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sauser676
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Im putting in a new 400 with the edelbrock performer heads, weiand intake, new pistons, performance cam, etc, with a fresh newly rebuilt C6 (with 0 miles since rebuild, it was originally in a 77' Mark V). My car currently has a 302, FMX, and a 2.75 rear end gear and my Toro lawn mower can accelerate faster than it. What rear end gear should i put in for the best 0-60 acceleration and what time can i expect? low 6's? Top speed is not important to me as i never go to the track, its the fast acceleration I want, part of the reason i chose a 400, all that TORQUE :)
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sauser676
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its a 74 Gran Torino btw
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Graham Sauser
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ramair351
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get a 3.73 or thereabouts gear. 4.11 is too steep, you can never take it on the highway then, and you'll get tired of it.
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Regul8r
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I was thinking around 3.73 will give you a GREAT acceleration but still able to drive.
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72sport
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I'd go with a 3.50 myself. That 400 is gonna make a TON of torque. Anything more would be a waste. My 72 that had a 400 in it was all stock other than a VERY mild cam. The cam was milder than the Edelb. performer cam. It even had the 2 barrel carb on it still. With 2.75s the thing was a lot of fun. 3.50s would have made the car a real blast.
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lynchster
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I think (for what its worth) I'd go with the 3.50's if you were doing any type of highway driving. They pulled well in mine, I didn't have to shift into third to pass on the highway, and at 70 it would run about 3200 rpm.
Chuck
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Godzillarich
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Depends on the size tire also, I think the 350 is a great all around street gear. If you run a 28" tall Tire tahn I would pick the 373. I ran a 350 on my mild 460 and it was a great on the street. with street tires I was running sub second 0- 60 mph. Around 83-85 in the 1/8 mile with sticky tires. If you want to have fun on the street and dont mind buying tires frequently try a pair of dirt track tires on the back. They hook great but are soft and will wear out quick if you have a heavy foot. I think I ran Acers for a while ,On the steet they rocked but track performance was a little less than a good DOT Slick. I rember they would hook when you punched the throttle from a roll or off the line with no foot brake. Other street tires would just incinertate.
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Carl
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It's all a matter of what you can live with. Never going to get on the interstate? 4.56's would be fun.
I ran 3.89's for years...when the speed limit was 55. Could cruise the interstate at 60mph/3000rpm. Now that most places are 75mph, a 3.25 makes more sense.
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302ford
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I have a 3.7 ratio with a 27" tire and it is great except for longer highway cruises (1-2 hrs). Where it kinda gets a little loud and tiresome holding your foot on the pedal.
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Godzillarich
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Ok that was sub 6 second 0-60 mph with street tires. I believe the G-tech measured a few 4.7-4.9 second 0-60 pulls. That little G-tech was fun but generious. So I am thinking 5 -5.3 seconds was closser to the truth. Those tires were American Racer and were alot cheaper than Drag TAs. http://www.americanraceronline.com/detail-f.html Rich
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i have 3.50s and it is a good street gear, but Rich is right. Tire size will make a difference.
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Skinnys Garage
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Back in my 400 days, I tried lots of different gearing with a setup a little milder than yours. My car really liked 3.70's with the speed limit still at 55. I drove it to the track (125 miles one way), dug the slicks out of the trunk, run mid-14's all day and drove home.
For an all around gear, I agree that something in the 3.50 area should do the trick. Edited by Skinnys Garage - 23-March-2010 at 5:02PM |
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Eliteman76
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I have way too short of a tire on my GTS right now, and with the 4 speed, I spin at 3300-3400 around 70 according to the speedo, which is going to be off a bit.
Factory 3.50 gearing.
I am changing to a much taller tire, which I may or may not alter my gearing for powertour to a 2.75 set I have just so I can cruise and get more than 8mpg.
Even with the 2.75cogs in my last driver Elite...I was able to roast the living hell out of my tires.
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Psquare75
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It depends how much you drive. My truck has 3.25s but I drive 70 mph regularly, it gets a bit noisy. My new cougar has 2.47s.. off the line even with the 460 it's a little slow.. but I love it for daily driving on the highway.
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BackInBlack
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Old thread...but inserting my 2cents.
I think it depends upon the whole package, tranny gearing, rear gear (w tire size), vs torque band of the engine. Overall, excluding gas milage, I'm of the opinion the best performance street rear gearing rests between 3.25 and 3.7ish. If your race more than it will skew this generality.
I'm putting in 3.70s in my GTS. However, I'm going with that low a gearing because I intend to install an overdrive 5speed in the future. With the tremec 600 the 1st gear is 2.87 which helps the launch with a rear gear 3.25-3.50 with a power factor over 10.0 (pf=tranny x rear gear). The problem is with the over drive 5th gear. Rears in the 3.25/3.5 range drop the rpm to 1500-1700ish at 65mph which is to low for carb'ed motors, especially if you have a healthy cam. The 3.7 puts the highway rpm with a 0.64 overdrive gear just under 2k rpm. If you have fuel injection this is less of an issue. Carbs need 2k-3k rpm range on the freewy to get out of the idle circuit to meter properly. (I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'm speaking in general terms.)
I want more performance over highway comfort. However, I have driven cars with 4.1 gears on the freeway and commuted with it (standard final drive of 1.1) and I can tell you it was hell. The noise, milage, wear and tear on the engine... If I had a big-block with lots of low-end torque and no overdrive I would probably go with the 3.25 rear.
-John Edited by BackInBlack - 05-July-2011 at 9:53AM |
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Eliteman76
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John...funny you bring this up.
Ran into a super nice guy on Powertour with a '72 GTS, and he was running 4.56's in his Q code. Originally had a 351c, but blew the motor out of it, and had a built 429 so he dropped it in along with matching big block top loader {after killing the small block top loader}. He ended up changing out to 3.73's for powertour. I love the 2.75's for rolling down the road...with the small 600 cfm performer, and the highway gears, I lope along around 2000 at 55 mph now. I can spin 70 at around 2700-2800 rpm, and the car seems alot less taxed. I did 3600? miles last year with the 3.5's on Powertour, and around 1800 miles this year, and it was alot more enjoyable to roll with the highway gears. I am considering 3.10's or similar, but for now I'm leaving the highway gears. Bad part is, with the gearing, I can't roast the tires well, and that sucks. I can however move at a very high rate of speed and look good doing it.
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Andrew:GTS.ORG admin, '72 Q code 5 speed Restomod
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BackInBlack
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I have to kick start old threads...start some trouble.
I've had some down time. Got the interior finished and have been working on planning the power train gearing and rear. I'm waiting for parts to arrive before I rebuild my old big bearing N case carrier. I'm putting in a true-trac diff, 3.70's, and 31 spline heat treated axles from Dutchman. (BTW, if you have a close-ratio top loader, to get those similar power factor numbers your looking at 4.10 to 4.56 gears.)
Check this link out, It was helpful:
I have a stock cleveland at the moment (4v) and its a dog out of the hole. I had a Toyota Prius beat me off the line...hiding head in shame. LOL, i can't have that. I have 3.25 in the car now and a extra set of 3.50s with the 31 spline trac -loc.
While I'm waiting...I go through the threads and stir things up... ;-)
Thread Troll.
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-John
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Eliteman76
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LOL, awesome.
I just miss being able to roast the tires. I've chirped the tires, but it's the toss up of being able to fly down the road or run it like a rapes ape from the light. I've looked at the TKO600, but right now, can't even think of a 5 speed right now. |
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Carl
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Something to think about.....a big block stroker will put about the same power to the ground with 2.75's as a non-stroker with 3.70's. A stroker will generally be cheaper than a 5-speed/overdrive and a whole lot easier to install. |
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Eliteman76
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What's funny was the guy on powertour told me even with the 4.56's, he was able to drive that 429, and get 11-13 mpg on a daily basis.
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Godzillarich
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My obsession also began when got beat by a Civic with three teens inside. Be careful what you wish for 10 years and 3 engines later the beast runs low 11s and I keep wanting more power! It may never end . If I stay gainfully employed we may have a 9 sec Torino inthe next 10. I will be 52 in 2021. Hopefully our cars will not be outlawed by then.
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BackInBlack
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Can you share your trans/gear setup?
Are you running 31 spline setup? Breaking rears yet?
I'm assuming your not worried about gas mileage. LMAO. I plan on building a motor that will have a power band betwen 2500-6500+ rpm with a redline at 7000+ (stroked cleveland, CHI heads, EFI if I win the lottery). Which is why I picked the tranny/gear combination. However, if i find a late model EFI 460 from a motor home....that could change my plans ;-) luckily I have the original 3.25 and a 3.50 gear to use. -John Edited by BackInBlack - 05-July-2011 at 2:28PM |
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Godzillarich
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Just a standard C6 with a shift kit that i bought for $200 off craigslist. A recently purchased 9.5" 4500 stall converter from Revmax performance conveeters,LOVE IT! Summit 411/1 gears with a Summit mini spool and Strange S/S 31 spline axels.
My stock 28s gave out when the car broke into the 12s. Two passes from the moment it ran 12.9s broke an axel. Got to love a 9" Ford. Drove home on one leg and a broke axel shaft! |
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Godzillarich
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When i got the dough switching to a C4, got my eye on the PA unit with a lifetime gurantee ,supposed to handel 1000 hp . I heard u just pay freight and they will rebuild or replace the unit if it breaks. I think its like $2200 . I don't know how great it is but I don't know of any other transmission builder that backs up their work with.a lifetime warrantee
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4.11 on a 472 ci, it's a bit too short, i'll try a 3.75, i'm sure you just spins the tires with this gearing and stall
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BackInBlack
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Nice!....gotta luv that Ford C6 tranny. They are tough. I wanted to make sure that I wasn't going to have trouble with 31 spline axles with a true-trac limited slip diff. Everything I read says it should be good for 600-700 HP.
I wanted to stick with streetable gears...I was looking at 3.5 to 3.89 and settled on the 3.70 gear. Thanks for the setup...it helps for comparison sake. 4.11 sounds ok for a drag car or even lower gears because of the larger diameter tires. -John
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Godzillarich
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Nope, don't spin ..the stall wraps it up to abot 6500 at the stripe. Ill be switching to 29.5 tires when my 28 M/T Drags are used up.
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Godzillarich
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My car ran 11.60s with a 3.50 gear with plenty of rpms left in the bank. Think i was crossing at 5700 or so. The 411s just gave it a little more charge. It felt quicker even if it didnt change my ets all that much. Now the stall was worth almost two 10ths .my current combo is pretty much maxed. Dont think i can get much more out of this Iron long block 466 without going inside the motor and or the heads. I said it before 3.50 gears are the ticket for an all around street performance in my opinion. Wish I kept my chunk. Icould use the gears once I put the squeeze on!
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