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Originally posted by lynchster lynchster wrote:

 
Have you noticed any difference in handling with the new springs? I went with a set of either 425 or 450 springs from Eaton. I was just curious as yours appear to spec pretty close and I won't get to drive mine for a bit yet.  
Sharp looking car. Looks like you tucked in the front bumper, did you do the rear as well? 
 
 
The only thing I noticed was that the springs that came out were really stiff and I could barely push them down. The new ones I am able to push down myself. Also the ones that came out one coil was 1/2 a coil taller just as I suspected, but I still have a lean and really think the spindle or one of the a arms are different than its supposed to be.
 
The front bumper was tucked but I dont think the rear one was.


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What year is your car? I would suggest getting another spare set of spindles.
I have a set off a '76 Elite floating around, along with I think I have one more pair of 1972 spindles.
 
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It is a 1975. I do know for sure that the lower control arm on the pass side is JY marked something like 74 Ford or something like that.
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Man...I don't know. I always considered the lower and upper arms the same on these cars.
Only thing that comes to mind for me...if you are really having issue with the lean, swapping out the spindles, and checking the upper and lower arms, all new bushings and a set of matched springs.
I have yet to come across a bent 72-76 Spindle...but not to say it can't happen.
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spindles different at all besides bearing size?
 
Like... EXAMPLE... using a 72 on a 74 lowers it by 1/2" or something whacky like that?
 
What about lower ball joint issues?
Shorter sleeve in the control arm making it sit different in the LCA?
Different angles between BJ and Spindle hole, not seat all the way or too far in?
Different BJ's all together? 1 taller than the other?
 
or... FRAME TWEAKED!?
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All that stuff is something I would have to look at more, but I do know that the car was set up to lean so that when the 10 sec big block torqued it would sit straight. And I know for sure the a arms on the pass side are different. I will post pics (when I get home)of the front end that I took and maybe someone can tell what is off.   
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My Cougar is a hodgepodge collection of 76 Torino steering linkage, 72 Torino spindles, a 71 Mustang steering box, and 76 Torino (Elite) control arms.

It works together wonderfully Wink
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Ok so here is a few pics of the front suspension and I still dont see a difference except that one coil is bunched up at the bottom vs one being with normal gap. Maybe its just me! Lol!

New springs...
 
 
Old springs...
 
 
Upper A arms with old springs...
 
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I see nothing to throw a red flag.
Spring is a bit curious though...the new springs were identical, right?
 
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Originally posted by Eliteman76 Eliteman76 wrote:

I see nothing to throw a red flag.
Spring is a bit curious though...the new springs were identical, right?
 
 
LOL!! That is the only thing that looks off to me too and the springs were identical!Confused
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the springs are not an issue... look at them, they are just spun around from one side to the other.
 
Look at where the END of the spring is. the one that looks bound up is at the end where the 2 coils come together as opposed to the other one you are looking at a single coil point with the overlap coil and end is on the other side.
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OK, with that being said, did you properly clock the spring?
On the lower arm, there is a pocket where the bottom of the spring slips into.
The flat portion will be on the "top" of the spring, where it's inserted up into the frame pocket.
 
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Originally posted by Eliteman76 Eliteman76 wrote:

OK, with that being said, did you properly clock the spring?
On the lower arm, there is a pocket where the bottom of the spring slips into.
The flat portion will be on the "top" of the spring, where it's inserted up into the frame pocket.
 
 
Don't know as I didnt do the install. I will have to crawl under and take a look. I will see if I can get some detailed pics.
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Originally posted by Eliteman76 Eliteman76 wrote:

OK, with that being said, did you properly clock the spring?
On the lower arm, there is a pocket where the bottom of the spring slips into.
The flat portion will be on the "top" of the spring, where it's inserted up into the frame pocket.
 
That's what I was trying to say. lol
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Sorry Carl, I posted that, missed your post!
 
OK, I need a update: sound off on guys that have RECENTLY bought springs.
I am going to have my fronts as a winter project, and want to check brand and model you used. Figuring I am going to pick up another pair of 460 springs, and remove around 2" this time instead of 4-1/2" worth of coils.
 
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Andy, I have no idea about coil springs and ratios and stuff, but wouldn't 460 springs lift up the front? Psquare always said that he uses small block springs on the front, so wouldn't 302 springs lower the fronts a little on our 351 cars?
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I think his reasoning is he wants a stiffer spring.. but cut down to an appropriate height. I don't want my car to ride like a truck so I go with the small block spring usually. 
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Don't throw away your old springs!
I may be interested in buying some so I have different rates/height for my Dirt Race Car.
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Originally posted by cowboyupdjcarl cowboyupdjcarl wrote:

Don't throw away your old springs!
I may be interested in buying some so I have different rates/height for my Dirt Race Car.
 
Who is this meant for? My fronts are gone to scrap cause they were cut with a torch. My rears however are in excellent shape and are painted a blue if you are interested before I toss them too. Wink


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I have to go back and check the spring pressures. I have a few, but I need a couple front for a big block car. I can cut them down to height I need.
 
Stock is not progressive right? So if I cut them, they still have the same rate just shorter?
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