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Godzillarich
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After watching Two Lane Blacktop for the umpteenth time got a crazy notion! I want my 72 to have a tilt clip just like the 55 Chevy,Minus the mail box scoop. Anyone ever see this mod on a 72-76 ? I Think it could be done fairly easy , I would use the standard hood with a Boss 429 scoop . Welded to the fenders and header Panel . I was thinking the core support would need to be modified with some sort of hinge mechanism. The radiator would need to be mounted differently as to allow for the front end to tilt . Tell me if I am nuts but I would love to be able to get right up into my motor without the fenders and front nose in my way. My current hood is a lightened up all steel pin on. Even with no supports it is still almost too heavy for me to pull off by myself. Thought about getting a fiberglass sport hood but they are super expensive and still not as cool in my opinion as the tilt. Anyone else attempt such a mod? If I keep making good money at my Job I think this will be in the cards. Got a whole list of things on my agenda for my 72,
PAINT W/new stripe kit ,Vintage Pioneer Sound Sysytem , New Slicks and Bias Front Runners, Metco LCAs with the ICM brackets, Edelbrok Performer RPM Nitrous Kit, Roll Bar , Tilt Clip
Want to Run 10s and look good doing it!!!
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Godzillarich
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For the uninitiated here is a clip
This movie is by far my favorite car movie, The plot is so thin and acting so mediocre as to not distract from whats really going on. The need for speed is the driving force of this film all other motivations are secondary!!! Rich
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Psquare75
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I think that's going to be one heavy SOB to tilt unless you came up with a spring mechanism . Keeping inner fenders as well?
BTW I always thought "GTO" had some $ if he had a cassette deck in 1971! |
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Godzillarich
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No inner fenders and a lightened steel hood ,For my purposes It can be a little flimsy. This is a drag car ,So it can be noisy and shaky. As long as it stays put when I am running 120 plus the idea is to have it pure and functional with just enough show as to not be a total embarrassment. Some folks will probably not appreciate my sensibilities ,but i know that i would love this mod. Years ago I saw a challenger with a Tilt clip at a Street Machines Show and it was a bit of a turd,but I can say one thing ,I do remember it out of all the shiny show cars ,that one is the only one that made an impression. I like to get my hands on the motor and no better way than a tilt clip.
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Godzillarich
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BTW I always thought "GTO" had some $ if he had a cassette deck in 1971! [/QUOTE] I am going to get a Pioneer KP-500 I keep getting skunked on Ebay, I sold one during my seller days. and wish i could have kept it. Here is the last one I missed out on
It will look great up there near the B&M Pro Ratchet, The FM doesn't sound to bad on theses I plan to hook up my Ipod through the antenna jack
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Regul8r
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I am looking at a full tilt nose that ALSO maintains the stock opening.
Hood opens and then the whole nose tilts!
We'll see, I think it can be done fairly easy.
Just have ot mount everything to the firewall or on a platform that stay put on the frame rail and not part of the tilt.
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Rich, a buddy of mine did a 68-70 Pontiac Lemans.
He used of all things like a tilt mech off a freaking lazyboy recliner.
He sliced the fenders on the back side about even with the wheel well tops {no crazy flare that I recall, unlike our cars}.
Used a pair of pin type hood latches bolted to the sides of the cowl to lock the hood down.
I forget on the radiator. Want to say he basically sliced the center section apart so the radiator didn't move, was bolted to the frame still, but the rest of the nose tilted on modified hinges.
Personally, a lot of work, and you would be adding back weight.
And, I don't know about you, but dud I have been lifting and setting a GTS hood on my car for 9 years now by myself. Just have to be carefull about how you lift.
I have seen guys gut the complete inner fender area, the support structure, inner hood portion, do some lightweight aluminum inner wheel well liners, swiss cheese speed holes on the rad support. etc. Worry about the ounces, and the pounds will fall off.
Of note, one thing I recall on Horsepower TV when they built that black Nova.
Running no liners, and it was costing them because the air was buffeting the air cleaner and causing them some issues. They paneled off the bay and picked up a few tenths.
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Godzillarich
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If no inner fenders cost me I am cool with it. I like the look of an open bay ,its allot easier to work on the motor . Eventually I will run a ram air set up so air buffeting is not a huge concern . I don't care if my front end tilt is a graceful event as long as it Works . I have pretty much eliminated all the redundant supports in my grill area and inner fenders I think tying the Hood to the fenders and header will actually improve the structural integrity from its current state. Besides the bumper The entire front clip is only secured by the Two Bolts at the core support through the frame, two firewall bolts at each fender , and two bolts from the fender to the pan. A Total of Eight Bolts and the Clip is free. Seems Lit If the Core Support was mounted On hinges and the back bolts were replace with pins It would work . Unless the nose dose not clear the ground at full tilt. Instead Of Springs how about a pair of Hydraulic rams Mounted to the frame and the core support. The biggest problem is attaching the bumper to the clip divorcing it from the frame. I can picture it in my mind, Too bad my car is 200o miles away and I am a month away from any home time. Rich
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I've been debating on a fiberglass hood, and looking to see what else is out there. I stumbled across this.
http://www.showcars-bodyparts.com/fairlane.html If you go down to the bottom of the page they list a one piece front end for 72-76 Torino's. No price or pics, but worth checking into. |
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I just sent them an e-mail.
See what I get back.
I am looking at doing the tilt nose on my 72.
Been looking at it for a while now and think it can be done fairly easy.
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This might be easier to do on an Elite or Couger as they have more frame ahead of the radiator, of course they are heavier in the front and that might pose a problem. I have to say that I like the idea of this but trying to engineer the operation would be a challenge.
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Not thinking it is as much a problem as it seems.
I guess we'll see!
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I can do it,fabrication & customization is one of my specialties.I did a removable tilt nose on a 69 GTX dragcar with one piece glass nose.Ofcoarse I could do the factory steel nose too.Looking at my 72 GTS I could make the modifications to make a tilt nose and keep the inner fender wells along with opening hinged hood
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Jeff you can coach me from there!
Got a couple smaller projects that have priority in the garage but then it is ALL TORINO TIME!!!!
Actually 2 of the projects are helping pay for the Torino project!
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well when it comes time you can call me as till I get my satalite internet fixed replies are limited on length using my mobile,so I can't go into detailed explanation on how to go about doing it but I have some good ideas for 72 Torino's as they don't have the heavy bumper that sticks out like 73-76 models.Fenders do have to be cut at rear and then strengthened cause they won't clear the doors in one piece.The glass racecar nose worked as they are flexible and you can make them clear when you tilt the nose but steel fenders won't give you that ability
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only thing that sucks is because of the body crown in the middle in order for the fender to clear you will need to cut the fender at the back edge at that crown down on an angle to the lower bodyline at the wheel lip,otherwise it will rub the doors.It has to be cut at the point where the body sticks out the most and unfortunatly on our cars it's right in the middle of the body
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ford did all that work putting the distributor in the front, now you want to be like a chevy layoff the nitrous man
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it defenitly would be easier to work on the engine in the car. and with out inner fenders you have more room to put headers( when making them)
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I wouldn't do it myself. If I wanted a clamshell hood I'd buy another Dodge/Plymouth Colt Vista or an E28/E30/E34 BMW.
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I have thought about this but I was worried about front end weight and how it would look when it was done. post some pics if you do it.
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I HAVE ALWAYS thought about this on my car. Been thinking this since my first Torino in 1990.
Didn't have the knowledge ability or skills back then... NOW... well maybe just a little bit more skill! lol
I can tell you this IS the direction I want to go!
I need to get the neighbors motor replaced for that cash to start the Torino shuffle!
I have 3 Gran Torino's through out kansas I have to get moved to a central location, bring one here into the garage(AFTER I get the neighbor's truck done). THEN the fun begins... oh yeah AND THE PARTS SELLING BEGINS AS WELL!!
Sell parts, fund project!
Buy, Sell, Trade, Barter, Scrap... whatever it takes!
Stay tuned for THAT thread! lol
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Sounds exciting Carl.
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Hey Rich,
I found a place in Canada that has a part number listed for a 1 piece tilt fiberglass front clip for a '72 Torino. (bottom of the page)
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I have a phone call in to ShowCars to ask about this nose!
PLEASE tell me it is a complete tilt nose for a 72 GRAN Torino.
The catalogue shows 72-76, we all know THAT is not the case unless they say their 73-76 tilt nose piece will fit on the 72 as well. Then YES it will work but NO I DON'T WANT a 73 nose!
We'll see!
OH and there is no price next to it... um... yeah... could be RIDICULOUS $$
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I sent them an e-mail the day I posted the link, asking about price, pictures, and if hoods, fender etc. were also available separately. But still no reply.
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Andy and I looked real hard at the 73 when we pulled it apart this weekend... IT CAN BE DONE!
Yes the cut line behind the wheel well will have to come from the body line at the front middle of the door.
NOT an issue for me as that would be where I run my paint line. Cut/mate line will be edge of red to white transition. PLENTY of room in that area for brackets/bracing and dual hood release pins!
As for the radiator, make it's own support and bracketry OFF the header panel. Then a modified header panel to hold the nose together that will tilt with the nose.
Weld a hinge on the bottom of the frame just in front of the crossmember, then cut the frame and PRESTO!
The whole header panel, frame horns, bumpers, valance, and nose/grill will tilt down. Looks like with a set of the push bumper guards... they might sit right on the ground as stops when it is tilted... support the whole set up.
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Hey Carl, you make it sound easy to do and if your going ahead with the tilt mods it would be very cool to see step by step pictures from start to finish. The fiberglass place in Canada was bought out years ago, they used to be called "Glassworks Fiberglass & Steel Autoparts" and the last time I talked to them the new owner didn't know what they had in stock. |
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lost a WHOLE POST!
Bottom line re-write...
Called him, he left me a message back, waiting for a return call.
He can make fiberglass parts out of any steel parts he has!
he no longer has the ability to make a full one piece nose, the company making them for him got rid of the mold!
But he can do, trunk, quarters, doors, fenders, and hoods.
Will let you know when I talk to him again!
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IF he can do doors... I can have Lambo doors AND a Tilt hood!
WAY COOL!
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Talking on the phone with Rob now!
Here's the link to the thread I started for the fiberglass parts.
Lambo Doors and tilt nose... HERE I COME!
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