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TV 2M8O
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TV Hero #2 still uses the factory exhaust manifolds but now uses 2 1/2" Flow Master 40 series (#42541) mufflers for the sound.....
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Gnarly....
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Nothing stops this train.
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Zebra 3
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I really like the way that one sounds....any clue as to what exhaust parts and pieces where used?
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"I deeply admire the men who founded this country, and I think we ought to know more about them and how they lived and the force and courage they had.
Henry Ford. 1926 Brian Conn '76 Torino |
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Any body know what the new mustangs use. .Evonne likes that sound.
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that's a trip for sure
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LOL, he DID get to drive it last year at SURCON'14 in NJ when he and DS attended. Here's a link to a montage of the event with some show footage added............ |
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PMG woulda crap'd
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For the record, here's how TV Hero #2 sounds today..................
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needs more siren
gotta be better motor sound clips, IIRC the opening deal had a good tach-out
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New Starsky & Hutch link to replace the broken link from post #1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svrDahAm48w
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"I deeply admire the men who founded this country, and I think we ought to know more about them and how they lived and the force and courage they had.
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Same here...30 years ago...heck even 20 years ago that was the set up for me ...no matter what....BUT as time has marched on, glasspacks are still built the same as then and as you already know ,once the stuffings have been burned out they are just straight pipes...not the sound that I am after...and yes that sound reminds of the old beater Chevy pick up with the Rebel flag, mud tires and 4 on the floor Edited by Zebra 3 - 04-June-2013 at 12:01PM |
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"I deeply admire the men who founded this country, and I think we ought to know more about them and how they lived and the force and courage they had.
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I was unfamiliar with Classic Chambered but I listened to a few of the sound clips on their site and may be looking at these for my car soon.
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Joe
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Guts are specially made hollow mufflers with a minimum of baffles (or none at all) to aid in making a very hollow, metallic deep sound somewhat similar to the "Chambered" exhaust GM offered back in the 60's and 70's. Not just a hollowed-out regular muffler. Shapes vary, but the squared type makes a better sound IMHO. They are loud, but idle sound and going up the RPM range sounds like nothing else. I have 2 sets of them (Square and Cylindrical)and will be putting a set on my Cheap Trick project.
My 76 had (and still has)glasspacks, but just grew out of that type of sound. Now it just reminds me of a clapped out Chevy longbed truck leaving a gas station driven by a guy named JoeBob Willie, lol. Edited by unlovedford - 04-June-2013 at 2:02AM |
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Joe
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You will not like the sound of the exhaust with an "X" pipe if an "authentic 70s" sound is what you are after.
An "X" pipe definitely has a sound of its own, not similar at all to an "H" pipe system.
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I am learning more about exhaust "sound" as I go along here.....I still have not had anything installed yet....still in the research stage. Even though it will result in some Db loss, I have decided to go with a "X" pipe....It's plausible to gain some torque however.... Even though this is directed towards late model F 150's, this link offers information usable with our Torino's http://www.f150online.com/forums/exhaust-intake-systems/428019-exhaust-guide.html
I really like the "straight thru" sound......I am seriously thinking about a pair of "sticks" from this company: http://www.classicchambered.com/index.html
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Great sound with a 60's vibe? Get a pair of Guts. Hollow metallic sound (like the old LT1 Chambered exhaust), clean look, fantastic sounding idle, and will explode store windows when you put your foot through the floor!
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Joe
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After talking to the owner of "Topeka's Performance Exhaust Specialist" I WILL NOT be using anything by Thrush...as it turns out Walker exhaust bought the Thrush brand aprox. 15 years ago(just for the damn bird) and the quality has become sub par...at best. So now I am back to finding mufflers or glass packs that will give the Torino that 60's muscle car sound like in the movie Bullitt or the T.V show.....ANY SUGGESTIONS? ...here is where I am at so far if this will help any... 351 W , FMX,.... Will have a Holly 650 cfm, Eldelbrock 4 bbl intake, Hooker 6901HKR Competition Headers, "X" or "H" pipe ,dual exhaust......... |
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I have a complete setup off a '74 302 from the manifolds to the tips with Turbos. Going to install them on the '72 I am selling in order to keep the nice headers and Flows. I also have a set of Glasspacks off my parts truck. May just have to try that on it. No harm, no foul since I am selling it.
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Joe
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A great combo of parts to make a great Torino exhaust note on a car with stock exhaust manifolds is this:
Dual exhaust, cheap turbo mufflers and then some 18" glasspacks downstream from those.
We did that on a 74 Montego, and it sounded great. The turbos before the glasspacks took some of that high-pitched "rap" out of it and added a deep,mellow rumble...just a great sound.
We put the turbos in the usual spot, and the glaspacks in the tailpipes alongside of the gas tank, hidden up in the body work.
You'll love it...
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Interestingly enough, I still have not seen the movies that used my Honda Civic's exhaust note - unless silent movies count.
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Joe
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Apparently, amongst sound-effects editors that need a great "American V-8" sound for films, there is a well-known collection of engine sounds that were generated using a custom-built high-performance 302 4-speed in a 72 Bronco (shorty headers with glass packs).
This Bronco collection has been used over and over throughout the years, most notably in "Last Action Hero".
The SDFX guys will subtly mix two or more engine sounds together sometimes to give a new and unique sound to a particular engine.
And of course by altering the pitch or tone of an engine's sound, it can be made to sound like anything from a high-winding small-block to a thundering big-block.
In "Fast and Furious 5", Vin Diesel's cop Charger at the end had a supercharger whine added to it to make his car seem just a little more "hyper" than the other supposedly identical Chargers in the big climax at the end of the film.
The Torino's used in the "S&H" movie are a rare example of the actual cars in the movie being the same ones to be used to record the sound effects.
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Paul W
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If i had the money in the future, this is what i want our torino to sound like.
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So I just want to add my two cents.....first of all everyone has excellent input on this topics...so kudos. Secondly being a life time fan of the show and the car since I watched the first show in April 1975, and painstakingly building my Gran Torino over the years I have learned a lot. The bottom line is the sound was all dubbed. To incorporate the show. The only time I can even get close to the original sound is when I rev at 3500 . And that running hooker headers and 40 series flow masters....although I have heard glass packs may spruce it up a bit.. I would prefer to be able to have a conversation in the car without hearing the exhaust full time......
By the way did anyone notice the black outline on the vector stripe and the broken door handle? Looks like someone wedged up on it a little too hard....lol |
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The engine sounds on "Starsky & Hutch" are all sound effects dubbed in during editing. There are several reasons for this:
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Allow me to throw something else into the works.....Thrush mufflers...give a listen....
After hearing the demos I am now leaning towards the Thrush exhaust for my Torino...
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thats what I was thinking... 390 mustang... that chrysler whine is very noticible... I used to drive a Jaguar XJ6 that had the same whine as a chrysler..
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OK, here are some comparisons. Here is the Bullitt film clip....
Here is a 68 390 Mustang (Bullitt tribute)...
Here is a 68 440 Charger (Bullitt tribute)...
and another (69 440)...
The SE BULLITT DVD feature (attached below) stresses how they tried to stay true in all the action the shot and the sounds from the clip sound like the cars in the film....
One thing I notice was that there was no CHRYSLER STARTER WINE when Hutch hit the key, so perhaps all the effects used for the Torino are from the 390 Mustang???
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullitt
.......QUOTE From Wikipedia
"Filming
The total time of the scene is 10 minutes and 53 seconds, and it began in the Fisherman's Wharf area (at Columbus and Chestnut), followed by Midtown shooting on Hyde Street and Laguna Street, with shots of Coit Tower and locations around and on Filbert and University Streets. The scene ends at the Guadalupe Canyon Parkway in Brisbane, out of the city.[8] Two 1968 390 CID V8 Ford Mustangs (325 bhp) with four-speed manual transmission were used for the chase scene, both owned by Ford Motor Company and part of a promotional loan agreement with Warner Bros. The Mustangs' engines, brakes and suspensions were heavily modified for the chase by veteran car racer Max Balchowsky. Ford Motor Company had also originally loaned two Ford Galaxie sedans that were intended to be used in the chase scenes, but the producers found the cars entirely too heavy to put through jumps over the hills of San Francisco without the cars' suspensions being severely damaged. The Galaxie sedans were replaced with two 1968 440 CID/375 bhp Dodge Chargers that were bought outright from Glendale Dodge in Glendale, California.[citation needed] The engines in both Chargers were left largely unmodified, but the suspension was mildly upgraded to cope with the demands of the stunt work. The director called for speeds of about 75–80 miles per hour (121–130 km/h), but the cars (including the ones containing the cameras) reached speeds of over 110 miles per hour (180 km/h) on surface streets. Driver's point-of-view angles were used to give the audience the "feel" of the ride as the cars jumped the hills. Filming the chase scene took three weeks, resulting in 9 minutes and 42 seconds of film. During this film sequence, the Charger loses five wheel covers and has different ones missing in different shots. As a result of shooting from multiple angles simultaneously, and some angles' footage used at different times to give the illusion of different streets, the speeding cars can be seen passing the same green Volkswagen Beetle four different times, and the same blue Chevelle Malibu S.S.396 with a black vinyl top three times. The Charger also crashes into the camera in one scene and the damaged front fender is noticeable in later scenes. After the Charger hits a parked car, it disappears for a split second from the screen before the scene is changed. The San Francisco authorities did not let the filmmakers film the car chase on the Golden Gate Bridge, but they did permit the passage to be filmed in Midtown locations including the Mission District, and in neighboring Brisbane, on the city's outskirts. McQueen, an accomplished driver, drove in the close-up scenes, about 10% of the chase in the film. The stunt coordinator, Carey Loftin, hired stuntman and motorcycle racer Bud Ekins, and McQueen's usual stunt driver Loren Janes, to do the dangerous stunts in the Mustang.[9] Ekins is also the stunt man who lays down his bike in front of a skidding truck during the chase (Ekins also doubled for McQueen in the sequence of The Great Escape in which McQueen's character jumps over a barbed wire fence on a motorcycle). The Mustang’s interior rear view mirror goes up and down depending on who is driving; when the mirror is up (visible) McQueen is behind the wheel, and when it is down (not visible) Ekins is driving. The black Dodge Charger was driven by Bill Hickman, who also played one of the hitmen and helped with the choreography of the chase scene. The other hitman was played by Paul Genge who had played another character who rode a Dodge off the road to his death in an episode of Perry Mason - "The Case of the Sausalito Sunrise" two years earlier. Of the two Mustangs, one was scrapped after filming due to liability concerns and the surviving backup car was sold to an employee of Warner Brothers' editing department.[citation needed] The car changed hands several times, and Steve McQueen at one point made an unsuccessful attempt to buy it. The Mustang is rumored to have been kept in a barn in the Ohio River Valley by an unknown owner."
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