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    Posted: 04-August-2016 at 9:38PM
So as some of you already saw in the Welcome Area, I just bought a '73 GTS Sportsroof in the Netherlands.
It's in an alright condition but there is definitely some work to be done on it, which I'm looking forward to Thumbs Up

Right now I'm figuring out how I can bring it back to Germany, then I'll have it made ready for the german TÜV (which is like the MOT in the UK and...I don't know what you guys have in the US but anyway, in Germany it's a really big pain in the ass. You know...german thoroughness I guess Disapprove)

So I thought I'll start a progress thread as kind of a diary for me personally and anyone who's interested. As soon as I have any news I'll let you know.

Cheers! Beer

Also, if you haven't seen it yet:

 
Originally posted by Torino_Chris Torino_Chris wrote:

OMG I did it!! Shocked
This beauty is now officially mine. Isn't she gorgeous? I think so. Now I'll just have to wait for her to get ready for the german TÜV (Dead) and then we'll see where things will go.

Maybe I should open a thread in the project updates section? It's my first american classic and I'll document everything I'll do to it, even though I won't be able to make it such a big impressive project like many of you...

Oh, and please have a peek of course:




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mcford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-August-2016 at 5:16AM
Excellent!  So what all do you have to do to it?  I know in the U.K. its a pain.  Sold two Torino's to a guy there.  He does the repairs and MOT inspections for others over there.  Basically sent all new front suspension/steering/brakes over with the 73 sport.
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It's not sure yet, they'll have to take a look at it when it's here and then we'll know for sure.
One thing that definitely needs to be done is a couple of bushings/rubber mounts that are completely hardened and cracked. And there will be a couple more things to do I'm guessing.
And a standard procedure is to convert the lights to meet german standards...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 72FordGTS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-August-2016 at 1:23PM
Very nice car!  Keep us posted on what repairs are needed after the inspection, I am sure we can help you out if needed. 
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Thanks Vince, I will! Thumbs Up

And as a little bit of an update:
I'm currently organizing the transport from the Netherlands to Germany and I hope/expect that I'll get it here in the next few days. Then I can take some more pictures to show the true condition of the car before it travels on to Berlin, where a US Car Specialist friend of mine will take care of all the annoying must-do's for the TÜV.

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Right. Little update if you wanna call it that:
I'll have to wait a couple more days before we go pick it up on monday and then trailer it directly to Berlin.
As much as I would've loved to drive it myself, it was not possible to get a transit plate in the Netherlands since the car was never registered anywhere but in the US. Angry
But well, I'll try to take a few more photos before I'm away from it again and I'll have the guys at the shop take some shots of the first repairs if possible.
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Awesome, I found our that my ancestors came from Bavaria . I hope to come over and check it out someday. I hope that everything goes well for you getting it registered.
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Originally posted by antlerfiend antlerfiend wrote:

Awesome, I found our that my ancestors came from Bavaria . I hope to come over and check it out someday. I hope that everything goes well for you getting it registered.
Alex, I thought you were polish!
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Right, the car is now in Berlin where it will be made ready for the german registration. Unfortunately we were late for the handing over, so the car was already on the trailer and the driver left as soon as I paid the seller. Managed to take a couple more photos at least, but nothing that shows the flaws yet Tongue

A bit of background info: It's a California car that was used there as a daily driver by a realtor from Los Angeles. Trying to get through to this guy to ask him about it and about where he got it from.
It was sold to the dutch guy in late 2015, then imported via Rotterdam but never used there. So it had to go and that's how I found it.

It's got a little bit of rust that I'll have to stop but nothing serious. Interior looks pretty good because the seats and headliner have been refreshed. No cracks in the dash, good steering wheel apart from a slightly loose...horn button? (sorry, I don't know all the correct terms in English yet LOL)

It's got some little spots here and there on the outside but that just shows it has been used and it gives it some charme and character in my opinion. Don't want it to look like it's a museum car. Smile The vinyl top is also new though, and it seems to have been repainted at some point.
More info on some issues I'll have to sort out soon.
 
Here's some more shots. Seems like you have to hover over the pics to see the info Ermm
Booty 8-)
Damaged rubber on the bumper
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Interior looking good
Quite clean from below as well
On the trailer with my buddys Mach I

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Beautiful car...I hope you enjoy it as much as we do ours! Clap
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Thanks Carlos! I'm sure I will enjoy it a lot Big smile
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Wow, it looks Damn nice in those pics!
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Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

Wow, it looks Damn nice in those pics!


Thanks Johnny! Smile

Guess what I found in the mail today? Well, in the email, but anyway...my MARTI REPORT Approve


Tomorrow I'm visiting the car in the workshop, maybe I can come back with some more news and pictures then Thumbs Up
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Right, so I was in the workshop yesterday where I had hoped they'd have the car up on the hydraulic ramp so I could take a look from underneath. Turned out the car was sleeping under a cover in the corner because they're waiting for parts at the moment.

But at least I now know the complete list of what has to be done for gettnig it on german streets:
  •  small welding job on the floor (done already)
  • new brake hoses (done)
  • Lights conversion (done)
  • 1 new ball joint
  • new rubber bushings for the wishbone

Additionally it will of course get new motor oil and transmission oil check/fill up. Also a new valve cover gasket, which is leaky at the moment.

And then we'll hope it won't show any more issues for now when they make a thorough test drive.


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It's finally here! After all the waiting my Torino is finally in my hands Smile
Unfortunately the weather is turning really bad now here in Germany, so I will put it into storage for the winter very soon. But I hope I can order some parts and make some small improvements meanwhile. I have driven it for about 500 miles now and runs perfectly and is just so much fun to drive! Heart

There are some issues that I want to address before next season:
  • The weatherstripping (is that what you call it?) between the doors and the side windows needs to be replaced
  • The carb is leaky -> straight to a new Edelbrock?
  • Replace one of the big hoses in the engine bay which is old and worn out, a coolant hose I think
  • probably get the radiator out and flush it

And we'll see, maybe more, maybe less. Depends on time, parts and money Smile


Original license plate holder from the dealer where it was first sold!Thats me. ;)


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glad to hear it made the trip OK Big smile
if we're talking about the same weatherstrips, those between the side glass are very hard to find
 
what type of carb is on it now, which intake manifold?
Edelbrock carbs are kind of Geek but they work, a Holley will always run stronger but are a little more involved. also, either may not fit your stock air filter case
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Yes, I'm talking about the weatherstrips between the doors/body and the outside of the side windows... I already tried searching them online and I know what you mean... Confused So any suggestions are welcome!

The carb and intake are all stock at the moment, like everything on this car. From what I think I've learned so far (from reading) is that Edelbrocks are supposed to be easier/less fiddly with tuning etc than Holleys. But correct me if I'm wrong!
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Originally posted by Torino_Chris Torino_Chris wrote:

Edelbrocks are supposed to be easier/less fiddly with tuning etc than Holleys. But correct me if I'm wrong!
 
you have it right, but the Edelbrock carb does not include a kickdown linkage for the auto trans
 
you can source a Holley with the kickdown linkage already installed
 
so you have a factory 2 barrel carb & intake?
 
if you want easy just replace the carb with a suitable direct replacement, otherwise you're changing the intake manifold also
 
 
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do you mean the bottom of the windows? (felts) and the top of the windows to the roof? 
 try here: http://stores.ebay.com/Class-Tech-Cars?_dmd=1&_nkw=gran+torino
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Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

do you mean the bottom of the windows? (felts) and the top of the windows to the roof? 
 try here: http://stores.ebay.com/Class-Tech-Cars?_dmd=1&_nkw=gran+torino


Yes, bottom of the windows, where you put your left elbow when cruising Tongue
I guees I'd have to use this kit: http://www.ebay.com/itm/72-73-GRAN-TORINO-SPORT-FASTBACK-WINDOW-WEATHERSTRIP-/301876770963
Right?

Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

you have it right, but the Edelbrock carb does not include a kickdown linkage for the auto trans
 
you can source a Holley with the kickdown linkage already installed
 
so you have a factory 2 barrel carb & intake?
 
if you want easy just replace the carb with a suitable direct replacement, otherwise you're changing the intake manifold also



But couldn't I just get an additional linkage and install it myself, or is that much more expensive?
Yes, factory 2 barrel carb and intake as far as I know.

What would be a direct replacement for example?
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