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yes, those should be the correct ones. i got mine from him and i was happy with the fit and quality Big smile
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first i would rebuild your carb & change the gaskets on the EGR spacer plate under the carb before digging any deeper
 
George Holley said to Henry Ford that "90% of carb problems are electrical" ... what this means is that most of the time a suspected carb problem is not a carb problem, look at the ignition! your 1973 came with breaker points in the distributor, which need almost constant care to keep the engine running well
 
before or after but not at the same time (to eliminate any question of an error) install an 'ignitor module' to replace the breaker points & condenser
 
you'll notice a definite improvement over even a brand new perfectly adjusted set of points


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Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

first i would rebuild your carb & change the gaskets on the EGR spacer plate under the carb before digging any deeper
 
George Holley said to Henry Ford that "90% of carb problems are electrical" ... what this means is that most of the time a suspected carb problem is not a carb problem, look at the ignition!


Yep, that's how I would do it anyway Thumbs Up

Well, my carb problem is fuel leaking out, so I guess I can rule out the electrical part on that Embarrassed
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Chris, I have posted before that I have a 72 GTS with the same engine as you.  I went with an Edelbrock intake and a Holley 670 Street Avenger carb.  Easy setup and significant improvement over stock.  Holley carbs aren't that hard IMO.  The carb is jetted pretty good out of the box for a 400.  You do have to buy a Ford kick down kick, but it's just a few extra dollars and easy to install. If you plan to do a 4bbl upgrade anyway, might as well do it now, rather than rebuild the 2bbl.

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X2! Out of all the carbs, i prefer a holley!! Simple to work on without having to remove the top each time but add a good inline filter!holley's don't like dirt particles
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Alright, so that sounds like I have to reconsider...thanks for the input!
I'll get the old carb out as a first step and then we'll see how to continue :)

I'm putting together a shopping list at the moment so I can get to work on some things while I can't drive. Can anyone tell me what this hose is called? It looks like I should replace it soon...



And here's closer look at the weatherstripping and the leaky carb (still installed):


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That hose your pointing to I believe is the high pressure side of the air conditioning
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Thanks John!

Does anyone who's reading along have experience with removing old weatherstripping? I'm wondering if there is any trick or special technique to get it off without damaging the paint on the body...
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with the door panel off, roll the window down, look along the lower felt part...there should be small phillips screws holding it to the door, and it's clipped down through slots in the door. with the screws out, use a flat screw driver inside the door to push the molding/seal piece straight upwards.
yours should look similar to this:
Weatherstrip Door Sweep Felt Seal Front Outer Pair Set for Jeep Wagoneer Grand
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Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

That hose your pointing to I believe is the high pressure side of the air conditioning
Low pressure. ...Small hose leaves the a/c compressor as a liquid and the large hose returns as a gas... Sorry C.J.... by far I'm a know it all
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not a problem! i'm no expert on a/c
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refrigerant can't leave the compressor as a liquid, liquid can't be compressed. IIRC it leaves the compressor as a super heated vapor and goes to the condenser where it cools & becomes less of a gas. the receiver/dryer or accumulator guarantees liquid delivery to the TXV or expansion orifice & the resulting gas flows through the evaporator ... then back to the compressor
compressor pressure goes to the front of the car, compressor suction comes from the plenum
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^^^^^^^ yeah. ..what he said. ^^^^^
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Alright, so thanks to John I was now able to get the old weatherstrips off without trouble Smile

Turns out that the paper inlay behind the door panel on the passenger side wasn't so fresh anymore, while there was none at all on the driver's side:



Also removed these seals to give them a little care treatment. Does anyone know what these are called if you want to buy them new? 


Aaand I also got the carb out. It's a Motorcraft, I don't know if that was standard or if it's a standard replacement for the original?

The point where I got stuck today is how to access the rear side windows weatherstripping. I guess the interior panel has to come out? If so, does that work without removing the rear seats? Shocked I didn't want to risk breaking something, so I wanted to ask before I just try pulling it off like the ones on the doors...

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chris: happy to help!
the seal thing you mention..is part of the door seal weatherstrip it's all one piece.

the carb is the original type.

the rear panel... it's not hard to remove the rear seat,shove back on the bottom of the bottom seat frame right at the carpet on both sides  push back and lift up (the frame of the seat hooks in these notches on the floor brace) once the bottom cushion is out there are two bolts for the upper seat back accessible where the bottom cushion was, remove them and the upper cushion lifts upward the top hooks on brackets at the top. the panel has two holes under the armrests that have 3/8" hex screws holding them on, and IIRC three wire spring panel clips along the front edge towards the door opening. it removes similar to the door panel Wink
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Now that I have the carb out I found some interesting details about it.

First and foremost, I think I can throw it away, because the leak was exactly on this edge, which is broken:



So although the gasket looked perfectly fine and was positionied perfectly, it still leaked fuel out there.
So going to a Holley becomes even more tempting now. Tongue

Another thing I wondered about is this line, that was only loosely connected and looks like it messed up the thread it bolts onto:


What line is that? Embarrassed
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Crack means it's time for a new one.
That line appears to be part of a hot-air choke.
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if thats just a chip off the edge and not a crack that runs down, you can clean it up, grind it out a bit and try some jb weld to fix it.
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that looks nasty, surprised it ever got installed from day 1
 
can't somebody send Chris a rebuildable or just a main body as a gift?
 
Chris look on your ebay for a 'ford 2100 carb'
 
 
notice the number on the side of the float bowl, 1.08, 1.14, 1.21, 1.23, 1.33 ... that's the size of the venturi, you want to get the same size you had or bigger, not smaller or much smaller anyway http://mustangtek.com/carburetors/FordCarburetors.htm


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Holley did make a direct replacement carb, list # 7508, they're not exactly easy to find nor are they any kind of performance upgrade.
just a Holley version of the stock 2100 rated 320 cfm
 
 
i don't know about this guy's zinc dip? looks like Eastwood carb paint to me
 
notice that the fuel inlet is in the same place as Ford so you don't have to jack around cutting & bending
 
 


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