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GranTorinoSport
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I love your videos!
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Psquare75
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Video! I redid the fuel line today, and flushed the cooling system.. I love watching rusty antifreeze/water flow up out of my radiator. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8356832450949720452&hl=en And no, my car doesn't sound like a helicopter in person... I swear.. I can't explain that one.. must be the camera. :-? |
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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Psquare75
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Steve, take some pics of your floors, and we can talk.
Jim, Wow.. Granted, I'm down to two hours a night (I really need to clean the garage so I can get the car in there). I did rebend that fuel line tonight, and flushed the radiator... amazingly brown/yuck.. no more exhaust leak either. :-)
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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steve
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I got lost some how for 2 weeks.My wife reconnected me tonite.I think you got alot done this month.Well I stripped my interior out this week end and found alot
of rust in the floor boards.So I am interested in what you may have in that department. You may get mail from me soon for the tranny frame. My father gave me a C-6 that came out of a E-350 van with out over drive. So I think I'm all set there. My next move is to replace all the bushings.
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JimW
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In the last three days, I and a friend reassembled the engine, set the valves, installed the engine, trans, d/s loop, d/s, exhaust and detailed the tail lights, rear bumper filler, and the brake booster. Next is finishing the master cylinder, replumbing the oil and temp gauges, carb, radiator and fan, accessories, putting in the new carpet and scuff plates and NHRA legal belts then topping off all the fluids.... All this needs to go smoothly and be done before Friday.. Happy Happy, Joy Joy.
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1976 S&H Gran Torino
460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6 545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8 More to come!!!! 463rwhp/495rwtq two tons of fun see it and hear it at: www.torinocobra.com www.st |
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Psquare75
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So over the weekend I got a lot accomplished Tranny cooler mounted with hard line from the radiator to the cooler, save for 1.5" of hose (cooler has barb ends). Came out nice. Plug wires are sorted out and are run nicely (yes, this was a bigger deal than it sounds. :oops: ) AEM wideband is working (car idles around 13:1 A/F ratio) Fixed my exhaust leaks, either by welding up what was leaking, or permatex, in teh case of the collector gaskets. Timing is at 13 deg Electric fan controller works. Fans come on at 190, off at 180... car will idle with fans blowing full tilt at 178. Filled the tranny... no leaks.
Things left to do. I should probably pop the valve covers and check the rockers to see if they are still tight, etc. Oh yah.. drain the radiator and flush the whole thing.. The water has a lovely brown appearance.. I never drained the block when the car sat. :oops: It's really just button up some minor things, then I can actually drive it.. I did move it this past Saturday... 25 feet in the driveway.. with no brakes (unrelated story).. so I didn't try anything in the driveway, heh. For a shameless pic.. who knew that K&N filters fade in sunlight? |
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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JimW
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Traction is always the key.... :-)I will say that since I've gone the stroker route, I'll never go back... It's just easy, effortless power, I just need to be a little more realistic because if you think it might break, it probably will... (I chose the SCJA heads and the springs with those were close to their limits with the cam I'm running). I am looking towards the solid roller option next, it's just a $$$ thing....
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460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6 545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8 More to come!!!! 463rwhp/495rwtq two tons of fun see it and hear it at: www.torinocobra.com www.st |
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Psquare75
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Yuck. I really hope the alignment of my pushrods is somewhat ok.. It's not perfect, but close. There was a guy on the 460 forum with an overbuilt 545 with the same cam I'm running now.. He built it for his truck.. engine pulled like 500 hp @ 5000 and 600.. on the downward slope of the torque curve, from 2000 - 4000.. That'd be good enough for a reliable mid 12 second run with some traction, and be streetable enough to drive cross country if the owner so chose. lol. I want something both bullet proof, reliable, and relatively low maintenance.This right now can be my 'starter' engine. :-) I'll post a video once I get the exhaust leaks sorted out (stupid aluminum gaskets)
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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JimW
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Can't wait. I am taking pics of my trials and tribulations, I just havent' pulled them out of the camera yet.. (two broken valve springs, just the inners). I have lots of work to do, especially since the seal got damaged and it looks like some of it got to the pan, so off that comes as well.. )
At least so far it looks like the cam and valve seats survived the ruckus..
Jim
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1976 S&H Gran Torino
460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6 545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8 More to come!!!! 463rwhp/495rwtq two tons of fun see it and hear it at: www.torinocobra.com www.st |
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Psquare75
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Jim, Yes.. The issue was that gear lash as people were saying on the 460 forum. I took the starter, slotted the unthreaded hole, and machined off (well, angle grinder) half of teh 'seat' on the starter flange, so I could have some adjustment. Now it's perfect, or at least, a million times better than before, and no more grinding.
I'll have another update later this week :-)
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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JimW
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Looks very nice! Car should sound very healthy.. Not as deep as an H, but will have a very hard edge to it.. Did you totally solve the starter problem?
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1976 S&H Gran Torino
460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6 545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8 More to come!!!! 463rwhp/495rwtq two tons of fun see it and hear it at: www.torinocobra.com www.st |
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Psquare75
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A month since my last update.. Exhaust is done.. Just need to spray it with some BBQ grill paint and bolt it back up. I put flanges after the mufflers, so I can drop the center section if I need to drop a tranny.. or want to run cutouts . Not bad for my first attempt at this sort of thing. |
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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Psquare75
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Hood scoop hole cut. I can go 14x4 and have clearance for the top of the scoop. I want to use the OEM bottom, sealed to the hood. I just need to find a seal from a random vehicles trunk that will seal tightly. (note seal that doesnt fit) |
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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Psquare75
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Steve, NASCAR uses "oval" pipe for ground clearance.. that help?
Well, it doesn't run yet, as I spent 2 hours trying to get the @!^!%#*( distributor lined up. I only have like, 30 degrees of actual turning, because of a stupid temp sensor I need to remove (which is leaving tomorrow) and the plug wires need to be re aligned for proper length.
My starter is also grinding itself to pieces on every 3rd attempt, so I ordered a gear reduction piece while I'm at it.. However, I did wire loom everything, heh. I'll play with exhaust while I wait for a starter to arrive. |
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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steve
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Has any one ever made an exaust out of square channel stock ( for example a peice that is 1 1/2" X 6" schld 40 that can receave a 460 manifold and dump out to a good expansion chamber. ? Or should I try to make one that will work with the proper back preasure? A quick connect as well for inspection change overs.
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Psquare75
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Well, Lots done, I guess. I changed my cracked dizzy cap (Summit makes a clear one. That was a $40 mistake). My alternator was dynoed, it came with a sheet, LOL. I wired up a relay for the ignition, and hid it behind the battery. I still need to wire loom the wires... but man, I discovered velcro zip ties from Radio Shack (my mother got me some, long story). In other news.. my Flexalite fan VSC controller is JUNK!. I bought this 5 years ago, it worked when I parked the car.. now whenever power is applied to that board, the fan turns on! WTF! I found out that FAL redesigned the board... 3 years ago. I emailed em, hoping they'll cut me a break. This is rediculous. My air cleaner may JUST BARELY clear the hood.. I hope. I wanted to run the stock cleaner sealed to the hoodscoop.. We'll see when the hood is on. So.. here's the messy engine bay. :lol: |
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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JimW
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The problem with side exit is the rear lower control arms, the frame hangs abit low back there and 3" pipes will hit the ground occasionally unless your car sits up high..
(I had 2.5" out the side and it was close enough that I ripped one off occasionally)
Jim
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1976 S&H Gran Torino
460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6 545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8 More to come!!!! 463rwhp/495rwtq two tons of fun see it and hear it at: www.torinocobra.com www.st |
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steve
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I like the air breather too !! $2.99 at any ace hardware store rite !
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steve
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Is there enough room to dump the exhaust out the sides?? I was hoping I can do that with mine when I get to that point. Some of you guys mentioned that there was not much room in the torinos for 3" - 4" pipes in the rear axle area.
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Torinogts73c
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Is that the transducer cover on top of the Carb? Or the flux capcitor? LOL ! Looking good though. Hey i just scored some closed chamber heads for my Torino with Boss 351 stainless steel valves and some other goodies. Now I will order my 392 stroker kit! Gary
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Gary 73 Gran Torino Sport 351CJ,17 Mustang Ecoboost,15 Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD, Ford Ranger parts hauler
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Psquare75
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That's a special aftermarket piece. Tree leaves in my town are a decades old remedy for rusty battery trays. I could send you some for $10 a leaf. :-)
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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Is the battery box leaf a factory option, or did you install that as an aftermarket piece?
Pat
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JimW
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the suspense is killing me!
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1976 S&H Gran Torino
460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6 545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8 More to come!!!! 463rwhp/495rwtq two tons of fun see it and hear it at: www.torinocobra.com www.st |
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Psquare75
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Meh, not much done today. The nose is "loosely" on.. I'll leave it like this until the hood is on, then I can line up the panels. I also POR15'd a bunch of the front brackets on the rad support... and my hands. And yes, my car is powered by a Mr Fusion. |
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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Psquare75
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Well. like I said, I have 12 days till the 'rents come home.. I'd rather have a non running car, with the yard clean, than a yard full of sh*t, with a frame/engine running, lol.
I had to do another summit order for last minut stuff anyway.
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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JimW
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I don't know how you can wait until it's together to try to fire it.
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1976 S&H Gran Torino
460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6 545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8 More to come!!!! 463rwhp/495rwtq two tons of fun see it and hear it at: www.torinocobra.com www.st |
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Psquare75
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Busy day today.
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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Psquare75
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Well, it fits once it's in.. it's GETTING the header into place.
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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Torinogts73c
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Paul I once had a Tech tell that if I wanted to install a 460 that the Saginaw gear would have to go and a ford box would takr it's place. It was said that there wouldn't be enough clearance on the left side! Now I think he was on to something. Gary
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Gary 73 Gran Torino Sport 351CJ,17 Mustang Ecoboost,15 Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD, Ford Ranger parts hauler
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Psquare75
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Jim, I pulled the engine with headers on from my Elite. The car had no steering linkage/wiper motor/brake booster.. It came out relatively easily.
I removed the headers outside of the car.. no big deal either.
However,I had issues getting it *in* because.
1. My transmission is the extra long/extra heavy duty (with the big ribs on top) C6 from a Lincoln Mark III. I think it's 4" longer at the tailshaft than a 'standard' one. That made the 'tip angle' much deeper.
2. Again, the length.. I think the trans mount I'm using has longer studs or something maybe. I had 3 floor jacks getting the x member and transmission together.. (I probably should have done the x member while installing it, instead of after).
3. The headers... Passenger side was ok.. went from the bottom up. No A/C made it almost fall into place.. I had the engine up 2" off the frame. Drivers side was awful. I was cursing Hooker headers, Ford for the car, Saginaw for their steering box, my floor jack, and myself for doing this at all.
I wonder if because I had a Saginaw box they fit differently. I had the car literally jacked up as high as I could, the engine up as high as IT could go... They still were a bitch. I don't remember having this trouble in the Elite... but.. I did install them lying in the dirt, and I was able to dig out the ground as they 'got stuck'. So, we'll see what happens.. Today if I can get the firewall reassembled, and the nose back on I'll be happy.
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500 |
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