What type of 4 speed is this??
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Topic: What type of 4 speed is this??
Posted By: Grantorinosport351
Subject: What type of 4 speed is this??
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 1:12PM
I'm thinking about buying this 4 speed. The owner said it wasn't a toploader, but I looked up a pic of the toploader, and it looks alike. http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/grantorinosport351/media/image_zps91f26949.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
------------- ~Bryan 72 gts h-code (formal roof) 67falcon 04 f250 ''the great white''
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Posted By: Grantorinosport351
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 1:13PM
It's the one on the right.
------------- ~Bryan 72 gts h-code (formal roof) 67falcon 04 f250 ''the great white''
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Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 1:34PM
I'd say dig'er outta there & click some better pics, my monitor is bad enough as it is
also post any tag info or stamped numbers you can find on it use an inspection light & wire brush even
------------- 72 GT Ute
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Posted By: bmf
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 1:38PM
Try here
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Posted By: Grantorinosport351
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 2:32PM
Thanks! and I'll try to get better pics when I go back.
------------- ~Bryan 72 gts h-code (formal roof) 67falcon 04 f250 ''the great white''
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Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 3:10PM
Could be an 'overdrive' toploader.
I'd run it if it were.
------------- Paul 77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500
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Posted By: Grantorinosport351
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 3:12PM
Heck yeah! I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it's a toploader! I hope it is!
------------- ~Bryan 72 gts h-code (formal roof) 67falcon 04 f250 ''the great white''
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Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 3:40PM
If thee are three levers on the side, its a 4 speed, if there are only two levers, its a three speed.
------------- Mike
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Posted By: Grantorinosport351
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 3:42PM
It has three.
------------- ~Bryan 72 gts h-code (formal roof) 67falcon 04 f250 ''the great white''
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Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 3:42PM
I agree with Paul. Looks like a later 4 speed overdrive. They had them in Granadas, Monarchs, Mustangs, etc... in the 70's and early 80's. Wish I could find a good one.
------------- Joe 1972 Mom's Squire Wagon 1972 Torino Wagon 1976 Torino 1968 Cougar XR7-First batch 1972 Torino 460 1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous Popeye and Brutus (Rams)
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Posted By: Grantorinosport351
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 3:44PM
Yeah, iirc the guy said it came in cars like the granada
------------- ~Bryan 72 gts h-code (formal roof) 67falcon 04 f250 ''the great white''
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Posted By: Grantorinosport351
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 3:47PM
So that's 3 speed with an overdrive gear? Does anyone know what the name of this tranny is?
------------- ~Bryan 72 gts h-code (formal roof) 67falcon 04 f250 ''the great white''
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Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 3:52PM
at the risk of sounding stupid here? i thought that top loader meant that the shifter came out of the top of the tranny (like a truck tranny) i do know the granada's did come out the top, a friend of mine had a granada and he broke the plastic saddle bushing in it so we replaced it down under the shifter in the top of the tranny. but yes^^^ if it has two shafts out the side it is a 3 speed, 3 shafts out the side is a 4 speed, that i do know!
------------- JOHN 74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION
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Posted By: Grantorinosport351
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 3:57PM
I thought toploader was because all of the gears and everything was located close to the top?
So is this worth trading my c 4 for?
------------- ~Bryan 72 gts h-code (formal roof) 67falcon 04 f250 ''the great white''
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Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 4:04PM
your call, but i would make sure you got the right shifter and all the right linkage and possibly bell housing with the z-bar and brackets, or you may be chasing unknown parts forever
------------- JOHN 74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION
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Posted By: Grantorinosport351
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 4:07PM
Yeah, your right, I may wait until I find a complete toplaloader or I get all of the parts located for this one.
Anyone have a toploader, or know where one is?
------------- ~Bryan 72 gts h-code (formal roof) 67falcon 04 f250 ''the great white''
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Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 6:13PM
the 3sp + OD Toploader is affectionately called ' http://www.davidkeetoploaders.com/imposters.htm" rel="nofollow - The Imposter '
they're called Toploaders because all the parts are loaded into them through the cover on the ... you guessed it... TOP!
the Imposter is not a full strength brute of a near indestructible 4speed trans, and from what I understand the shifter can be tricky. a guy I know just swapped in an Imposter & is having an issue with the length of throw on Reverse, could be his shifter or the linkage arm he has on there... ?
looks easy, huh?
------------- 72 GT Ute
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Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 6:40PM
4th gear is weaker sure.. How often do you do a WOT shift into 4th? I've had my truck as a 5spd for a year now... I tend to 'stop driving hard" after the 2-3 shift..
------------- Paul 77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500
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Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 05-March-2014 at 7:21PM
a lot of guys drive the same as you're describing, but it's a 5 spd not a 3, you've got much better (closer) ratios in the low gears
Bryan's 67 may get pushed a little harder?
mostly what I wanted to point out is the 1-3 ratios are more as a 3 speed. the car will not accelerate the same as it would 1-3 with a 4 speed, the ratios are going to wider than a wide ratio 4 speed and the car will accelerate accordingly. camshaft, gear & other tuning choices can be made to compliment the wide ratios, uninformed choices can present significant performance issues
most street/strip level 3 speed cars don't have ~much~ issue with the 1-2 change, but 2-3 fuggetaboutit! 3rd gear is 1:1
reminds me of a poor SOB in Germany, he didn't understand why his Ranchero's performance sucked... he had an F series truck box with a granny gear & PTO covers all over the thing
if I came across a good Imposter I'd grab it, but it ain't a 4 speed
------------- 72 GT Ute
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Posted By: Grantorinosport351
Date Posted: 06-March-2014 at 2:30AM
Thanks, are thi pics shown above a toploader, or the imposter, and if I was to buy parts for this, I'd call it a________?
------------- ~Bryan 72 gts h-code (formal roof) 67falcon 04 f250 ''the great white''
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Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 06-March-2014 at 3:05AM
Bryan, what about just looking for a 5 speed? Plentiful, relatively cheap, great ratios, better performance, same look, bolts right up to your engine, and better gas mileage. Win, win, win.
------------- Joe 1972 Mom's Squire Wagon 1972 Torino Wagon 1976 Torino 1968 Cougar XR7-First batch 1972 Torino 460 1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous Popeye and Brutus (Rams)
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Posted By: Grantorinosport351
Date Posted: 06-March-2014 at 3:41AM
What cars do they come in? 90's mustangs?
------------- ~Bryan 72 gts h-code (formal roof) 67falcon 04 f250 ''the great white''
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Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 06-March-2014 at 5:34AM
1983-up to 1995 Mustangs are the most plentiful. Try to stay with the Fox body or 1994-1995 versions. The last two actually have a better fit, as the shifter is a tad further back.
------------- Joe 1972 Mom's Squire Wagon 1972 Torino Wagon 1976 Torino 1968 Cougar XR7-First batch 1972 Torino 460 1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous Popeye and Brutus (Rams)
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Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 06-March-2014 at 11:37AM
Bell housing might be an issue, depending on what engine he has.
------------- Paul 77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500
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Posted By: Grantorinosport351
Date Posted: 06-March-2014 at 1:13PM
Hey joe? Do you have a 5 speed that came with one of your stangs?
------------- ~Bryan 72 gts h-code (formal roof) 67falcon 04 f250 ''the great white''
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Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 06-March-2014 at 1:31PM
This page has basic T5 info to get you started. http://www.allfordmustangs.com/Detailed/349.shtml P.S. avoid camaro/firebird T5. They're weird(angled mounts)
------------- "What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds?
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Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 06-March-2014 at 3:27PM
Bryan, I do have the 4.6/5 speed, but it is going in the red wagon. The other 5 speed T5 is going in my 4 speed car.
If you are running a 302, any of the 5 speeds I listed above will work. The Fox bodies are cable clutch systems, not hydraulic like later models.
------------- Joe 1972 Mom's Squire Wagon 1972 Torino Wagon 1976 Torino 1968 Cougar XR7-First batch 1972 Torino 460 1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous Popeye and Brutus (Rams)
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Posted By: Grantorinosport351
Date Posted: 06-March-2014 at 4:05PM
Thanks big bird, I've notice you changing you emblem a lot lol.
Joe, if you locate one of those trannys, let me know!
------------- ~Bryan 72 gts h-code (formal roof) 67falcon 04 f250 ''the great white''
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Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 07-March-2014 at 2:41AM
Craigslist, my friend, Craigslist. They are pretty common here and run anywhere from $100-$300. I'm sure Texas is loaded with them.
------------- Joe 1972 Mom's Squire Wagon 1972 Torino Wagon 1976 Torino 1968 Cougar XR7-First batch 1972 Torino 460 1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous Popeye and Brutus (Rams)
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Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 08-March-2014 at 11:59AM
Never even seen one in person.. I ended up with a TKO since getting a used one here would be $200 + $300-400 ebay price + rebuild...... meh.
------------- Paul 77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD* 78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1 79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1 'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500
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