McLeod.I mocked up everything and it looks like the small block Ford clutch fork I have is too short and not long enough. As you can see the bottom of the z-bar is about 2 inches away from the end of the fork. In the bellhousing I was going to use the "further" clutch fork mounting area to mount the fork buuuuut then it would have moved the throwout bearing completely off center and there would have been no way to get the input shaft of the trans where it needed to be. |
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Rockatansky
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looks like it might be for a Mustang II body?
there are different overall length forks for various applications, from Ford as stock anyway |
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Dmarc28
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Thanks for the reply brother.
I have no ideal if it would fit that model of car. I asked my dude at McLeod for a small block Ford clutch fork. so if the mustang II ran a small block it could very possibly fit that application. If that's the case I have zero idea what fork to use. |
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Tell the McLeod people you have a 74 Ranchero with a 351Cleveland and see what they say? Just saying small block is way too generic.
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Thanks. I'm going yo do jus that.
I'm getting ready to pull the trans, so I can get the fork be and go down there. Luckily I'm only ten minutes away from them. Thanks, since I've never done this swap,stupid me not doing my research, thought saying SBF woulda been good enough to get the correct fork. |
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tell them 73, no manuals in 74 behind the 351c |
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torinojon
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the correct part number for the fork you need is C8AA-7515-B.its the same as 1971-73 sb ford mustang...
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Dmarc28
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Thanks fellas. I went down the McLeod, they had nothing for me. The fork I did have was for a small body car. Obviously I need one for a full size car. Thanks for the part number I'll see if I can find one for sale.
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Rockatansky
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i'd be surprised if the big body Mustang fork is the same part number call-out for Torino/Ranchero
it may be close enough to work but the stock Ford forks some of them are very close but different in length and may have different style pockets for the adjuster rods Edited by Rockatansky - 30-March-2018 at 8:02AM |
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72GTS351CJ
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Sorry if this sounds crazy....Are you close to Anaheim? Is Scott your father? (Long shot)
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Dmarc28
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Yes, who's this?
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Does that explain it?
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Dmarc28
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That it does, the insperation for what I'm doing, haha. Miss that ride, but I know you're treating her well. You the man Rick.
Edited by Dmarc28 - 30-March-2018 at 12:42PM |
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Yeah I don't think the big body Stang is the same part number as the torino or ranchero.
I found after doing some research last night the full body cars like the galaxie used the same style and part number of fork as the late model(70/1?-74) ranchero or torinos. |
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David. You should go on the welcome mat and introduce yourself then start a project thread. You have a great story to tell
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torinojon
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im glade i can help....FORD MPC BOOKS RULE...
Edited by torinojon - 31-March-2018 at 4:42AM |
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Dmarc28
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Thanks torinojon.
I appreciate all the knowledge all of you guys are imparting on me. I only know a little bit about a little bit. I know that if I have any questions I can count on you guys for insight and help. |
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i was wondering how you mounted the frame pivot?
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Rockatansky
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here's what i came up with for an auto to manual frame pivot mount
http://forum.grantorinosport.org/rockatanskys-72-ranchero_topic5563_page3.html |
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i did it to my 1973 montego wagon i was gonna make a 4 speed car but never did it.im leaving it a auto.i put the factory riv-nut in the frame for the frame pivot.......
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Dmarc28
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I see. My dad got all if his conversation parts from a 73 Montego. Pedsls, linkage, trans, bellhousing everything. IMO he was way luckier then me having to peicemeal it together.
I had been picking my dad's brain since he's already done this conversation albeit 20 years ago. He said his frame mount bracket jus bolted up. Rick, if you have pics of it that'd be coo. Im curious as to how my pops really did it. On mine I had the 2 holes in the top of the frame. But no punched holes, like my pops said should be there. I drilled holes in the bottom of the boxed frame. Then I used a socket and rachets to bolt the mount to the frame. Used flat washers, lock washers and lock nuts. |
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I just jacked up the car too look. Tough to see but he is correct. It looks like 2-9/16 or 5/8 bolts
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Hope that helps
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Dmarc28
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Thats crazy are there any other holes aside from the 2 on the top?
This is how I did mine. |
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No holes in the bottom of the frame. I would have to say he just threaded the bolts in. Was your car available in a 4spd? Maybe there was no provision for that bracket
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I'm not sure if it was available in a 4 speed or not. The frame did have the holes in the top for the frame z-bar mount. My dad said there should be a factory dimple on the trans tunnel like there was for the clutch pushrod, but I couldn't see anything.
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Here's a pic in the 72 ford shop manual showing the comet and maverick with a nut and bolt holding the z bar bracket
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Montego and Torino clearly only a bolt. It's safe to say you had no choice drilling the bottom of the frame to install the nuts. I just don't know why. I believe the ranchero gt came with a 4spd. You would think all frames would have the provision to mount the bracket
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