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Rockatansky
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my guess would be that 72 & early 73 had them, late 73 did not
it's called an Engineering Change, can happen any time / any day 1973 saw quite a few mid model year production Engineering Changes spindles come to mind, possibly rear axle shaft diameters along with bearings, housing end flanges & retainer plates also
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BackInBlack
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My 73 doesn't have the bushing at teh spring pocket either. It has those little oval (2) just under the door hinge area. 10 total body bushings on the 73...and 2 oval.
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californiajohnny
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my 74 does not have the two by the spring pockets!
72's did, not sure about the 73's? |
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Regul8r
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From front to back 2- core support(NOT the same as the body mounts) 4- firewall front mounts 2-midframe ovals(not bolted just push nipples that hold in place 2-at the rear seat area in front of the rear control arm pockets 2- over the rear end on the crossmember in front of the spring pocket 2- on the rear frame rail just behind the wheel well(look in the trunk and you will see the round bump on each side for the bolt clearance by the wheel well on the trunk floor) 2 at the very rear on the frame 72-73, on the rear crossmember 74-79 12 Bolted mounts 2 oval "insulators" on the frame rails 2 core support mounts
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californiajohnny
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IIRC, my 74 has 10 + the 2 oval ones + 2 for the core support
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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Regul8r
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IF you don't cut down the CV ones you will have to do some extra "adjusting" to the bumpers as the body would be 1/4" higher.
Also will have to make sure you raise the core support that same 1/4" NOT a big deal in the long run but will drive you crazy wondering why the entire nose and bumpers do not line up. |
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BackInBlack
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Why cut the Crown Vic part down to 1 1/4"? I'm missing something.
Maybe I'm just to tired to see the obvious...been shoveling a crap ton of snow. 36" in 36 hours. Next time I have to move it will be some place where it never snows. I measured 1 1/2" on the original part.
Doesn't the tube determine the install height of the bushing? Oh...and I found those oval ones..... Do you replace or remove those? Confirmed the 1 1/4"....my measurements were off. What do you do with the oval bushings??? Edited by BackInBlack - 27-January-2016 at 12:14AM |
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-John
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BackInBlack
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12 on a 73? I counted 10
Did you mean 12 on a 1972 and 10 on a 1973? Ok...you mean 12 with the oval ones. Really has been a rough few weeks for me lately.
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-John
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73GTS
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73 only has 12. They don't use the 2 above the axle. Those oval ones also come square too. That "nipple" pops into a hole in the frame.
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BackInBlack
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On my 73 GTS, I dont have any oval ones as you described. As mentioned before
4 in front of body 2 right in front of axle 2 right behind axle past the arch in the frame 2 at the back end tucked up behind the bumper There are what looks like some guide pins mounted in the body to help align when you set the body back down. I dont have any oval mounts in the middle. I will double check. Edit...yup got them. 2 of them each under the door hinge area. Edited by BackInBlack - 06-February-2016 at 10:09AM |
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-John
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JOHN
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Regul8r
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don't forget the 2 oval ones that have a flared nipple and sit on the frame below the door sill in the channel.
They get stuck to the body most of the time and then when they fall out later you look at them all confused trying to figure out WHERE DID THESE COME FROM? They help stiffen the body and frame from sagging in the middle. |
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Eliteman76
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I was going to say there are two on the rear cross member above the rear axle.
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73GTS
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My 72 frame has 14 bushings. I had 2 above the rear axle also.
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BackInBlack
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Thanks! I already replaced the radiator bushing with the poly setup on this thread (forgot to mention that). I'm using the recommended crown vic bushings for the body. I would have rather used poly but alas...nothing available.
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-John
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legend onirot
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there are 12. 2 at the very front under the radiator core support... 4 (2 on each side) under the firewall... 2 just in front of the axle... 4 behind the axle.... look through the second page of my project update thread... you can see where each one is... http://forum.grantorinosport.org/legends-73-gran-torino-sport-stacy-lynn_topic4837_page2.html
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malcolm 1973 gran torino sport (formal)... "Stacy Lynn" 1972 gran torino (formal)... "Mackenzie" 1973 gran torino sport (sportroof)... "Leela" |
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unlovedford
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Powdercoating the fenderwells and core support is money well spent on those parts prone to rust.
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Joe
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BackInBlack
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Got the mounts to loosen up. Some creaking and popping, but slow and easy...got them loose.
Looks like 8 mounts on a 72-73...4 in front, 2 in front of rear wheels, 2 after rear wheels. Did i find all of them? I thought there were suppose be 10 mounts.. I was hoping to be able to do it without taking the front clip off. My plan was to get enough clearance on one side to clean up and paint the frame; not for looks but for protection. Inspect and clean, then put the new mounts on and then move to the other side. Trying to get the underside and suspension cleaned up and done before getting the beast painted. Overall its pretty clean, even the bolts still have the zinc plating. Its an Arizona car. All the rubber, plastic, undercoat, body sealer, is cracking off and disintegrating. O'well....plans change all the time will the hoist make it that much easier? I guess a run to harbor freight and get that 2 ton model... Regarding painting...while its at the paint shop I was planning on taking the inner fender wells and radiator support off to get powder coated. Figure I would work on the motor and trans last and defer the hoist till then. Edited by BackInBlack - 18-January-2016 at 3:45AM |
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-John
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Eliteman76
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John I used an engine hoist to lift my body off my frame.
Front then back. My front clip was off and drivetrain was out. I need to find pictures... |
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BackInBlack
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Just now getting to work on the bushings...Having trouble getting the fronts off. Do you have to remove the fenders to remove the bushings? ( can't tell if the nuts are welded in or loose)
Got it up on stands... Was planning to loosen one side (for a pivot) and remove the opposite side. Then was going to use the jack (with a wood block on the rocker panel at the bushing location) to lift each side of the body and use 4" blocks between the frame and body to hold it while I work. I dont have a hoist or lift. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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-John
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BackInBlack
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Any updates on this? I'm about ready to buy new body bushings.
-John
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-John
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mlachance112785
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What does the pricing look like? I was planning on using the CV mounts, but if these are decent I might hold of on doing them for a little while.
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buickracer
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I was told that there are many compounds of poly bushings. we are trying to get a similar grade to the original rubber. I was told these should hold up better than rubber. Please continue with questions and I will pass them on
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gran torino sport
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BackInBlack
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But Poly will not absorb any vibration and transmit it all into the body. Using poly here wont improve handling; hard compound rubber will still last a long time.
Its obvious with a suspension, controlling deflection preventing alignment shifts due to impacts in the suspension. It increases vibration/noise but improves the suspension; that's a good trade in my book. By using poly; what does it fix that the rubber can't? Just trying to understand what the advantages/disadvantages of using poly in a body mount? Is lasting longer the only advantage? Regards, John
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-John
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californiajohnny
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don't forget about the long oval shaped pair that sit towards the front of the main body on each side.
poly doesn't breakdown from ozone like rubber! |
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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BackInBlack
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I am interested. Just one question...why poly for body bushings instead of a hard compound rubber?
What is the advantage? Thanks John
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-John
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buickracer
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All,
I have contacted a manufacturer at SEMA. They are working on making a urethane bushing to replace the original body bushings. the metal will have to be reused or replaced. I will work on finding a company to make the metal also and make a kit. Please let me know if anyone will be interested as I will get better price with a larger volume. btracingparts@gmail.com. I will be working on radiator core support next |
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pdw72
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got my uppers at Parts.com for $15 each(6W1Z5400396A) and will be ordering my lowers soon from RockAuto.com for $7.14 each(Dorman part#924014).
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Rockatansky
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gotta start somewhere!
Aaaah Spring....
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pdw72
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I will have my share of alignment issues due to my grafted Crown vic front subframe/suspension and 4.6l swap nothing factory will work i'm sure. I will check things out in the spring once I can get out to the garage but it is good to have the mounts finally so I can move forward.
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