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    Posted: 14-December-2015 at 5:27AM
TV Hero #2 still uses the factory exhaust manifolds but now uses 2 1/2" Flow Master 40 series (#42541) mufflers for the sound.....

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Originally posted by TV 2M8O TV 2M8O wrote:

For the record, here's how TV Hero #2 sounds today..................
 
   I really like the way that one sounds....any clue as to what exhaust parts and pieces where used?
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Any body know what the new mustangs use. .Evonne likes that sound.
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LOL, he DID get to drive it last year at SURCON'14 in NJ when he and DS attended. Here's a link to a montage of the event with some show footage added............


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For the record, here's how TV Hero #2 sounds today..................
 

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needs more siren
 
gotta be better motor sound clips, IIRC the opening deal had a good tach-out
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New Starsky & Hutch link to replace the broken link from post #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svrDahAm48w
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Originally posted by Kit Sullivan Kit Sullivan wrote:

  You will not like the sound of the exhaust with an "X" pipe if an "authentic 70s" sound is what you are after.
  An "X" pipe definitely has a sound of its own, not similar at all to an "H" pipe system.
...I see...I was thinking the "X" pipe due to it's performance rather than the sound...So is what your saying is that the "H" pipe can provide similar performance but with a sound that I am more after OR should I just not have any type of crossover to obtain that 60's-70's muscle car sound. 
Originally posted by unlovedford unlovedford wrote:


My 76 had (and still has)glasspacks, but just grew out of that type of sound. Now it just reminds me of a clapped out Chevy longbed truck leaving a gas station driven by a guy named JoeBob Willie, lol.
  Same here...30 years ago...heck even 20 years ago that was the set up for me ...no matter what....BUT as time has marched on, glasspacks are still built the same as then and as you already know ,once the stuffings have been burned out they are just straight pipes...not the sound that I am after...and yes that sound reminds of the old beater Chevy pick up with the Rebel flag, mud tires and 4 on the floor 


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Originally posted by Zebra 3 Zebra 3 wrote:

I really like the "straight thru" sound......I am seriously thinking about a pair of "sticks" from this company:http://www.classicchambered.com/index.html

 
I was unfamiliar with Classic Chambered but I listened to a few of the sound clips on their site and may be looking at these for my car soon.
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Guts are specially made hollow mufflers with a minimum of baffles (or none at all) to aid in making a very hollow, metallic deep sound somewhat similar to the "Chambered" exhaust GM offered back in the 60's and 70's. Not just a hollowed-out regular muffler. Shapes vary, but the squared type makes a better sound IMHO. They are loud, but idle sound and going up the RPM range sounds like nothing else. I have 2 sets of them (Square and Cylindrical)and will be putting a set on my Cheap Trick project.

My 76 had (and still has)glasspacks, but just grew out of that type of sound. Now it just reminds me of a clapped out Chevy longbed truck leaving a gas station driven by a guy named JoeBob Willie, lol.

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  You will not like the sound of the exhaust with an "X" pipe if an "authentic 70s" sound is what you are after.
  An "X" pipe definitely has a sound of its own, not similar at all to an "H" pipe system.
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I am learning more about exhaust "sound" as I go along here.....I still have not had anything installed yet....still in the research stage.

Even though it will result in some Db loss, I have decided to go with a "X" pipe....It's plausible to gain some torque however....

Even though this is directed towards late model F 150's, this link offers information usable with our Torino's

http://www.f150online.com/forums/exhaust-intake-systems/428019-exhaust-guide.html

I really like the "straight thru" sound......I am seriously thinking about a pair of "sticks" from this company:Tongue

http://www.classicchambered.com/index.html

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Originally posted by unlovedford unlovedford wrote:

Great sound with a 60's vibe? Get a pair of Guts. Hollow metallic sound (like the old LT1 Chambered exhaust), clean look, fantastic sounding idle, and will explode store windows when you put your foot through the floor!
Never heard of Guts.....do you mean gutted by chance?  Anywhere that I can go to hear what it sounds like?
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Great sound with a 60's vibe? Get a pair of Guts. Hollow metallic sound (like the old LT1 Chambered exhaust), clean look, fantastic sounding idle, and will explode store windows when you put your foot through the floor!
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Originally posted by Zebra 3 Zebra 3 wrote:

Allow me to throw something else into the works.....Thrush mufflers...give a listen....
After hearing the demos I am now leaning towards the Thrush exhaust for my Torino...
After talking to the owner of "Topeka's Performance Exhaust Specialist" I WILL NOT be using anything by Thrush...as it turns out Walker exhaust bought the Thrush brand aprox. 15 years ago(just for the damn bird) and the quality has become sub par...at best.Angry
So now I am back to finding mufflers or glass packs that will give the Torino that 60's muscle car sound like in the movie Bullitt or the T.V show.....ANY SUGGESTIONS? ...here is where I am at so far if this will help any... 351 W , FMX,....
Will have a Holly 650 cfm, Eldelbrock 4 bbl intake, Hooker 6901HKR Competition Headers, "X" or "H" pipe ,dual exhaust.........

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I have a complete setup off a '74 302 from the manifolds to the tips with Turbos. Going to install them on the '72 I am selling in order to keep the nice headers and Flows. I also have a set of Glasspacks off my parts truck. May just have to try that on it. No harm, no foul since I am selling it.
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  A great combo of parts to make a great Torino exhaust note on a car with stock exhaust manifolds is this:
 
Dual exhaust, cheap turbo mufflers and then some 18" glasspacks downstream from those.
 
We did that on a 74 Montego, and it sounded great. The turbos before the glasspacks took some of that high-pitched "rap" out of it and added a deep,mellow rumble...just a great sound.
 
We put the turbos in the usual spot, and the glaspacks in the tailpipes alongside of the gas tank, hidden up in the body work.
 
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Interestingly enough, I still have not seen the movies that used my Honda Civic's exhaust note - unless silent movies count.
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  Apparently, amongst sound-effects editors that need a great "American V-8" sound for films, there is a well-known collection of engine sounds that were generated using a custom-built high-performance 302 4-speed in a 72 Bronco (shorty headers with glass packs).
  This Bronco collection has been used over and over throughout the years, most notably in "Last Action Hero".
  The SDFX guys will subtly mix two or more engine sounds together sometimes to give a new and unique sound to a particular engine.
  And of course by altering the pitch or tone of an engine's sound, it can be made to sound like anything from a high-winding small-block to a thundering big-block.
 
In "Fast and Furious 5", Vin Diesel's cop Charger at the end had a supercharger whine added to it to make his car seem just a little more "hyper" than the other supposedly identical Chargers in the big climax at the end of the film. 
 
The Torino's used in the "S&H" movie are a rare example of the actual cars in the movie being the same ones to be used to record the sound effects.
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If i had the money in the future, this is what i want our torino to sound like.
 
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So I just want to add my two cents.....first of all everyone has excellent input on this topics...so kudos. Secondly being a life time fan of the show and the car since I watched the first show in April 1975, and painstakingly building my Gran Torino over the years I have learned a lot. The bottom line is the sound was all dubbed. To incorporate the show. The only time I can even get close to the original sound is when I rev at 3500 . And that running hooker headers and 40 series flow masters....although I have heard glass packs may spruce it up a bit.. I would prefer to be able to have a conversation in the car without hearing the exhaust full time......

By the way did anyone notice the black outline on the vector stripe and the broken door handle? Looks like someone wedged up on it a little too hard....lol
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  The engine sounds on "Starsky & Hutch" are all sound effects dubbed in during editing. There are several reasons for this:
  1. The cars on the TV show were not "owned" by the production company, but were leased to Spelling-Goldberg for the duration of the run. Once filming was complete, they were returned to Ford, and were then uncerimoniously (and surprising, knowing thier noteriety) prepped for wholesale, and then wholesaled to Ford dealers at an auction. California law forbade any type of engine/ drivetrain modifications that would render the factory-installed emissions systems inoperative, so they were left nearly 100% stock. This means the 1st-season cars were stock 400 2V, single exhaust cars, and the 2nd-4th season cars were stock 460-4V dual exhaust cars. 
  2. Making any modifications that would result in the "Starsky Engine" sound would have entailed at the very least some exhaust system mods, but that would have been a waste of time and money anyway because... 
  3. ...nearly all 2nd unit filming, the unit that films scenes that do NOT require the star actors to be present, is typically filmed "wild". In "Starsky & Hutch", this is most often any scenes involving the car, whether it is racing around or just driving by, as long as the star actors are not required for the shot. These shots are always filmed using stand-ins for the actors. On nearly every episode of "Starsky & Hutch", if there is a long shot of them just walking into a building, or even driving up in the car, getting out and going inside, it is usually done with stand-ins, as long as thier faces are clearly shown. This is very easy to spot in nearly all episodes. Additionally, filming "wild" simply means that they are not recording any sound with the film for that shot, or if they do film with sound, it is only to be used for a template later by the SDFX and foley artists when they create the entire sound track for that scene 100% in the studio while editing it all together. It is near impossible to get a good, clean sound recording while on location, especially when the show has to be banged together quickly.
  4. The sounds of the car on the show sound great, for sure, but it is preposterous to think they could be actual live on-set recordings for many all-too-obvious reasons:
    1. The Torinos in actuality are highway-geared, automatic trans cars. Conversely, the sound effects clearly depict a manual-transmission car, and clearly one with a very high (numerically) axle ratio...this is why the gears change so many times so quickly. This may be totally innacurate, but it definitely adds a lot of "zip" and excitemnent to the scenes of the Torino in action. To see how a little more realistically-recorded sound package sounds, watch any episode of "Nash Bridges" and his 71" Cuda. That show had 5 "Bridges" Cudas, but only one of them was outfitted with the equipment to give it the proper sound. (That car was a 440 magnum, 4-speed car). This car was used for all the "sounds" on the show, regardless of which actual car was used in the scene. Because it was a normal, highway-geared car most of the stunts were done at low RPM, and consequently all the engine sounds sounded to be at low RPM...subtly keeping the subconcious "zip" of the scene down a bit.
    2. In any close up of the actors talking in the car on location, or while being trailered, they need as clean sound track as possible, with no or very little extraneous noises to "pollute" the sound recording. Once the sound editors have "locked" the dialogue, then foley artists add all the background sound, including the engine noises. Clearly, if the car had the "Starsky" sound in real life, it would have made dialogue recording quite difficult.
  5. For many years, I have diligently attempted to track down just exactly what vehicle and engine combo was used for the Torino's sound effects, and my latest opinion is that there were several sources used, based on what "fit" the scene sonically. Clearly, a few of the scenes use sounds direcytly lifted from "Bullitt", as do many, many movies and TV shows. The SDFX editors probably just used whatever was in thier "library". My personal opinion is that most of the sounds came from a very high-performance, high-winding small-block race car, like a GT40 or a full-race Corvette or something along those lines. Those are certainly not big-block sounds for sure.
  6. For some good examples of this, I direct you to two well-known and popular movies: Smokey and the Bandit, and Gone in 60 seconds (the original version from 1974).Both movies were released in thier original form on DVD several years ago, and both have sinve been re-released on re-mastered and stereo-modified soundtracks...which niether of them had originally. In both instances, ALL of the original car-engine noises were replaced with "improved" stereo versions. They both suck. Smokey was (for me anyway) RUINED by this...the sounds of the T/A in that movie were fabulous, and the new versions of it are flat and lifeless.
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Allow me to throw something else into the works.....Thrush mufflers...give a listen....
  After hearing the demos I am now leaning towards the Thrush exhaust for my Torino...
 
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Originally posted by TV 2M8O TV 2M8O wrote:

One thing I notice was that there was no CHRYSLER STARTER WINE when Hutch hit the key, so perhaps all the effects used for the Torino are from the 390 Mustang???
The sound of the Torino starting and at the end of the clip could very well be the Torino itself, the car rocks during the revs and jumps going into gear etc. When they back up and take off the sound changes (not really even in sinc with the car moving), at that point it sounds like the Bullitt Charger to me. All I know for sure is that it doesn't sound like my car.Cool
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thats what I was thinking... 390 mustang... that chrysler whine is very noticible... I used to drive a Jaguar XJ6 that had the same whine as a chrysler..
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OK, here are some comparisons. Here is the Bullitt film clip....
 
Here is a 68 390 Mustang (Bullitt tribute)...
 
Here is a 68 440 Charger (Bullitt tribute)...
and another (69 440)...
 
The SE BULLITT DVD feature (attached below) stresses how they tried to stay true in all the action the shot and the sounds from the clip sound like the cars in the film....
 
One thing I notice was that there was no CHRYSLER STARTER WINE when Hutch hit the key, so perhaps all the effects used for the Torino are from the 390 Mustang???
 
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullitt
.......QUOTE From Wikipedia
"Filming

The total time of the scene is 10 minutes and 53 seconds, and it began in the Fisherman's Wharf area (at Columbus and Chestnut), followed by Midtown shooting on Hyde Street and Laguna Street, with shots of Coit Tower and locations around and on Filbert and University Streets. The scene ends at the Guadalupe Canyon Parkway in Brisbane, out of the city.[8]

Two 1968 390 CID V8 Ford Mustangs (325 bhp) with four-speed manual transmission were used for the chase scene, both owned by Ford Motor Company and part of a promotional loan agreement with Warner Bros. The Mustangs' engines, brakes and suspensions were heavily modified for the chase by veteran car racer Max Balchowsky. Ford Motor Company had also originally loaned two Ford Galaxie sedans that were intended to be used in the chase scenes, but the producers found the cars entirely too heavy to put through jumps over the hills of San Francisco without the cars' suspensions being severely damaged. The Galaxie sedans were replaced with two 1968 440 CID/375 bhp Dodge Chargers that were bought outright from Glendale Dodge in Glendale, California.[citation needed] The engines in both Chargers were left largely unmodified, but the suspension was mildly upgraded to cope with the demands of the stunt work.

The director called for speeds of about 75–80 miles per hour (121–130 km/h), but the cars (including the ones containing the cameras) reached speeds of over 110 miles per hour (180 km/h) on surface streets. Driver's point-of-view angles were used to give the audience the "feel" of the ride as the cars jumped the hills. Filming the chase scene took three weeks, resulting in 9 minutes and 42 seconds of film. During this film sequence, the Charger loses five wheel covers and has different ones missing in different shots. As a result of shooting from multiple angles simultaneously, and some angles' footage used at different times to give the illusion of different streets, the speeding cars can be seen passing the same green Volkswagen Beetle four different times, and the same blue Chevelle Malibu S.S.396 with a black vinyl top three times. The Charger also crashes into the camera in one scene and the damaged front fender is noticeable in later scenes. After the Charger hits a parked car, it disappears for a split second from the screen before the scene is changed. The San Francisco authorities did not let the filmmakers film the car chase on the Golden Gate Bridge, but they did permit the passage to be filmed in Midtown locations including the Mission District, and in neighboring Brisbane, on the city's outskirts.

McQueen, an accomplished driver, drove in the close-up scenes, about 10% of the chase in the film. The stunt coordinator, Carey Loftin, hired stuntman and motorcycle racer Bud Ekins, and McQueen's usual stunt driver Loren Janes, to do the dangerous stunts in the Mustang.[9] Ekins is also the stunt man who lays down his bike in front of a skidding truck during the chase (Ekins also doubled for McQueen in the sequence of The Great Escape in which McQueen's character jumps over a barbed wire fence on a motorcycle). The Mustang’s interior rear view mirror goes up and down depending on who is driving; when the mirror is up (visible) McQueen is behind the wheel, and when it is down (not visible) Ekins is driving. The black Dodge Charger was driven by Bill Hickman, who also played one of the hitmen and helped with the choreography of the chase scene. The other hitman was played by Paul Genge who had played another character who rode a Dodge off the road to his death in an episode of Perry Mason - "The Case of the Sausalito Sunrise" two years earlier.

Of the two Mustangs, one was scrapped after filming due to liability concerns and the surviving backup car was sold to an employee of Warner Brothers' editing department.[citation needed] The car changed hands several times, and Steve McQueen at one point made an unsuccessful attempt to buy it. The Mustang is rumored to have been kept in a barn in the Ohio River Valley by an unknown owner."

 

 
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