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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Eliteman76 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-January-2016 at 4:23PM
I was going to say there are two on the rear cross member above the rear axle.
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don't forget the 2 oval ones that have a flared nipple and sit on the frame below the door sill in the channel.
They get stuck to the body most of the time and then when they fall out later you look at them all confused trying to figure out WHERE DID THESE COME FROM?
They help stiffen the body and frame from sagging in the middle.
 
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Originally posted by Regul8r Regul8r wrote:

don't forget the 2 oval ones that have a flared nipple and sit on the frame below the door sill in the channel.
They get stuck to the body most of the time and then when they fall out later you look at them all confused trying to figure out WHERE DID THESE COME FROM?
They help stiffen the body and frame from sagging in the middle.
 
LOL that's exactly what happened to me!!! i was like WTF, where the hell did that come from???
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BackInBlack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-January-2016 at 11:53PM
On my 73 GTS, I dont have any oval ones as you described.   As mentioned before

4 in front of body
2 right in front of axle 
2 right behind axle past the arch in the frame
2 at the back end tucked up behind the bumper

There are what looks like some guide pins mounted in the body to help align when you set the body back down.   I dont have any oval mounts in the middle.  I will double check.

Edit...yup got them.  2 of them each under the door hinge area.




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73 only has 12. They don't use the 2 above the axle. Those oval ones also come square too. That "nipple" pops into a hole in the frame.
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12 on a 73?   I counted 10
Did you mean 12 on a 1972 and 10 on a 1973?

Ok...you mean 12 with the oval ones.   Really has been a rough few weeks for me lately. 


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Why cut the Crown Vic part down to 1 1/4"?   I'm missing something.   

Maybe I'm just to tired to see the obvious...been shoveling a crap ton of snow.  36" in 36 hours.   Next time I have to move it will be some place where it never snows.  

I measured 1 1/2" on the original part.   
Doesn't the tube determine the install height of the bushing?   
Oh...and I found those oval ones.....   Do you replace or remove those?

Confirmed the 1 1/4"....my measurements were off.  

What do you do with the oval bushings???





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IF you don't cut down the CV ones you will have to do some extra "adjusting" to the bumpers as the body would be 1/4" higher.
Also will have to make sure you raise the core support that same 1/4"
 
NOT a big deal in the long run but will drive you crazy wondering why the entire nose and bumpers do not line up.
 
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IIRC, my 74 has 10 + the 2 oval ones + 2 for the core support
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From front to back
 
2- core support(NOT the same as the body mounts)
 
4- firewall front mounts
2-midframe ovals(not bolted just push nipples that hold in place
2-at the rear seat area in front of the rear control arm pockets
2- over the rear end on the crossmember in front of the spring pocket
2- on the rear frame rail just behind the wheel well(look in the trunk and you will see the round bump on each side for the bolt clearance by the wheel well on the trunk floor)
2 at the very rear on the frame 72-73, on the rear crossmember 74-79
 
12 Bolted mounts
2 oval "insulators" on the frame rails
2 core support mounts 
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my 74 does not have the two by the spring pockets!
72's did, not sure about the 73's?
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My 73 doesn't have the bushing at teh spring pocket either.   It has those little oval (2) just under the door hinge area.   10 total body bushings on the 73...and 2 oval.
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my guess would be that 72 & early 73 had them, late 73 did not
 
it's called an Engineering Change, can happen any time / any day
 
1973 saw quite a few mid model year production Engineering Changes
 
spindles come to mind, possibly rear axle shaft diameters along with bearings, housing end flanges & retainer plates also


Edited by Rockatansky - 28-January-2016 at 2:43PM
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Ford has a reputation for making many changes mid-year where Chevy typically does it on each model year.

I installed the bushings but I'm noticing that they appear to be "crushing" quite a bit.   The old bushing had an installed height of around 7/8".  These are softer and crushing to an installed height of 5/8 to 6/8.  Anyone else see this?   Maybe the Gran Torino body is heavier than the Crown Vic?

Over time will they crush and relax more?

Edit:  I made a mistake measuring...it looks like it settled on 7/8" installed height.   The body wasnt sitting straight.  Did some jacking and shifting now looks ok.   The only question would be does it crush more over time...not sure if anyone who installed this had double checked after a year or two...


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In needing body mounts for a 72 Gran Torino Coupe I can confirm what “73GTS” indicated “speculated” in his postings on 9/22/2008. I have used 2005 Crown Vic upper and lowers (UPPER MOUNT)6W1Z-5400396-A AND (LOWER) 6W1Z-5C155-AA;  Rock Auto /Doorman has one of those cheaper, then cut the sleeve down to 1 ¼”  and use the rubber as is.  Drive for a couple months then re-tighten. They mounted well, and there are 12 upper and lowers total. The most difficult replacements are the middle sections.  The hood does shake a bit still, but this could be due to needing appropriate fender hardware (bolts let me know if you can get some).  Otherwise the car is solid now.   Original body mounts were completely corroded, and rusted which made for a freaky drive.

I also replaced the springs with Eaton Detroit Springs heavy duty in back 0” reduction, and 1” lower in front, of which I took off another quarter round after receiving springs and seeing them on car.  It also takes some time for new springs to settle in and the front droped more after the below pic was taken; these cars must have shipped with a high front ends however.  Crown Vic Cop Shocks work well, steering gears from Red Head Steering Gears with a reduction gears work great and all new linkage from PST with large front sway bar. I haven’t done the rear swat bar yet, and have used all rubber (but I get it regarding polyurethane if that's your thing). 

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k Guys, ready to post the stuff from my 1973 ranchero 500 restomod. We just pulled off the cabin, and discovered some rotted out bushings. I will post pics next.

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Hey guys. I just read through all this, as I'd like to order up my radiator bushing stuff. 

I'm a little confused though....  

It says here to order 4 Energy Suspension kits if you want to put the extra bushing on top of the support, or two kits if you want to run the metal washer on top.

But I'm looking at that part number on ebay, and it shows that the kit comes with both sides (4 total bushings and 2 sleeves)? So if I am going to use a metal washer on top, don't I only need ONE kit? 
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sal, you just doing the two core support bushings?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310245534809?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2648
Energy-Suspension-9-4102R-Mounts-Isolators-Soft-Bushing-70A-Durometer

you only need one set for the core support!



the recommended plate thickness is your frame in the diagram, the core support sits on top of washer in the diagram






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Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

sal, you just doing the two core support bushings?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310245534809?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2648
Energy-Suspension-9-4102R-Mounts-Isolators-Soft-Bushing-70A-Durometer

you only need one set for the core support!



the recommended plate thickness is your frame in the diagram, the core support sits on top of washer in the diagram





Yeah, just gathering stuff to re-do the car from the firewall forward right now. I was a little confused because people kept saying you needed 4 kits to do the core support with a bushing on top, or just 2 kits to do the core support with no extra top bushing. Maybe the kits were sold per side back then? 
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So this fits my 72 radiator core support?
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bill, i'm not sure on the 72, some guys said they used these and they fit fine, someone else said their 72 had smaller holes in the frame??? IDK but they worked great on my 74! i added a 1/8" thick flat washer welded over the hole in the frame to get the correct thickness and to reinforce the thin area from rust and wear of the original bushings.

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Partial update just bought a body mount kit for an 08 crown vic dorman part number 924-327 for about $250.
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Can I use the new bolts that came with the bushings? Or are they a metric thread or something goofy like that.
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They are metric...can't use them.

I had to buy new bolts from McMaster-Carr.  I think they were 7/16" and I used the phosphate (black) grade 8 bolts.


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Anybody know the torque spec for the body mounts? Searched here and the internet...can't find the spec.

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I used a typical torque spec for 7/16" bolts.  I think it was 45 or 55 lbs.   Can't remember...sorry maybe someone will have the official spec.
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Make sure to use good thread locker.
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Originally posted by 73GTS 73GTS wrote:

Make sure to use good thread locker.


+1

When I had my 75 apart I reused the existing bushings and nuts. Mistake because now I noticed the nuts have loosened up to the point of falling off. I need to tear it all apart and put the proper new bushings in the core support mounting anyway, but I'll be using thread locker or a comparable nyloc nut to ensure it stays secured.
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Thanks! I guess I'll go with 45 ft lbs and thread locker.

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