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Markb73gtorino
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Posted: 09-March-2019 at 3:46AM |
Hello all,
My fuel pump went out and I ordered a new one for my 351W. The part came and when I went to install it I discovered it did not fit. What I found was a fuel pump for a 351C or a 351M. Not sure which. My info all tells me 351W. Clearly I am very wrong. I have checked the data plate and motor but I am still not sure. Can any one please help with this question. |
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Rons73
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Post a pic of this beast!
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californiajohnny
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been there done that 38 years ago, 3 trips back to the parts store
windsor will have the bolts side by side horizontally cleveland and modified will have the bolts top and bottom vertically i can't remember what the difference between them was ...something about the arm??? or are you unsure about what engine you have? |
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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Rockatansky
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VIN code H can be either a 351Windsor, 351Cleveland or 351M Windsor has horizontal bolts, attaches to alloy timing cover Cleveland and 351M have vertical bolts, same pump, attaches to cast iron block you get the right arm when you get the right bolts Edited by Rockatansky - 09-March-2019 at 5:16AM |
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72FordGTS
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As the other's have said, Cleveland and M are vertical bolts pattern, Windsor is horizontal.
You can see the differences here, both are available. Spectra Part #s 351W: SP1002MP 351C/M: SP1016MP
Edited by 72FordGTS - 09-March-2019 at 6:51AM |
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Vince
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Markb73gtorino
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Thanks for the feed back, they are vertical so it's either C or M. Is there much of a difference, which engine is better? May not matter
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72FordGTS
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Your car is a '73, so that'd be a 351C (351M didn't come out until 1975). In stock form, both were rated pretty much the same. Asking which one is better a bit of a loaded question. I think the Cleveland is the better of the two engines (just my opinion), but parts are getting harder to come, and there is a lot more aftermarket support for 351W's these days.
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Vince
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californiajohnny
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^^^^ what vince said!
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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Rockatansky
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Rons73
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I've had M's in pickups, and they were pretty lazy in factory trim. 400 was always better in that role and I am putting one together for a 78 F150 project. As to difference between the W and C, Vince is right on. Build the one you have, run it and have fun!
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hogfiddles
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Agreed… But 351M is more of a utilitarian/land yacht/truck engine
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1972 Gran Torino Sport - Q code new project 1972 Gran Torino - parts 1969 Torino GT - M code 95+/- mid-80's Yamaha XJ-Series (10 trophies) |
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Rockatansky
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the 351M was a gutless wonder from the day it was born, due to the factory state of tune what i don't understand is, in some circles the longest connecting rod you can get is the Big Go, here's a long rod motor that nobody ever loved .... why not? FYI the 351M shares the exact same block and connecting rods as the 400, just swap the 1K (351M crankshaft cast code) for the 5M (400 crankshaft cast code) and assemble using pistons to suit. stock 400 and 351C use a ~ 1.647" compression distance, but different pin diameters. the rod can be bushed and/or offset to correct compression distance to a very favorable 1.710", or just source pistons from Tim Meyer that get the job done in 1 smack https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/piston-set-ford-400/ "
The 2347 is a hyper-eutectic piston with a .975″ wrist pin and will replace the original 400 Ford piston. Pistons have a 13.3cc step dish and will yield about 9.3:1 Compression ratio based on a 76cc combustion chamber. 1.710″ Compression height will give a near perfect “0” deck height. " unfortunately for $ reasons these are hypereutectic alloy, for serious performance builds a forged 2032 or 2618 alloy piston should be used and for good reason, a 400 short block with 4V heads can make into the high 700-800 hp zone ... fairly easy |
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Markb73gtorino
Member Joined: 23-September-2018 Location: Corpus Christi Status: Offline Points: 78 |
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To all,
Thanks again. I am a grammar school student at this but will get better. I plan to make my Torino breath fire but money is the key. Just for a bit of history, I just got passed over for Sergeant Major in the Army so my career may end a little sooner than I thought. As I review what I want to do next, rather than work on more college, (ie, Master's Degree) I am going to take college classes on auto mechanics and welding. Once I hang up the uniform I hope to build fast cars. Again all of you have been very helpful and as my Torino improves I will keep you posted. Have a great Sunday. Mark |
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