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    Posted: 19-March-2019 at 8:52AM
Hi, quick question
i have a Holley strip dominator intake, but cant find any good spread carbs.
can i use a square bore carb with out any issues?
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isn't the holley intake a square bore mount?
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the 351C Holley Strip Dominator has a special carb pad to allow the use of the original 4300-D carb,

but it also suits the standard Holley 4150/4160 square bore pattern Thumbs Up

what's your power level, what's the rest of the combo?









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It’s a mild build engine, built by the previous owner, car had a Torker, sweet so I can use any square bore carb?

I was hoping to find a blue thunder with no heat riser, but no luck, had this sitting in my garage.
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judging from the dirt marks on it from the gasket area you should be fine to use a square bore carb
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Yeah if you're not pushing at least a near max effort drag combo the Strip Dominator will be a negative to the combo rather than a plus. low and mid range drivability will suffer badly. the Torker is no joke either, it doesn't get out of bed before 3500 rpm and likes a lot of stall and plenty of gear for breakfast. between the 2 of them, the Strip Dommy and the Torker they are the #1 & #2 top of the heap racing intakes from back in the day, and not much has changed in the US since then. the Aussies have gone a slightly different route with their 3V porting but unfortunately their is no standard port location between manufacturers. some are compatible with 4V ports and some are raised higher then the 4V port roof. here's a pic of a Parker Fynnelweb and how it meets the 4V port opening



it can be run as shown above (creates a nice anti-reversion step) or with the port floor filled with an alloy cast 'tongue' or epoxy. epoxy is still used for installing the tongues, and a small bolt is run up from the bottom to help secure it. the reduced cross section 3V port helps tame the 'single plane 4V blues' w/o hurting performance at all, usually improving it


how mild is your combo? don't underestimate the Edelbrock Performers!

all Performer intakes use smaller than head opening port runners to improve intake tract velocity, the Airgap IIRC is standard 2V size but the flange is large enough to seal on a 4V head and the intake really delivers. they did their homework developing the Airgap for sure

FWIW i'll never curse myself putting a Torker on a mild build again, certainly not a Strip Dominator if i ever have one. i'm almost tempted to trade you my Bluethunder but i have no use for it, i have a D1ZX-FA intake and a 750 Dominator carb i may never use already. back in the day on my 1st or 2nd Torino i went through all the steps upgrading my Cleveland from 2V to a 4V headed dual quad tunnel ram for daily street use. i had the most fun driving it when it was a 2V headed stock 2150 2bbl and Comp 268H cam. cast iron log manifolds and glasspacks, stock converter and 2.75 gears. coulda used a little more gear but not much, 3.25's would've plenty. so anyway a 2400 stall and 4.10 gears was not enough for the Torker to enjoy life, it wanted more stall ... then it would've wanted more gear i'm sure. they're Honey Badger race manifolds, they DGAS what goes on below 4k rpm

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but yeah any* square bore carb

*as long as it seals on the carb pad, or use a flat steel plate to provide sealing surface and a proper gasket
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the 72 GTS is a 4 speed and has a 3:50 gears. 
does your blue thunder have the heat riser?
i also have a boss inatke but its not square bore so cant used it 
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Is the blue thunder better then the RPM air gap?
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you have enough value in manifolds to sell off and go any direction you like subject to availability. my BT is NIB, i forget if it has carb heat or not? i wouldn't be surprised at all if the Airgap bested the Bluethunder from idle through mid-range and kept up at the top. no personal experience just from what i gather from actual users.

simple modification at risk of destroying collector value you could run a cutter down into the secondary throttle bores to allow the use of a square bore carb. DeTomaso did this with their stock iron spreadbore intakes, or remove the material between each primary and secondary throttle bore leaving the plenum divided in the center. add the notch in the divider for mid-top end enhancement. the result would be the similar to the spreadbore Strip Dominator plenum but with a 2 plane plenum divider like the Bluethunder. the open notched divider will be the best for performance Wink then radius the bottom 90* especially on the high/short side for happy flow Clap

see the squarebore cuts front/center of the secondaries?








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i just remembered i have a 4300-D Offy Dual Port that has had the same (almost) treatment. somebody did the 4150 square bore clearancing but left the divider intact the opposite direction to preserve the Dual Port function of the plenum, with the primaries and secondaries both notched for improved flow. a little rough but who can see through a carburetor? intake came with a dis-assembled motor i picked up locally









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Oh I see, I want to use a Square bore carb, so might just order and rpm air gap at half the price, just hate that the ports are for 2v heads!
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if you plan on using an edlebrock/carter style carb,make you use the square adapter plate,it caused a vacuum leak on mine when I used it on the "street dominator" version.
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So ... cal, you didn't like the Torker?

why?

if the $ is no issue i'd grab up an Airgap or even a std Performer and give it a go. here's the beauty of the 351C, you can grease the gaskets, use RTV on the china walls and swap intakes at will until you decide what's right for you. no coolant to deal with, and leave the dizzy in place Thumbs Up




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FWIW i tried an Offy Port-O-Sonic for a bit, it seemed a lot more streetable than the Torker but still single plane, and i had a 10" converter and 4.10's so IDK?

a good 2 plane will carry to 6500 rpm w/ no low end issues.






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there were a couple guys on a 71-73 mustang forum that did the rpm vs BT intake challenge and it was BT all the way.
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and there is a proper adapter plate to convert 4300-D spreadbore to square flange ...

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/trd-2199





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Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

So ... cal, you didn't like the Torker?

why?

if the $ is no issue i'd grab up an Airgap or even a std Performer and give it a go. here's the beauty of the 351C, you can grease the gaskets, use RTV on the china walls and swap intakes at will until you decide what's right for you. no coolant to deal with, and leave the dizzy in place Thumbs Up


torker has a crack on it arround one of the bolts. 
that is the good part of the 351C easy intake swapSmile!
do you used the felpro metal pan gasket? or just the 4 piece? 
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Originally posted by MrSmog MrSmog wrote:

there were a couple guys on a 71-73 mustang forum that did the rpm vs BT intake challenge and it was BT all the way.
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Originally posted by The Torino Kid The Torino Kid wrote:

if you plan on using an edlebrock/carter style carb,make you use the square adapter plate,it caused a vacuum leak on mine when I used it on the "street dominator" version.

the plate caused a leak?
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Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

and there is a proper adapter plate to convert 4300-D spreadbore to square flange ...

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/trd-2199






sweet any leaking issues?
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do you used the felpro metal pan gasket? or just the 4 piece? 


neither, kinda. i don't trust the metal pan to seal, and they rust through fairly quickly. the last 2 i removed had some pinholes. probably a side effect of having the GT scoops open and getting wet but not impressed none the less.

the included end seals for the 'china walls' are a disaster waiting to happen. throw them as far as you can, especially if the cat is watching.

he'll enjoy them for years to come and he knows they are the enemy!



i like the cheap Mr Garbage paper/composition whatever they claim them to be made of w/o the silicone gasket sliders on them. another disaster waiting to happen. silicone beads are fine for intakes that have flat mating surfaces like the 4.6 / 5.4 mod motors but angled surfaces not so much



just old school simple like the engine itself. clean the china walls oil free and use RTV beads to replace the cork or rubber "out of here as soon as you turn around" POS's

i wonder when the next batch of BT's will pop, seems like i saw a Mustang Parts Palace had them listed available? i paid ~ $500 for mine several years ago

http://www.mustangsunlimited.com/Mustang/Air-Fuel/Intake-Manifolds/351C-390-427-428/Blue-Thunder-Intake-Manifold-Dual-Plane-351C-4V.axd





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i almost forgot the Scott Cook / SCM Engine Developments 'factory appearing' intake manifold

http://www.scmenginedevelopments.com/manifolds.html

it's actually 3V internally similar to the Funnelweb i posted above but obviously in a 2 plane design, and everybody says it Rocks just fine or better than the full dimension stock sized 4V port intake. don't forget to convert Au$ to US. tricky tricky






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Originally posted by SocalTorino SocalTorino wrote:

Originally posted by MrSmog MrSmog wrote:

there were a couple guys on a 71-73 mustang forum that did the rpm vs BT intake challenge and it was BT all the way.
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leaning towards the blue thunder 


yea same here when i put a serious motor together for my fastback. for now i am just gonna run the 70/71 style square bore cast iron intake ported out so i can run the 750 holley.
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Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

Originally posted by SocalTorino SocalTorino wrote:

do you used the felpro metal pan gasket? or just the 4 piece? 


neither, kinda. i don't trust the metal pan to seal, and they rust through fairly quickly. the last 2 i removed had some pinholes. probably a side effect of having the GT scoops open and getting wet but not impressed none the less.

the included end seals for the 'china walls' are a disaster waiting to happen. throw them as far as you can, especially if the cat is watching.

he'll enjoy them for years to come and he knows they are the enemy!



i like the cheap Mr Garbage paper/composition whatever they claim them to be made of w/o the silicone gasket sliders on them. another disaster waiting to happen. silicone beads are fine for intakes that have flat mating surfaces like the 4.6 / 5.4 mod motors but angled surfaces not so much



just old school simple like the engine itself. clean the china walls oil free and use RTV beads to replace the cork or rubber "out of here as soon as you turn around" POS's

i wonder when the next batch of BT's will pop, seems like i saw a Mustang Parts Palace had them listed available? i paid ~ $500 for mine several years ago

http://www.mustangsunlimited.com/Mustang/Air-Fuel/Intake-Manifolds/351C-390-427-428/Blue-Thunder-Intake-Manifold-Dual-Plane-351C-4V.axd




sweet thanks for the tip on the gaskets, i think that is also a problem with my intake now it leaks.
the BT are available now $500-$600 shopping around for best price  
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Originally posted by MrSmog MrSmog wrote:

Originally posted by SocalTorino SocalTorino wrote:

Originally posted by MrSmog MrSmog wrote:

there were a couple guys on a 71-73 mustang forum that did the rpm vs BT intake challenge and it was BT all the way.
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yea same here when i put a serious motor together for my fastback. for now i am just gonna run the 70/71 style square bore cast iron intake ported out so i can run the 750 holley.

i want to run a square bore carb too, but sense i dont have a good street intake or a stock cast iron, might as well just buy one now, $500 is hard to swallow for a reproduction intake, i wish i could fine one of those boss 351 intakes that ford sold over the counter with the square bore flange they use to sell for $200-$300 used.
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i want to run a square bore carb too, but sense i dont have a good street intake or a stock cast iron, might as well just buy one now, $500 is hard to swallow for a reproduction intake, i wish i could fine one of those boss 351 intakes that ford sold over the counter with the square bore flange they use to sell for $200-$300 used.


$500 for which, the BT, SCM or both/either?

it's a gulp for sure but the alternative is the decimal point keeps moving to the right for the D1ZX-DA and the Shelby versions. check this one out, the carb pad / plenum looks a little messed up IMO, i can't believe they all came with tat step in them? only $3750
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Ford-CS-Shelby-351C-4V-aluminum-intake-manifold-1970-Shelby-Autosport-Rare/263821374675?hash=item3d6cfab4d3:g:I78AAOSwezVWuoXS

here's a BT with enhanced divider cut and heat blocked

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Competition-Series-Blue-Thunder-Ford-351-Cleveland-Intake-Manifold/254123604806?hash=item3b2af27b46:g:MlkAAOSwRXJcZPq7

i forgot to mention that the Scott Cook factory appearing intake isn't just a knock-off/repop like a procomp, Darin Morgan had a hand in designing the factory appearing heads and matching intake Big smile
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why not use your D1ZX-CA with the adapter plate?
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The blue thunder is $500+$15 ride,
The adapter is $70, I’m better off selling the boss and buying the blue thunder, I don’t want to deal with leak or carb issues with spacer.
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