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Originally posted by Eliteman76 Eliteman76 wrote:

I am going to have my fronts as a winter project, and want to check brand and model you used. 
 

This is what I'm going with. Already bought!!

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4.04                           0.781                  11.75                    2034                      710                         14.38                     One Square End and 1 Tangential End
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Carl...look up here:
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Street-Stock-Replacement-Front-Springs,166.html
Stock replacement front spring. 12" tall with no spacer needed. Fits most street stocks with 5-1/2" springs. Ground flat on one end. Available in the following rates: 925, 1000, 1150, 1250, 1350 and 1450 lb.

I need to dig out my old Speedway Motors oval catalog, but if you are going dirt racing, just stick in a superstock spring of around 1000-1400 pounds. You can also pick up rear springs there as well in Lincoln, NE and get them shipped cheap.
WARNING: these springs not meant for street driving kids. Not unless you want the fillings rattled out of your teeth.

Jim- That spring, I'm curious, but you have a 429...I am running a 351c.
I know Gary in his killer red '73 I think stuck CV springs in, but I don't recall. I just need to lift my nose back up a little. My springs are a tick too short I think.

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Originally posted by cowboyupdjcarl cowboyupdjcarl wrote:

Don't throw away your old springs!
I may be interested in buying some so I have different rates/height for my Dirt Race Car.

I've got a set of 302 springs from my LTD II I parted. Interested? 
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probably to light, but thanks anyway.
 
72 Gran Torino with a 351W barreling 80 mph into a corner I THINK I am going to need a pretty stiff spring.
Andy, I am already looking at Speedway. Thanks
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Originally posted by Eliteman76 Eliteman76 wrote:

Jim- That spring, I'm curious, but you have a 429...I am running a 351c.
I know Gary in his killer red '73 I think stuck CV springs in, but I don't recall. I just need to lift my nose back up a little. My springs are a tick too short I think.

I can't say for sure if they will lift it for you like you want it too, but it is a stiffer spring and I don't think the dif between the 429 and 351 would make any significant difference.
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Yes I installed CV Police car springs in my GTS and ride height is perfect  I think part#D9AZ-5310-W was the ones. have to check my records.
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CV Police Springs
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I checked my notes on the specs of my springs almost identical to the ones you have from Moog!! I thought they looked similar. good find!
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Gary-
What do you show for a cost on the CV springs from Ford?
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Before you pick out a set of stock coil springs for the dirt track .Check the rules for the class you are going to be racing in because from the rates i have seen on this post they are to lite .You need to know what the weight of the car if the track is banked or flat size of the track 3\8 mi,4\10mi. I've been racing dirt track on and off since 1993 and i'm still learning.I race a 3400 pound car 1200# r\f 1000#l\f 225# r\r 275#l\r 4\10 mi banked track 2nd gear auto 4.10 rear end . I'm running afco racing springs. Check out Day motorsports they deal in dirt track parts .
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Originally posted by Eliteman76 Eliteman76 wrote:

Gary-
What do you show for a cost on the CV springs from Ford?
Well guess what? Ford has stopped making them!! Go figure!
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Originally posted by Torinogts73c Torinogts73c wrote:

Originally posted by Eliteman76 Eliteman76 wrote:

Gary-
What do you show for a cost on the CV springs from Ford?
Well guess what? Ford has stopped making them!! Go figure!

That's why I bought these....

CV Police Springs
MOOG Part # 80090

Amazon has the cheapest price. Basically the same spring as factory.
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He's right the specs are the same!
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Jim, never used Amazon, but had a buddy show me them when I was looking for my Xbox live membership and how cheap you could find it on there.
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Free shipping too!
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So, CVPI springs MOOG Part # 80090 coils will work with no modifications and give the best ride height. Gary, did you cut any coils off of it?

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OK, 80090 I find on Ebay, listed as rears. What about the fronts??
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Originally posted by Eliteman76 Eliteman76 wrote:

OK, 80090 I find on Ebay, listed as rears. What about the fronts??

MOOG 80090 are front springs not rear. Get 'em from Amazon. Save $$$$
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Got to wait a bit, if you pick up those wheels off me, THEN I get the springs Wink
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Originally posted by Eliteman76 Eliteman76 wrote:

Got to wait a bit, if you pick up those wheels off me, THEN I get the springs Wink

LOL sounds like a plan. I will call you when I get a chance. Let me know a good time.
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My phone is charging right now, but I am actually getting off the imac so I can go outside and start digging out crap from one of the sheds. Wacko
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Originally posted by moose0211 moose0211 wrote:

So, CVPI springs MOOG Part # 80090 coils will work with no modifications and give the best ride height.


With what engine/combo and what height? 
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I didn't cut any coils they are stock CVPI springs. 351CJ, C-6, A/C , Comp. suspension
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Swaping the 1973 GTS 351c to a 460, A/C and P/S nothing stripped, live in the mountains and want to have a good handeling car. NOT A SPORTS CAR, but something that wont roll the car to bad. I know its an old car, but looking to hold the engine as well as slow her roll.
 
Please dont reply with all the number as I read this post twice and didnt get the numbers. I just need a pt # someone else used. Also I have a boken back so I am not looking to have a stiff ride. I do like it soft. I am picking up a rearsway bar and front upgrade. This guy that lives in my housing area told me he has coilover shocks that will fit, and wants to sell them he said they would stiffen up things but not to bad... Any info on this
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All this talk on the front springs...
 
What about the REARS...
 
What MOOG Cargo Coils is anyone running?
More info I found in the MOOG book at O'Reilly's and on the phone with Andy
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72-79 ALL CC801 14.5 9.75 192/870 95
Wagon CC803 14.19 9.75 305/1330  
75 torino CC807 15.25 ?? 180/1000 114.99
73-76 Wagon CC811   10.5 315/1350 81.99
79 and newer ALL CC819   12.69 200/780 95
 
Looks like CC801will keep stock height, 803 will be ROCK HARD, 807 might raise the rear a little but be a decent ride, the 811 is rock hard and higher,819 is WAY taller but softer ride
 
So I am getting a set of 801's for the yellow car that will have the wheels tucked inside the wheel lip, but probably need the 807 for the 3.5BS slots on "Ol' Brown" to give it a little more height and stiff to make sure it doesn't rub on top of the tire.
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I bought the CC811's. Hoping they'll plant the big 325/50R15 Mickey Thompson E/T. Drag Radial's Wink
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Originally posted by 73GTS 73GTS wrote:

I bought the CC811's. Hoping they'll plant the big 325/50R15 Mickey Thompson E/T. Drag Radial's Wink
WOW really?
that is gonna be one hell of a stiff ride!!!
Pic of the car with them installed?
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I have the CC801's on my car. They can be seen a few pages back. There was no difference in height from the springs that were on the car when I got it. As far as ride they are fine to me as far as bumps go. I cant tell cornering because I have big MT Sportsmans that sway a ton and a 4.56 locker that I prefer to take it easy on. Smile
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Originally posted by Blueoval76 Blueoval76 wrote:

Ok so here is a few pics of the front suspension and I still dont see a difference except that one coil is bunched up at the bottom vs one being with normal gap. Maybe its just me! Lol!

New springs...
 
 
Old springs...
 
 
Upper A arms with old springs...
 
I just noticed you have 2 different Upper A-Arms!!
The passenger side is the HD/PI one it has screw in upper control arm bushings.
The driver side is the standard press-in upper control arm bushings.
That should not affect ride height from side to side but it could cause issues with other front end geometry.
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Lmao!! So you dont think that would make the pass. side sit any higher at all or anything? I don't know for sure as it might be all in the rear where the chassis was set up. I think the only way to find out for sure is to get it to a chassis shop to see if they can figure it out. Thanks though I am glad to know that It is a PI A-arm as I knew there was something different about that arm. I think its safe to assume that the lower is also from the PI and also maybe the spindle.  
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