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moose0211
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Posted: 18-December-2009 at 11:11AM |
Hello all, im in the market for a carb and Im leaning towards a holley 650cfm ultra double pumper. Can my engine handle it or is it to big? the whole engine is bone stock.
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ramair351
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a 351c can handle a 650cfm. but a double pumper is really only for manual trans car, or auto car with steep gears (4:11) otherwise it will bog badly when floored. most street cars do best with vacuum secondarys. |
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moose0211
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Ok thanks! i have never understood carbs and the cfms. So thanks for the help, I like the ultra series but the only come in 670cfm, should I get that or just an aluminum street avenger?
Thanks Moose
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ramair351
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i see you are a diesel boy, well unlike diesels, more gas is not always a good thing. a street 351c with a stock or mild cam will not need more that the street avenger 670cfm. the carb will be tunable with different color secondary springs. or if you got an edelbrock carb, they make a 600cfm that works well on stock engines.
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-Pete
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moose0211
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HAHAHAHA yeah, I asked this question on the diesel stop and they were giving me these complex formulas and stuff. I think that i would probobly get the holley because i hade an edelbrock once and I just couldnt tune it! Im planning on an everyday driver, but I want to beat the heck out of a ricer every once and a while
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GranTorinoMan
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Barry Grant "Demon" carbs need the least amount of tuning out of the box and they produce equal or more power than other brands. I still like Holley but they're not as advanced in design like the BG carbs. This chart really narrows down the carb choice for your application.
http://www.gnetworks.com/v4files/barrygrant/Carby%20Myths%20&%20Tips%20Street%20Fords%20Magazine.pdf
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moose0211
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Thanks, I have never heard of this company before and im already sold! I was looking at them and I really like the 575cfm speed demon, it seems to have everythin that I want! In the near furture(next fall) I am going to replace the cams an install msd. Is this a good choice? I am kind of worried that its too small,but coming from a diesel boy, what can you expect! Do you know what cfm the stock 2v carb is?
Edited by moose0211 - 19-December-2009 at 8:21AM |
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ramair351
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stock small block motorcraft carbs are like 350cfm
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-Pete
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GranTorinoMan
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The 575CFM Speed Demon is a good choice and it should work well with future go-fast parts. CompCams has free download cam selection software that helped me pick the right cam for my engine. The more realistic information you enter about how you'll be using your car, the better cam choice it'll make for you.
I use the MSD billet distributor but I chose another brand (Aurora) multi-spark HEI box because it's made close to where I live and I like that I can talk face to face with the guy who designed and built the box. Whatever you go with get a "Rev Limiter" too, for those missed shifts.
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moose0211
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Wow You guys are awsome and probably just saved me a lot of money! How do you like the aurora, would you buy it again or go to a different company? Thanks
Edited by moose0211 - 19-December-2009 at 11:23AM |
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moose0211
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I just did the Comp cam Picker and the best cam for my car is the 270HR!
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Eliteman76
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I've heard a mix on BG carbs, but it's like opinions, everyone has one...
I've had edlebrock carbs on my Torino and F150. I think my 600 cfm performer on my truck is due for a rebuild, but I've been pretty happy with the 600 1400 {or is it a 1406? which ever is the non-emissions} on my 1970 351c 2 barrel headed engine. My car is a manual trans, but I had this engine in a 197 Elite before and it had NO issues frying the tires, even with highway gearing. Best thing you can do is look around and compare...call the companies tech line, and in speaking to them, try to have all the info on your car, like the 351c 2v engine, automatic, and other basics. I always thought I needed alot bigger carb for my car, and will some day stick probabaly a 750cfm unit, when it's needed. For now, I;m content, but I'm not racing it, just fun on the street.
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Psquare75
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Unless you are really interested in the rev limiter (I was), or are
running crazy compression, the stock Duraspark distributor, properly
tuned, and Duraspark box, is fine.
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GranTorinoMan
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For 10 years the Aurora HV70M HEI Box, Rev Limiter and Wires have been on my car without a glitch. Here's a picture of my 460 with the red Aurora spark plug wires. I plan to buy another wire set in black that I can cut to exact length and do a better job of running the wires along side my valve covers.
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moose0211
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Ok cool, I was either going to do an Msd or Aurora ignition but im not going to be racing so I guess i dont really need it. lol. What exactly is a rev limiter, i thought it stopped the engine from over revving but it does more? thanks
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Psquare75
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That's exactly what it does.
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Paul
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moose0211
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Ok, then i definatley want a rev limiter, my buddy had a bad experiance with over reving an engine and i dont want to go through it. I am leaning towards msd right now because i cant find that much info on the aurora.
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moose0211
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So, back to square one! haha. I have an oppritunity to buy a Holley 650cfm 4 barrel carb w/ vacuum secondaries. Is this a good size for a street car or should I wait? I am about to buy a new dual exhaust system and install msd. So,what do you guys think
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Eliteman76
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The 650 would be an ok carb for that engine being a street car. The main thing is match it to a decent intake. The dual exhaust will help things run better and sound better too.
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moose0211
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okay, i will be running an edelbrock (i think performer) spread bore 4v intake manifold. is that a pretty good one??
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Eliteman76
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moose0211
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Wow. then it would scream with a 650!! I found that the 650cfm is actually a little cheaper than the 600cfm on some websites, I wonder why? Thanks, I think I will definatley buy it now!!!
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stanman
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This is what I bought for my 351CJ but I haven't tried it yet. They're factory rebuilt, that's as good as new to me. One with a manual choke is $25.00 cheaper, but I like the electric one.
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Eliteman76
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Well, my current engine is a 1970 2 barrel headed engine. The CJ factory carb was rated at 735 cfm from my understanding on the 4300 that came on these from the factory.
I've heard on mild warmed up setups, a 750 is better to go, but I have no issues with the 600 thus far. Biggest issue seems to be a minor lag but I will say in all the time I have had the carb, I only had to do the electric choke recently.
I've had my carb, on my 351c, for well over 10 years. And I've never had to adjust it, aside from the idle speed.
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moose0211
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Thanks, Stanmam, I need a spread bore though! and I was thinking 600cfm or 650cfm If you guys are getting 600cfms for a cj, then maybe I sould for my 2v. This stuff is very confusing
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moose0211
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Okay, I finally got around to actually googleing my manifolds part number and it turns out that I have a Dual Plane Square bore carb. I am glad I havent bought one yet because I could have been out a lot of money!
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Eliteman76
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No worries.
On the 2 barrel headed 351c, the 600 or 650 will be fine from what I have read up, on a stockish type setup. On engines that have had work done, like the cylinder heads, a lumpy cam, etc, you are going to want to step up, if you are more into street strip action. I have a street car, no drag strip warrior, so I figure my 600 cfm is fine. |
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moose0211
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Thats GREAT becuase I just bought a 600cfm holley from Paul (picon3). If you guys ever need any parts contact Paul, he is a great guy and gurantees everything!
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picon3
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Thanks for the kind words. I'm angling to be the #1 source of Torino parts on the forum. Paul~
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Hey Paul is that a lifetime guarantee???? lol!! |
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