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    Posted: 14-April-2017 at 9:50AM
Hey everyone,


After a long time spent away from the forum and my old T-Bird I am getting back to working on it again. But I have a bit of a problem, before I stopped working on it I had the engine partially disassembled with parts and hardware stored away. I also had pictures of my disassembly process and notes of what went were and such.


The problem now is that I have lost my notes and pictures with a computer failure and my inability to remember to back up important things elsewhere. To make matters worse, because where I stored my parts and hardware was a shared location, things got moved around and lost. Luckily I found most of the parts, but a good portion of my hardware has gone missing. I plan to keep looking for it, but I need some help finding the right parts if I cannot locate the missing pieces.


So I am asking for anyone and everyone’s help finding the right pieces and putting it back together in the right order. This is something of a time sensitive matter too, the county is on me because the license has expired on the car and they are calling it a derelict vehicle, so I have to either get it running, stored away at a high price lot, or sold off before the 15th of May, aka almost exactly one month from today. The last two options are nonstarters so I really need some help here.


OK, now that the begging is out of the way, I need pictures of the front of a 78 351M with A/C all assembled or in stages of assembly where I can see what bolts go where, and what brackets fit which accessories in what way. For hardware I need help finding thread sizes and lengths, or if possible actual parts for the following pieces:


Harmonic balancer bolt and washer, timing cover bolts, oil pan bolts, cam gear bolts, fuel pump bolts, power steering pump mounting bolts, power steering bracket mounting bolts, fuel pump eccentric, valve cover bolts, thermostat housing bolts, dipstick tube bolt and o-ring, motor mount bolts, alternator mounting bolts, alternator bracket mounting bolts, A/C compressor mounting bolts, A/C compressor bracket mounting bolts, starter bolts, oil pump and pickup bolts, water pump bolts, distributor clamp and bolt, coil bracket bolt, pipe plug for air injector tube into intake manifold, anything else that bolts to the front of the engine that I have forgotten at the moment.


Again this is somewhat of an urgent request and I know that it is a lot to ask, but I really need the help and I hope that I can get it all done in time.


Please help,

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I thought the yard Nazi's only made it to AZ, the infection is spreading.
I can't help you with actual sizes, but I (who last and only worked on early Mustangs for the guy across the street when I was 14/15 yo) can tel you how I have gotten to where I am now.
I cleaned and painted all my bolts and laid them out by size. I then looked at what I holes I had to fill.
I also did alot of research with Google,Yahoo and Bing (as Google had changed their algorithm 10 years ago and hasn't been as good as before)  on my brackets till I came up with my formula. I also read the project updates here alot of information/pictures to help us there.
Good Luck with the Nazis as my run in with them caused me to cut up an almost done 1968 International Travelall that I had converted to Cummins 6BT and dana 60s....I was only given 10 days to finish with no more money to spend on brake master/lines and hoses (I was really poor then)Cry







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here's a good start https://alloyboltz.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=39_73_77_183&products_id=1215&osCsid=u7uloirhmc02u962e53kmtdpf4
as far as pictures go, get the factory manual CD off ebay or find it on the net somewhere, it'll be far more easy to understand than pics
do you have a Fastenal store near you? individual bolts will kill you but so will shipping a bolt at a time
 
probably at least a couple guys here on the forum have the bolts you need to put the front end together
 
 


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Thanks for the images, I think I might have a Fastenall somewhere around me, I'm about an hour's drive out of St. Louis, MO so there should be something.

Still no luck on locating my missing pieces here, but had to work all day today and will again tomorrow. I think I might have located some of the more common pieces like the cam bolt, harmonic balancer, valve covers, etc through ARP, but the more odd-ball stuff like the studded bolts for the timing cover and brackets are something I don't think I will be able to find new. Will keep looking.

Oh, I do have the factory service manual, my version of it doesn't have really good diagrams for the hardware and mounting points, just printed instructions, which don't mention what kind of bolt goes where, so not as much help as a good image where I can see if the bolt is flanged or studded or something like that. Wish the manual was that detailed, would have been done a long time ago if it was.

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I would call local junkyards and see if they have any 351m/400 powered cars/trucks and take pictures of how the front dress goes together. might even be able to get all your bolts there.
The above post should be read in a "Grumpy Old Man" voice.
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I have a '73 400 with factory AC, all assembled and in the car. I don't know how much has changed from there til 78?
I could take some pics for you if it helps!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rockatansky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-April-2017 at 3:38AM
sounds like you might have a Chiltons or Haynes manual?
all my factory manuals have the detailed diagrams and hardware specs
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stanman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-April-2017 at 9:26AM
I've seen replacement engine bolt sets on Ebay but I don't know how accurate or complete they are.
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There is a picture below of the A.C. Bracket.
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There is a picture below of the A.C. System and Brackets installed.
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There are a few Fastenals located in your area, I have listed the store codes, phone numbers and adresses below.
Store Code: MOSL2
Hours: Monday - Friday 7:00am - 5:00pm
Phone: (636)928-8254
Fax: (636)447-0007
4000 North Service Road
Saint Peters, MO USA 63376

Store Code: MOWNT
Hours: Monday - Friday 7:00am - 5:00pm
Phone: 636-456-2203
Fax: 636-456-2243
1000 Warrenton Outlet Center
Suite 50
Warrenton, MO USA 63383

Store Code: MOWAS
Hours: Monday - Friday 7:00am - 5:00pm
Phone: (636)390-8806
Fax: (636)390-8845
1201 East 5th St.
Washington, MO USA 63090

Store Code: MOSLU
Hours: Monday - Friday 7:00am - 5:00pm
Phone: (314)291-8551
Fax: (314)291-5943
13590 Northwest Industrial Drive
Bridgeton, MO USA 63044

Store Code: MOST2
Hours: Monday - Friday 7:00am - 5:00pm
Phone: (636)-536-6273
Fax: (636)-536-2965
624 B Goddard Ave.
Chesterfield, MO USA 63005

Store Code: MOST3
Hours: 7:00 A.M. - 5:00 P.M.
Phone: (636) 587-2625
Fax: (636) 587-2531
1745 West 5th Street
Eureka, MO USA 63025

Store Code: MOSL8
Hours: Monday - Friday 7:00am - 5:00pm
Phone: (314)991-2190
Fax: (314)991-2309
11493 Page Service Drive
Saint Louis, MO USA 63146

Store Code: MOSL1
Hours: Monday - Friday 7:00am - 5:00pm
Phone: (636)349-4405
Fax: (636)349-0266
1111 Horan Drive, Suite G
Fenton, MO USA 63026

Store Code: MOST4
Hours: Monday - Friday 7:00am - 5pm
Phone: (314) 733-0155
Fax: (314) 733-1618
1815 Beltway Drive
Overland, MO USA 63114



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Thanks for the images and the store locations, I have some sources on the cam and crank bolts and possibly a fuel pump eccentric, so that is good news. I feel I might need to add a little info and respond to some questions and comments though.

I do have a factory service manual for all 1978 Ford cars, the one that can be purchased on the CD from Bishko, but the diagrams for the front engine dress are not really helpful, they are all generic images. There is also the matter of I don't have any of the factory bolts I listed to compare replacement pieces to, they have all gone missing, without them for comparison I don't think I will have much luck finding replacements at a Fastenal.
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Seriously, go to a junkyard and strip bolts off something with a 351m/400.
Take closeup pictures of where the brackets go, and in what order.
My Thunderbird has like 6-8 brackets, and they all overlap in a certain order....
I had all my bolts. In labelled bags. I took notes. (Pre-digital camera era).
When I put it back together after a year and a half, yeah, I was stumped.
Took my(wife's) brand new digital camera to the junkyard and got pics of several cars with different variations of SBF front dress.
After I identified the right system, it was a breeze.
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I have been calling all the yards around me, they've all crushed the cars older than about the early 90's. The one that didn't, that I knew of, went out of business. Still searching for others, got a lead on one that might, but it is a two hour one way drive to get to, and they close before I can get off of work, so they are out until I can get a weekday off of work to drive out there.
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I had misread your post but things got rolling..don't forget Craigslist,
https://stlouis.craigslist.org/pts/6050085816.html
Check it often ...you never know, also search for trucks, Broncos, lincolns...they might not know what motor they have...
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