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msgdman
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Posted: 31-May-2012 at 12:36PM |
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New to the scene and trying to find out how to spot an LE. Is this one for sale the real deal? The paperwork seems to show it is, but I am looking for advice on what to spot to show if it is a good copy or the real thing.
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The paper work,door tag,certainly say real deal. Not too sure about the cowl tag. It should have a PS122 or 0022 on it. Check on the www.starskytorino.com web site. Check the dash serial# it should match the paper work, door tag and cowl tag. I can't quite make them out. Maybe one of the other LE owners on here can confirm the tag.
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I considered buying it from him but opted to go the tribute route to save some bucks. Picked up a 75 that I am going to slowly make as accurate as possible.
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usually the buck tag has PS 122 stamped on it.
the build sheet says it Starsky and Hutch PS 122 and the door sticker has DSO 420022 and the VIN and door sticker match the serial number on the build sheet of 222756 so even though the tag don't have PS 122 it is an LE
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I think he was asking $15,500 which was more than I wanted to spend.
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I found this letter interesting:
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yah I read that it was dated 1978 so they musta purchased the car used
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Doesn't that letter contradict the 1,000 number we have come to accept as REAL/FACTORY built S&H cars?
That says they only did 637 at the factory which would mean 363 were POST Factory built/prepped cars. |
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I read it as 637 in that year, did they mean 363 more were made into the next calendar year?
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If memory serves me correctly, they were ALL run thru the factory during the month of March '76. I'll have to do a bit of digging in the ole archives to find out if this is true or not.....
Will advise my findings.
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Well that letter is definetly an interesting piece of history and does raise some interesting questions, it from the 70's and directly from the source, so I wonder the number quoted in the letter is the actual number.
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Ford Customer Relations isn't the most accurate of sources even tho you would think they would be THE authority. I had them provide me the info my my latest '76 Gran Torino on two seperate occasions (I thought I had lost the first letter) and some of the info differed between the two.
Everything I have ever seen, be it from Ford or other publications of the day, have all said 1000. As an aside, that number DOES NOT include the 100 models made for the Canadian market. I think Marti accounted for between 1003 & 1007 US models from Ford records and 100 to 103 Canadians. I think I also remember reading about "Chicago Auto Show" models and a pre-production run of a few cars that were crushed once they had served their purpose.
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the letter from Ford says WILL produce ABOUT 1000.
The letter from the 1978 says the lower number WAS produced IN THE FACTORY. That does not mean they didn't send some out to be made after the left the assembly line. would be nice to know the FACTS.
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I too have read about the actual final production/produced numbers being
slightly over 1000 ......As I recall, the "extra"units over 1000 where not
delivered to dealers/sold to the public....could have became property of ABC
television vehicle motor pool/extra back ups for the show perhaps?... sold to
private collectors with in the Ford-Lincoln-Mercury ranks? who knows....
The post production/ dealer prepped units where not counted as, nor have
ever been considered to be one of the Limited Editions..as far as I know. I have
yet to hear of a partial build Limited Edition sent to a dealer to be
finished...unless it was loaded beyond imagination with options not found on
Torinos...such as an electric antennea ( found on LTD and Thunderbird in
1976)..or perhaps the customer was willing to pay extra for aftermarket Aluminum
slotted wheels. It's plausible that more than a few eligible candidates that
where still on the lot late in the Summer of '76 where given the paint job and
maybe the Magnum 500 wheels in an effort to get them sold to make room for the
NEW '77 cars due out in the 4th quarter of the MY. Since the Torino line would
not be returning for 1977 , I can imagine all kinds of wheeling and dealing
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For the car to get the DSO on the buck stamping/build sheet/data plate, it would have had to have been "converted" at the Chicago Assembly plant. GOTTA LOVE A GOOD MYSTERY!!
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