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Ok guys, I know the sound used on the show was canned engine sounds, but what engine/exhaust sounded like it? Here is a clip of Hutch taking a turn behind the wheel of the Torino that has some pretty good examples of the sound.... I have a pair of Flowmaster Super 40's to go behind my 460 so I KNOW I ain't gonna have this sound! Anyone have any ideas?? Let the fun begin....
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Sounds just like the '68 Charger from the movie Bullitt.
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at 1:00 minute look at the door handle. it is stuck in the up position. wierd
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Mine does that too. Cool video.
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...A while back...last year... I was at the local auto parts store ..they had a Flowmaster display w/ sound. By pushing different buttons you could hear the different Flowmaster mufflers....there was a couple that was close, but no cigar. I know that matching an exhaust system to a television show sound effect will be next to impossible ( I am still trying to figure out how to make my Federal Signal siren control work in both wail and yelp mode together..just like the siren sound effect in the show...and it's a 70's era siren control unit) I don't know if any on line search will yield you anything usable ( YouTube) or if doing research over at Starskytorino.com will yield anything as far as what other people are using on their Torinos....it would appear that Flowmaster is the way to go according to what "I" have read at that site but I don't know which model. |
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Maybe 2 federal 300 siren boxes at the same time for the dual sound like the tv show. Or maybe tape it on the trusty itouch/mp3 from tv. Play it over the PA or dynamax siren. :)
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I went with Borla's on the 73. A little less throaty than flowmasters. Sounds "close" to the video clip but not dead on.
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....It donned on me today....I saw a "Cherry Bomb" sticker on the back glass of a Ford pick up in Falls City, Neb.... Since this sound effect was used thru out the 70's and beyond...(who knows where or what created it [Ford, Mopar, G.M]) , the chances are pretty good that the mufflers where glass packs... I am simply guessing that the car(what ever it was) that was used for the sound effect was equipped with these items from the late 60's early 70's: 1) A big block....I have listened to different episodes over and over again to try and pin the exhaust sound down. I have yet to hear a small block "take a few seconds" to get wound up like on the show.....even the "big inch" small blocks rev pretty quick. (i.e G.M small block 400) 2) Manual transmission.... pay attention to when ever the car is shifted from a forward to reverse gear or visa versa. 3) Headers... unless they where some high performance,stock exhaust manifolds from the late 60's very early 70's...you just don't get that sound from factory stock exhaust manifolds 4) Dual Exhast....again, no 2 in to 1 single pipe exhaust can sound like that. 5) Glass Packs....that's all we had back in the day With all that being said, the "X" factor still remains as to which engine with what goodies made the sound. Me personally , since I have the 351W, FMX Tranny in my Torino, am going with headers, dual exhaust (either an "X" pipe or "H" pipe) and further research will determine which Glass Packs or present day performance mufflers will be used.
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That sound is a Pontiac 301 Turbo motor. I've heard them in person and that is the sound you are hearing.
Please, for the love of GOD, do NOT put a Pontiac motor in your Torino! |
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I don't think it was a Pontiac 301turbo because the engine didn't come into being until around 1980 I believe and the series was already off the air by then.... don't worry, I bleed FORD BLUE! |
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I think it sounds like the Mustang Steve McQueen drove in Bullet... it was a 390 with stock ford mufflers... but I dont know if the sound was also canned..
I have the 40 series mufflers on mine and its not loud enough.. people have told me I need headers but I wont risk breaking the bolts off in the heads.. I am experimenting with different sized pipe and tips.. if I get the sound right I will post what I did..
personally I believe the canned sound from the show was an engine with 60.s horsepower rather than subdued 70's.
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The Mustang used in Bullitt wasn't stock. From what I've read it had a few mods to help even the score with the 440 including extra compression and headers.... One account does however say they used the actual cars to generate the sounds used in the movie.
Jim
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Flowmasters weren't even available until the early 80s, if I remember old ads I've seen correctly. I'd be looking at things that were available back then... really large case mufflers, that they probably ran water through to remove the sound deadening fiberglass wrap, but the large cases still acted like echo cans.
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Just listened to the Bullitt chase scene again. When the Charger first takes off to start the chase, try and ignore the tire noise and music - very close to the same engine sound used in the Starsky clip. I think the car sounds recorded in Bullitt (both Mustang and Charger) were used in several movies and TV shows back in the day.
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Do you think Bullit was dubbed from another movie and not original sounds from the mustang and charger? ???thoughts?
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Skinny,
I agree the Charger takeoff in Bullitt IS the same as the Torino takeoff in the above clip. "Movie Mike" (builder of the Torino's for the S&H movie) says the Bullitt sounds were used for the TV show.
I took the Bullitt Special Edition DVD to work to watch during my lunch hour and disc 2 is all about the making of the film. Hoping there will be something mentioned about the engine sounds....
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The movie "Bullitt" is from 1968...prior to that there just weren't many "car chase movies." There are a few from that era though...1974's "Dirty Larry,Crazy Mary" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKx8KUUF5E ...another Dodge Charger and 1974's "Gone in 60 seconds" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ps7C2s09I&NR=1&feature=fvwp 1973's "White Lightning" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leKp43seddc These 3 appear to have different "sound effects" i.e exhaust. Besides a few "B" grade movies the only other movie that comes to mind prior to 1968 that has any chase scenes is the 1958's "Thunder Road"......trust me the '51 and '57 Ford's didn't sound like anything that exciting. I read somewhere where the movie producers would line a street or in the case of the "Blues Brothers" a mall with many microphones to pick up every possible noise. In watching the Bullitt clip you can hear hub caps rolling off of the Charger as well as a side swipe wreck. Is it plausible that the producers of Starsky & Hutch used some old audio tape from Bullitt.....Yes Consider the episode where Starsky crashes the Torino while involved in a chase ....you know...the one where Hutch gets amnesia. There is plenty of chase audio that bears a striking resemblance to the same audio from Bullitt....2 cars 2 different sounds. It's been awhile since I heard a 440 Mopar (i.e the Charger from Bullitt) in stock form...SO could the sound that we are after simply be a 440 with dual exhaust, perhaps? Getting a small block(351W in my case) to sound like a big block might be impossible. Lets keep our ears open and see if we hear something that shows some promise and find out what all it is....it's worth a try at least.
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My Bullitt DVD has a short film in the special features section called 'Bullitt: Steve McQueen's Commitment to Reality' that shows them practicing with the cars, camera car mounts etc. From what I've read, they used the actual sounds from the cars during the chase and filled in the gaps later at Willow Springs, also using the actual cars. Other sources talk about some of the Mustang sounds being from a GT40, but I haven't seen any real info on that. I might need to get that Special Edition Bullitt, let us know how complete the "making of" section is.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullitt
.......QUOTE From Wikipedia
"Filming
The total time of the scene is 10 minutes and 53 seconds, and it began in the Fisherman's Wharf area (at Columbus and Chestnut), followed by Midtown shooting on Hyde Street and Laguna Street, with shots of Coit Tower and locations around and on Filbert and University Streets. The scene ends at the Guadalupe Canyon Parkway in Brisbane, out of the city.[8] Two 1968 390 CID V8 Ford Mustangs (325 bhp) with four-speed manual transmission were used for the chase scene, both owned by Ford Motor Company and part of a promotional loan agreement with Warner Bros. The Mustangs' engines, brakes and suspensions were heavily modified for the chase by veteran car racer Max Balchowsky. Ford Motor Company had also originally loaned two Ford Galaxie sedans that were intended to be used in the chase scenes, but the producers found the cars entirely too heavy to put through jumps over the hills of San Francisco without the cars' suspensions being severely damaged. The Galaxie sedans were replaced with two 1968 440 CID/375 bhp Dodge Chargers that were bought outright from Glendale Dodge in Glendale, California.[citation needed] The engines in both Chargers were left largely unmodified, but the suspension was mildly upgraded to cope with the demands of the stunt work. The director called for speeds of about 75–80 miles per hour (121–130 km/h), but the cars (including the ones containing the cameras) reached speeds of over 110 miles per hour (180 km/h) on surface streets. Driver's point-of-view angles were used to give the audience the "feel" of the ride as the cars jumped the hills. Filming the chase scene took three weeks, resulting in 9 minutes and 42 seconds of film. During this film sequence, the Charger loses five wheel covers and has different ones missing in different shots. As a result of shooting from multiple angles simultaneously, and some angles' footage used at different times to give the illusion of different streets, the speeding cars can be seen passing the same green Volkswagen Beetle four different times, and the same blue Chevelle Malibu S.S.396 with a black vinyl top three times. The Charger also crashes into the camera in one scene and the damaged front fender is noticeable in later scenes. After the Charger hits a parked car, it disappears for a split second from the screen before the scene is changed. The San Francisco authorities did not let the filmmakers film the car chase on the Golden Gate Bridge, but they did permit the passage to be filmed in Midtown locations including the Mission District, and in neighboring Brisbane, on the city's outskirts. McQueen, an accomplished driver, drove in the close-up scenes, about 10% of the chase in the film. The stunt coordinator, Carey Loftin, hired stuntman and motorcycle racer Bud Ekins, and McQueen's usual stunt driver Loren Janes, to do the dangerous stunts in the Mustang.[9] Ekins is also the stunt man who lays down his bike in front of a skidding truck during the chase (Ekins also doubled for McQueen in the sequence of The Great Escape in which McQueen's character jumps over a barbed wire fence on a motorcycle). The Mustang’s interior rear view mirror goes up and down depending on who is driving; when the mirror is up (visible) McQueen is behind the wheel, and when it is down (not visible) Ekins is driving. The black Dodge Charger was driven by Bill Hickman, who also played one of the hitmen and helped with the choreography of the chase scene. The other hitman was played by Paul Genge who had played another character who rode a Dodge off the road to his death in an episode of Perry Mason - "The Case of the Sausalito Sunrise" two years earlier. Of the two Mustangs, one was scrapped after filming due to liability concerns and the surviving backup car was sold to an employee of Warner Brothers' editing department.[citation needed] The car changed hands several times, and Steve McQueen at one point made an unsuccessful attempt to buy it. The Mustang is rumored to have been kept in a barn in the Ohio River Valley by an unknown owner."
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OK, here are some comparisons. Here is the Bullitt film clip....
Here is a 68 390 Mustang (Bullitt tribute)...
Here is a 68 440 Charger (Bullitt tribute)...
and another (69 440)...
The SE BULLITT DVD feature (attached below) stresses how they tried to stay true in all the action the shot and the sounds from the clip sound like the cars in the film....
One thing I notice was that there was no CHRYSLER STARTER WINE when Hutch hit the key, so perhaps all the effects used for the Torino are from the 390 Mustang???
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........
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thats what I was thinking... 390 mustang... that chrysler whine is very noticible... I used to drive a Jaguar XJ6 that had the same whine as a chrysler..
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Allow me to throw something else into the works.....Thrush mufflers...give a listen....
After hearing the demos I am now leaning towards the Thrush exhaust for my Torino...
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The engine sounds on "Starsky & Hutch" are all sound effects dubbed in during editing. There are several reasons for this:
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So I just want to add my two cents.....first of all everyone has excellent input on this topics...so kudos. Secondly being a life time fan of the show and the car since I watched the first show in April 1975, and painstakingly building my Gran Torino over the years I have learned a lot. The bottom line is the sound was all dubbed. To incorporate the show. The only time I can even get close to the original sound is when I rev at 3500 . And that running hooker headers and 40 series flow masters....although I have heard glass packs may spruce it up a bit.. I would prefer to be able to have a conversation in the car without hearing the exhaust full time......
By the way did anyone notice the black outline on the vector stripe and the broken door handle? Looks like someone wedged up on it a little too hard....lol |
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If i had the money in the future, this is what i want our torino to sound like.
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Apparently, amongst sound-effects editors that need a great "American V-8" sound for films, there is a well-known collection of engine sounds that were generated using a custom-built high-performance 302 4-speed in a 72 Bronco (shorty headers with glass packs).
This Bronco collection has been used over and over throughout the years, most notably in "Last Action Hero".
The SDFX guys will subtly mix two or more engine sounds together sometimes to give a new and unique sound to a particular engine.
And of course by altering the pitch or tone of an engine's sound, it can be made to sound like anything from a high-winding small-block to a thundering big-block.
In "Fast and Furious 5", Vin Diesel's cop Charger at the end had a supercharger whine added to it to make his car seem just a little more "hyper" than the other supposedly identical Chargers in the big climax at the end of the film.
The Torino's used in the "S&H" movie are a rare example of the actual cars in the movie being the same ones to be used to record the sound effects.
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Interestingly enough, I still have not seen the movies that used my Honda Civic's exhaust note - unless silent movies count.
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A great combo of parts to make a great Torino exhaust note on a car with stock exhaust manifolds is this:
Dual exhaust, cheap turbo mufflers and then some 18" glasspacks downstream from those.
We did that on a 74 Montego, and it sounded great. The turbos before the glasspacks took some of that high-pitched "rap" out of it and added a deep,mellow rumble...just a great sound.
We put the turbos in the usual spot, and the glaspacks in the tailpipes alongside of the gas tank, hidden up in the body work.
You'll love it...
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I have a complete setup off a '74 302 from the manifolds to the tips with Turbos. Going to install them on the '72 I am selling in order to keep the nice headers and Flows. I also have a set of Glasspacks off my parts truck. May just have to try that on it. No harm, no foul since I am selling it.
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