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Posted: 28-October-2009 at 12:31AM |
I actually want to fix a few more Torino's this way after I build mine as it would save a few from the bone yard and make extra money after they are sold especially if you find a Q code car with no title and it's only good for it parts.you get it for less money and find a rotted one with a title and bam rebody or section it with good parts.
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have to cut any structure parts as like the rockers you have to plate the seams inside for strength of the joint when welding it back together and it is strong as it was before cut.
We get used clips all the time to fix cars that are a few years old as ne sheetmetal will total them but used makes them fixers and the insurance companies write it for sectioning.sometimes it's easier to graft on a big section then weld a bunch of seperate pieces together new and hope it's all aligned like the factory and less corrosion with a clip as there is less welds.we do have a spot welder so we can duplicate the factory way on some of it but some must be plug welded with a mig welder.
I aint skeered,bring it on.LOL
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Wow, Andy. You HAVE been busy! I assume that's you holding the cordless, you handsome devil?
~Chris
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Eliteman76
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Yeah...that's the deal, off hand, I've never considered trying to section a car like that.
Here is a shot of the green car I bought for sheet metal:
To me it seems like you are going to have a lot of work to try to section a car in half, but just depends on what you are up for.
You could just section the A pillars at the cowl, and then drill out the sport welds on the package tray support and take it out as one piece with the foor, but there is a lot of roof structure to deal with...as I have cut up a couple fast backs, and hell for that matter formal roof cars, it's still impressive to me the amount of stucture they put into these cars for the roof support.
I don't know if you saw these pics, but here is that green parts car.
This is the one that took a dodge ram and drove away.
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Andy I would take the whole roof with the quarters and splice it in the trunk floor seam and then put half quarter skins on it as I believe my wheel houses ae still pretty solid compared to that car and it would save me time in changing the dash out as I want a black interior and the GTS is blue. anyway just trying to figure out what's easier as my front floors and rockers are good,it'the trunk floor,lower 1/4's and complete roff that is wasted,seems like these to cars are a match as the bothe have good parts that will compliment the other cars bad areas as my doors and nose are good or atleast better and fixable.
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Jeff-
On the thought of grafting, it's a hard call...you would almost have to backhalf the body because the GTS uses a different package shelf.
I am at work right now, will get online later tonight.
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wow Andy my new ride is really a rot box,LOL i guess that is why I won't mind cutting i up and going Pro Street,but after seeing the photos on here It's going to need alot of work still even with what you started.I'm glad you posted the photos of the hood graft as it wi;; give me a good idea of how to start as I will have to do basically the same to my flat hood,good thing is I have the front clip and doors from this Formal roof with the rotted roof that now will be a donor for the 73 GTS when I get it.I also can use my wheel houses as it looks like the donor parts have bad ones.Don't know if you know anyone who needs hose rockers cause if the B-Pillars are rotted also I might as well cut the ones of my car along with the Rockers and keep it solid factory welded with the wheel houses and just get half quarter skins. I possibly can get most of a GTS full quarter with just the missing lower section as I know a girl that has 3 72 GTS's and ones a CJ #'s matching but I only seen the one she had painted as the other 2 are in storage..Hmm now I have got a big delema how to do this,do I use my car and then graft on the Sportroof and top quarters andf trunk onto my formal roof or do I take the doors front end and and put it on th GTS abd then cut up my quarters and rockers and graft them on theGTS or do I just buy half skins and gaft the sportroof on mine
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crispy23c
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Me too! I looked at all the sharp rusty edges and got one myself this summer!
Welcome to TorinoLand!
You know it's all about the hunt..and the love. And the hunt. That's how I ended up with (4) Consoles. It's a sickness I tell ya, a sickness...
$90 for all that? I been going to the wrong junkyards!!!
~Chris
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Eliteman76
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Man...I ended up getting the console from the junkyard, along with a mint floor hump with shifter, and scored a thrashed but repairable 1972 GTS nose trim piece for $90.
The console to my dismay was not perfect, and was not an original blue color like I thought...someone sprayed a ginger console instead of just leaving it ginger.
No floor brackets either, but I'll manage on that. Armrest has seen better days as well but still, I am happy I scored it. Of course, every grille I found was damaged.
I still need to go back for a pair of usable fenders, unless I find some locally. $150 for a pair of bottom rotted ones I can patch, or spend $300 for two solid ones, except the one I need the most is full of holes up top and a bad bondo job from who know how long ago. But not rotted down low.
It's the hunt for the parts, right? This why I enjoy the Torino abuse?? right?
I keep looking at the rockers on the '73...man, why could I have just found something cleaner??
What's stupid is I would have rather found a car that needed a floor pan or trunk floor, but I get the opposite. Great floors and rotted rockers.
Anyways, enough of my rambling. Hoping to start in on the rocker replacement here late this week. Glad I updated the tetnus shot back in the spring time.
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Oh, another thing Prostreet, keep in mind the underhood bracing...it will take some trimming and fitment.
I had one issue towards the back of the inner hood support, not a big deal and I will fix, but for some reason I have a 3/4" gap instead of a 1/4" gap on the very back support, between the hood skin and the skeleton support. I am going to just do a couple big shots of the panel glue like the factory had, but something of note, with how I did the layout.
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Eliteman76
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On the hood...I thought a plasma would have been the better way to go as I originally went to a buddy's body shop to use his, but he pointed out it's better to use a 4.5" electric cut off, and thin cut off wheels.
He told me fowl up a $25 tip, or just spend $5 for two wheels?
As it was his shop, I didn't argue
As far as moving the hoods...sort of used to having to do this stuff myself. Always seems when I need a hand, no one is around.
I'm used to hanging hoods, decklinds, doors {and torino doors SUCK} by myself.
Key thing is I am able to handle it, but if you ain't careful you will wrench your back good with our stuff.
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as impressive as the hood turned out, i am more impressed that you can put one of these hoods by yourself! i am always hacking a neighbor or calling a buddy so i dont put the corner through the windshield or something.
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Elite76 thanks for the photos of the hood scoop graft I'm gonna do one for my 73 formal roof as it's going ProStreet and look tuff with that scoop.
I wanted one on my last 73 Torino but never got a hood that I could cut up cause I won't cut a good hood just a bent,wrecked or rusted out hood.
Ah! mig welders,gotta love em got a plasma cutter to use also.that's gonna be handy come cuttin time with the back half of the car Edited by 73 ProStreetTorino - 07-October-2009 at 12:40AM |
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Uante
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The hood looks Great! I wish I had one! Nice job.
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Eliteman76
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Well, I was bored this weekend, and after taking the '72 GTS out to my Dad's for safe keeping, I decided to test fit the hood.
I think i can say in some degree I have gotten the ability to do a Torino hood swap in around 15 minutes now...by myself.
I still need to do a very minor amount of welding, but overall I am happy.
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Eliteman76
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I don't know...this GTS and the engine that I got from a buddy...the 351c came out of a 1974 Montego MX, california car that had a slea of emissions stuff on it, air pump, etc.
I forgot some stuff in Colorado when I picked the engine up because I was in a rush to get the wrecked GTS picked up and get home.
I am still planning on ditching the 2 barrel setup for a 4 barrel carb BUT I may have a partial drivetrain swap planned for this car...depends on a few parts I need to pick up.
I need to concentraite on the metal work on the shell first to get a solid foundation.
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Hey, Andy...mine acted similar to yours. I am also planning to boil my tank out after the floor weld (2 weeks!). I have to tell you, I finally got around to replacing the secondary fuel filter (clear, in-line). You know, one of those little things you KNOW you gotta do? You would not believe the crap that came out of it!
While I know you shouldn't have (2) fuel filters, I think it's necessary until I boil the tank.
Anyway, the car starts in cold weather MUCH better. I used to need to pump the pedal 5-6 times and repeat. Now just 2-3. It idles smoother, and accelerates much better. It still pops a little, but I attribute that to the headers and glasspacks offering no backpressure.
With winter coming, I am hammering away at getting all the little stuff before the snow flies and she goes on mothballs...
~Chris
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Eliteman76
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Well...fast forward to now. Had the '72 out a bit, driving, and in general just burning up my set of rear tires.
I spent the other night, pulling the 2 barrel motorcraft carb that came with the original engine from the '73, that was sitting in the trunk, bought a carb rebuild kit and fuel filter, and out of boredom, did a basic rebuild. Never bothered to pull a 2 barrel carb apart before, didn't even really look at the instructions, just pulled it apart slowly, replaced the gaskets, the accel pump, power valve, and bolted it back together.
Swapped the EGR plates because no one stocks a 2 barrel spacer around here anymore, ran some new hoses, and filled the bowl up through the vent tubes. I was half expecting a fireball to come belching up, but to my surprise, no leaks, the choke actually seems to work, and the car idles alot smoother.
I still am having issue with the car running if I step into it...I am thinking the timing could off, but I can't place it. I have fought the timing...and now the engine actually idles smooth...but if I step hard into it, it stalls/pops back. I plan on replacing the pump with a brand new...getting the gas tank boiled out.
Major plans are going to involve pulling the doors, finally repairing the rockers, clean up of the firewall...but I want to take things one section at the time.
Still not all to enthused about the wheel houses and the rocker panels...but it's going to get done.
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Eliteman76
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Thanks.
After what's been going on, I have not honestly been able to touch eithe the 72 or the 73 GTS and I am getting pretty irritated about it.
My biggest problem right now, I need to basically strip the '73 of the front clip and doors to reaplace the rockers; but I can't keep it in the garage because of the '72.
I need to finish the prep work on the '72, but I had to wait on buying my paint, I was all prepped to get my paint, but life decided otherwise and I had to stop dead in my tracks.
So, basically it's a standoff, and with all the other crap going on, all work came to a grinding halt.
I have a bunch of crap behind the '72 in the garage, and can't even get it out to drive it right now.
Andy
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Damn, dude! Nice job!!!!! ~Chris
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That is an awesome job on that hood. Not knowing better before doing some research and seeing your thread, I didn't know that they quit making hood scoops in '73 and that '72 hoods aren't interchangeable. So how much to make me one? ....just kidding.
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Oh, man I would love an autodark helmet, but I make due.
AND...awesome find of the day...ran across a 78 XR7, and I ended up taking a look and SCORE was able to pull the 1-1/8" front sway bar, and I was able to unbolt the rear bar, the axle brackets, only thing was I couldn't save was the brackets welded to the frame, but I am going to end up just fabricating some on my own with angle iron, and some bushings.
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nice work! ask santa for a auto-darkening welding helmet for christmas.
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-Pete
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You are truly amazing! A Real Torinoaholic lol
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As far as sleeping, that is purely on a need basis. I sware some days it's 18 hours of this stuff, other days I pay and sleep 16 hours.
I just need to build a actual shop instead of me doing this out in the garage.
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yea wouldnt it be great if we all lived local, and could work on eachothers stuff... instead of spread out over 50 states.
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-Pete
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Yeah, that's IT!!! We could be the Amish equivalent...a kind of Torino restoring cult-ish religion....we could all get together for a "Torino Restoring" (instead of a barn raising). Maybe call it a "barn find raising"
Maybe we can get it recognized as a new religion? Tax-exempt Torino restorations for religeous purposes???
I have got to stop drinking coffee in the early evening...
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Yeah, Andy. When DO YOU sleep??? Are you some kind of Gran Torino restorin' android???Wanna come to my house?????
Nice work!
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Andy,
Once again great work and great pictures. The 73 is coming back to life. I know I've asked this before, but when do you sleep?
Paul~
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