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Base model Torino CJ/4spd project *update*

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Topic: Base model Torino CJ/4spd project *update*
Posted By: MrSmog
Subject: Base model Torino CJ/4spd project *update*
Date Posted: 05-February-2016 at 6:57AM
yanked the starter off to check block ID, shows to be the cobra jet block, has 2v heads and a 70 351 4v intake. I think swappin over to the 2v heads was a good street hop up to regain some power down low and pretty common to do. I have never played around with clevelands before, always 351 windsors or 429's.










I'm a little corn-fused, why does it say "0" with these paint/trim codes and then shows 561 with that paint code?


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.



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Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 05-February-2016 at 11:13AM
Originally posted by MrSmog MrSmog wrote:

yanked the starter off to check block ID, shows to be the cobra jet block, has 2v heads and a 70 351 4v intake. I think swappin over to the 2v heads was a good street hop up to regain some power down low and pretty common to do. I have never played around with clevelands before, always 351 windsors or 429's. 
2v heads with a factory 4v intake should have a serious port mis-match...
Shouldn't help performance at all. There are/were aftermarket 4v intakes for 2v heads.


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Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 05-February-2016 at 11:21AM
" I'm a little corn-fused, why does it say "0" with these paint/trim codes and then shows 561 with that paint code? "

 i was wondering the same thing!???


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 05-February-2016 at 11:45AM
Originally posted by Big Bird Big Bird wrote:

Originally posted by MrSmog MrSmog wrote:

yanked the starter off to check block ID, shows to be the cobra jet block, has 2v heads and a 70 351 4v intake. I think swappin over to the 2v heads was a good street hop up to regain some power down low and pretty common to do. I have never played around with clevelands before, always 351 windsors or 429's. 
2v heads with a factory 4v intake should have a serious port mis-match...
Shouldn't help performance at all. There are/were aftermarket 4v intakes for 2v heads.


Exactly what I was thinkin, I know people run em this way, but if i end up keepin or swappin this drivetrain into another body, it will get a edelbrock performer or similar for the 2v heads for sure.

Another thing thats puzzles me is the 45 for the engine/trans combo and 20 for the rallye equipment group. To get the 351cj you had to get the rallye equipment group, so shouldn't the number for the rallye equipment group be higher, even if some people opted for another engine (351 2v/302/429) instead of the 351cj as a downgrade/upgrade option?


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: GTW
Date Posted: 05-February-2016 at 1:06PM
i know the 4 speed was included in the Rallye Equipment Group, and I don't think the CJ was.

Also, put me in the "that car is too rare to not restore" camp.

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1973 Gran Torino station wagon
1971 Maverick 2 Door
1994 Mark VIII
Retired 60s NHRA Anglia


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 05-February-2016 at 1:19PM
Originally posted by GTW GTW wrote:

i know the 4 speed was included in the Rallye Equipment Group, and I don't think the CJ was.

Also, put me in the "that car is too rare to not restore" camp.


I was goin off this, check out the way things are worded for the rallye group "Rallye Equipment Group (Includes 351 CID 4V 8‑cylinder, four‑speed manual transmission, competition suspen�sion with rear stabilizer bar, G70 x 14 wide oval belted B/ WL tires with 6" wide rims and instrumentation group.) (Available only on 2‑door models. Also, 429 CID 4V engine and Cruise‑O‑Matic transmission available at extra cost. N.A. with electric clock or on Gran Torino Brougham.)"

http://grantorinosport.org/73torino04.htm


If the body wasn't so shot, I'd agree but its not cost effective for me to try and fix this one. I'll have to take some good pics of the body and you'll see what I mean. Yes I know it can be saved with enough money thrown at it, but even if I had it to spend on a "toy", I wouldn't do it. All I want is a nice rust free 4spd driver.  If someone wants to trade me a solid, good runnin and drivin 4spd torino or ranchero for this one, i'd be open to it.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: torinojon
Date Posted: 05-February-2016 at 3:35PM
the rallye equipment group was a combination of things for the 351cj or 429 auto.no 4 speed with 429.the package was 351 cj, 4speed, competition  suspension with rear stabilizer bar instrumentation group and g70 or h70 tires.this was 442.37 for base torino and gran torino.the 429 got the c6 auto not the 4speed at no extra cost.so that group package was not on all 351 cj 4 speed cars.

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Posted By: torinojon
Date Posted: 05-February-2016 at 3:38PM
just a heads up.just because you see a 351 block with the dash ca dose not mean 4bolt main.i seen it as a 2 bolt and a 4 bolt.the date says it should be a 4bolt main. 

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Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 05-February-2016 at 3:43PM
Originally posted by torinojon torinojon wrote:

the rallye equipment group was a combination of things for the 351cj or 429 auto.no 4 speed with 429.the package was 351 cj, 4speed, competition  suspension with rear stabilizer bar instrumentation group and g70 or h70 tires.this was 442.37 for base torino and gran torino.the 429 got the c6 auto not the 4speed at no extra cost.so that group package was not on all 351 cj 4 speed cars.


ahh ok, so it was possible to get the 351cj/4sp in a base without the rallye pkg.

Yea I know Ford used whatever they had on hand as far as 2 and 4 bolt mains, I have heard other stories of mix matched engines etc in Fords back then.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: torinojon
Date Posted: 06-February-2016 at 3:22AM
if it was a factory 4bolt it got it.if it was a 2bolt motor it got it.im just saying that the dash ca blocks came both ways.if your looking at a motor to buy you would need to pull the pan to check the mains if it had no heads. the date code on your motor is in the date of build so it should be 4 bolt but with the other parts change i would pull the pan anyways. check the back of the block for a vin stamp to see if its the motor to the car.

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Posted By: Regul8r
Date Posted: 06-February-2016 at 4:22PM
I like THIS report. it shows the REAL numbers.
 
only 45 Base model 72 Torino's EVER came with the Q-Code/4-spd
 
only 20 Base model 72 Torino's EVER came with the Rallye Equipment
 
only 6(is that what is says?) Base model 72 Torino's EVER came with this color AND trim package
 
so the other report will show that your car...
20,000(example) 72 Base Model Torinos were made
45 with this engine/tranny
OF THAT ONLY
(20 or less) came with the Rallye Group(the number 20 is TOTAL that came, so maybe 12? of those 20 were in the 45 with that engine/tranny) 
OF THAT ONLY
(less than 6) came in this color/trim(the number 6 is TOTAL that came, so maybe 1 or 2? of those 6 were in the 45 with that engine/tranny and the 12 or so that were that color/trim) 
OF THAT ONLY
1 came with the special order gear ratio...
YOURS IS THAT CAR 
 
you SERIOUSLY have the ULTIMATE HOLY GRAIL OF 72 Torinos!!
More rare than ANY of the 72 Gran Torinos!
LESS of your car came out of the factory than the factory 50 or so Ram Air set ups in the 72 Gran Torino/Rancheros!!!
 
Time to dig in and check the block for any VIN IDs!
Original engine would make it even more AWESOME!
I would rebuild it. it will take a ton of work but it would be worth it in the long run.
 
IF I had the cash I would be making an offer and then rebuilding it!
I have seen some pretty far gone rot boxes get fixed!
 


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97 Suzuki Intruder 1400
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Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 06-February-2016 at 5:10PM
Thats not a "6" on that paint trim codes, its a "0", which i am not sure what that means? I'll try to get some pics tomorrow of the rot, its pretty nasty, especially in the cowl/door jamb area. I guess I can always park it out back, use the drivetrain or just the 4spd part of it in a driver until I hit the lotto and just want to throw truck loads of money at it lol    unless someone wants to trade a solid 4 spd torino/ranchero driver for it or make me an offer i can't refuse?


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: dave302
Date Posted: 06-February-2016 at 8:03PM
There is a 74 for sale with the drivetrain that you are looking for (not original). The seller did not say what year the engine is though. If you want to see it http://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/cto/5390820816.html" rel="nofollow - Click here.


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 07-February-2016 at 3:14AM
Originally posted by dave302 dave302 wrote:

There is a 74 for sale with the drivetrain that you are looking for (not original). The seller did not say what year the engine is though. If you want to see it http://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/cto/5390820816.html" rel="nofollow - Click here.


not bad at all, the west coast has all the deals on them it seems. I had seen a nice solid and runnin 72 and 73 rancheros for a package price of 4500 in wa state. Here close to me, they have rusted out junk and want $5k for em  lol 


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: dave302
Date Posted: 08-February-2016 at 3:32AM
Originally posted by MrSmog MrSmog wrote:

I guess I can use the drivetrain or just the 4spd part of it in a driver.
There is one for sale which had originally came with a 351C 4V and a 4 speed transmission. Now it has a 351M 2V with a 3 speed automatic transmission.
I think that the seller wrote that the 4 speed pedals (clutch and brake) are still installed in it. And it has the factory tach and rear end in it. He said that it does run. If you want to see it http://stillwater.craigslist.org/pts/5383625021.html" rel="nofollow - Click here.


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 08-February-2016 at 4:09AM
Originally posted by dave302 dave302 wrote:

Originally posted by MrSmog MrSmog wrote:

I guess I can use the drivetrain or just the 4spd part of it in a driver.
There is one for sale which had originally came with a 351C 4V and a 4 speed transmission. Now it has a 351M 2V with a 3 speed automatic transmission.
I think that the seller wrote that the 4 speed pedals (clutch and brake) are still installed in it. And it has the factory tach and rear end in it. He said that it does run. If you want to see it http://stillwater.craigslist.org/pts/5383625021.html" rel="nofollow - Click here.


price is right but thats a crusty one. Good thing is, there are PLENTY of these cars around from coast to coast. I missed out on a rust free 1973 base model in id for 1600, perfect interior, body had some dents but not a pinhole of rust ANYWHERE. Was all original down to the dog dish hub caps, but just a hair too late to the game. heres a few decent rancheros I have found, but I'd like to hold out for a 73 formal roof car if possible. I got plenty of time to put one together and there is no shortage of these cars, just a shortage of realistic prices on them. I guess we can Thank Starsky and Hutch and Clint Eastwood for that lol

http://maine.craigslist.org/cto/5438509034.html
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/5438531899.html
http://yakima.craigslist.org/cto/5438088090.html
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/5431678457.html


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: dave302
Date Posted: 08-February-2016 at 5:02AM
There is another one for sale but it is a gran model. The seller needs to sell it fast, so he might even lower the price. If you want to see it http://eastoregon.craigslist.org/pts/5416398359.html" rel="nofollow - Click here.


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 08-February-2016 at 4:02PM
that one in portland looks like a pretty good car, if you are serious about it, let me know... i live about an hour north of there! Wink

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 08-February-2016 at 5:07PM
Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

that one in portland looks like a pretty good car, if you are serious about it, let me know... i live about an hour north of there! Wink


Thanks I appreciate that. I have had a Ranchero and several El Caminos over the years. I'm Really tryin hard to find a 73 Torino formal roof but when I get tired of lookin for exactly what I want, I may just put a nice solid Ranchero together. That one does look nice, would look slick with the base model front end setup on it. I found a 73 fastback not too far from me, but little bit crustier then I'd like to mess with. It would look good with that base front end too. So if the right fastback comes along, i may just do that. I been busy buyin vehicles to part out the last few days. Got a nice 87 gt mustang yesterday and gonna pick up a 97 v8 explorer 4wd tomorrow.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: dave302
Date Posted: 19-February-2016 at 3:21PM
There is a car for sale, but the seller did not say if it is a two door or four door though. If you want to see it http://forum.grantorinosport.org/1973-torino_topic14776_post154743.html#154743" rel="nofollow - Click here.


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 16-March-2016 at 5:11PM
*Update*

Went and got a 73 fastback today,extremely solid and near rust free body (by eastern standards needs some floor pan/trunk pan/minor trunk weatherstrip flange work, but thats about it). So looks like I'll build a base version of a 73 fastback. I'll put some pics up of the fastback when i get some time.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 17-March-2016 at 12:36AM
Congratulations! Those parts are ready whenever you need them.

Just a thought - After you pull what you need off the '73 Formal, you should put it up on CL for sale as a shell with a good title. There may be someone around that wants to restore it to it's original state. I know it's rusty, but there are parts available for someone with that want to build it.

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1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
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Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 17-March-2016 at 4:08AM
Originally posted by unlovedford unlovedford wrote:

Congratulations! Those parts are ready whenever you need them.

Just a thought - After you pull what you need off the '73 Formal, you should put it up on CL for sale as a shell with a good title. There may be someone around that wants to restore it to it's original state. I know it's rusty, but there are parts available for someone with that want to build it.



Thanks, as soon as I get caught up on a few things around here (also known as the never endin list) the next couple days, i can probably head over your way to get that stuff. I think its only a 4 hr ride. I plan to swap all the man steerin/perf suspension parts/ralleye package/base model specific trim over to the fastback and remove every bit of the "sport stuff". There won't be much if any of the "good stuff' left on the formal roof. I'll put it out back up high on blocks, maybe I'll use it next year for a deer stand lol 

The fastback is a AC car, don't know if I'll just leave the ac box and controls in or if I'll find a donor firewall (not gonna cut my formals up) from a non ac car and do it up that way. I'd rather do the latter just to clean up the engine compartment.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 02-April-2017 at 10:17AM


ok another *update*.   Since my back has gotten worse, I just can't rebuild these cars out in a barn layin on the ground like I used to. So the search was on for a very solid base model car that i could basically drive as is. went and got this yesterday, its a 73 302/c4 base model with only 37k miles, been garage kept its entire life. I'm the 3rd owner and the guy i got it from only put 3k miles on it in the last few years. It has dings, scratches and minor oopsies but is as original a car as I have seen. Has new tires on it that look great, but they were new in 1979 lol  Plans for it now are minor. 80's ford am/fm cassette and some new speakers, pertronix to replace the points and a set of tires. My father's health isn't the greatest, so i'd simply like to cruise a lot this summer with him. after I get a shop with a lift put up, then i'll build a correct 73 351cj and swap the car over to the 4cpd/comp suspension/ralleye pkg and race it at the pure stock drags. This car even has a rubber floor, I hope I can source one for a 4 spd when the times comes. I couldn't put a car together this nice for anywhere near what I paid for it.



















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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: torino335
Date Posted: 02-April-2017 at 12:18PM
wow,thats looks to be in very good condition,


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 02-April-2017 at 12:31PM
Clap you got your car finally! Thumbs Up damn that is in nice condition!!!!


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 02-April-2017 at 2:06PM
yea its in very good shape, still has most of the factory paint on the frame and suspension. Its never had any paint or body work but I may try to get a few places spotted in for added protection.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: torino335
Date Posted: 02-April-2017 at 3:01PM
got a question mr smog wasnt all 351 cj 4 bolt main? never seen one with 2 bolt main,


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 02-April-2017 at 3:20PM
Nice car, very clean! 

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1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 02-April-2017 at 3:22PM
Originally posted by torino335 torino335 wrote:

got a question mr smog wasnt all 351 cj 4 bolt main? never seen one with 2 bolt main,


I'm FAR from a expert on clevelands but from what I have "read", they(cobra jets only) are supposed to all be 4 bolt main, but ford used what ford had on hand at times. 4 bolt mains aren't really anything special other then bein able to say "I got 4 bolt mains". They are supposed to be a bit stronger but I question that.  when I build a motor up for the pure stocks I am gonna use whatever I have on hand, hopefully I'm able to find a block with a primo standard bore. I think bore condition and size are more important then 4 bolt main with clevelands and what little I have learned about them.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: torinojon
Date Posted: 02-April-2017 at 3:47PM
nice car buddy.all 4 bolt main blocks start of as 2 bolts.you can take a 2 bolt block and drill it for 4 bolt mains.so if you need a date code block look at 2v motors.all you need is the main caps to do it...

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Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 02-April-2017 at 3:52PM
no way to know if it's a 4 bolt block until you drop the pan. D2AE-CA came out of the factory machined as both 2 bolts & 4 bolts
i had a 2 bolt D2AE-CA nothing wrong with that Thumbs Up
 
i wonder if the engine is a 2V transplant wearing the original 4V intake?
 
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Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 02-April-2017 at 4:32PM
Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

no way to know if it's a 4 bolt block until you drop the pan. D2AE-CA came out of the factory machined as both 2 bolts & 4 bolts
i had a 2 bolt D2AE-CA nothing wrong with that Thumbs Up
 
i wonder if the engine is a 2V transplant wearing the original 4V intake?
 
http://s178.photobucket.com/user/tinman351/media/351Cassembly_zpsge0oouku.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">


yea the 4 spd cars engine will probably turn out to be a plain old 72-74 2v. at first I thought maybe someone had swapped the 2v heads onto the stock bottom end because I think i recall guys doin that years ago to pick up some bottom end power, but more likely it's just a 2v engine.  If it turns out to be a 72 2v engine, would it have flat tops or dished like the 73-74 motors? I can raise compression 1.5 points per the pure stock rules, so that will put me right at 9.5-1. I need to find a small dome piston that will give me that with the stock 73 open cj head. I'd rather not cut the head at all if i can help it. I wouldn't mind findin a 8" center section with some 3.25,3.40 or 3.55 gears to help perk the 302 up for now.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 08-April-2017 at 1:22PM
put a new aftermarket stereo dash speaker and mid 80's am/fm cassette in the car today. made me a bit nervous yankin on that dash pad and then shovin it back into place, but all went well. Also took out the shoulder belts so they don't dangle and flop around anymore. sat in the car listenin to old cassettes I had made back in high school and made it halfway through one when the cassette player stopped workin lol  I'll build a spare cassette radio up with a new belt and the faceplate I want and swap it out for this one one day. Just happy to have more then am right now. My fm modulator usb player works perfectly though with the radio, best 5.00 i ever spent on ebay.






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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 08-April-2017 at 3:13PM
cool! umm the tape didn't get caught in there and unravel did it? damn cassettes were famous for that!! lolConfused


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 08-April-2017 at 4:19PM
Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

cool! umm the tape didn't get caught in there and unravel did it? damn cassettes were famous for that!! lolConfused


nah, i bet the damn belt broke. it was playin a lil odd and then before it popped the cassette out it slowed right down to a stop (music speed I mean). They are easy to replace on them as they have a plate that covers the belt drive, just need to source the right belt.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 08-April-2017 at 4:43PM
yep, BTW rubberbands don't work!! ask me how i know LOL


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 08-April-2017 at 5:09PM
Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

yep, BTW rubberbands don't work!! ask me how i know LOL


yea I have a spare radio, I'll take the belt out and see if I can get the correct size and a source. they are great radios when they play, have a lot of sound for a stocker too. I'd like to find one with the all white letters on the faceplate so it better matches the stock gauges. The later ones have a blue and orange line on the faceplate but also usually have a power antenna wire which is good to run to a amp with some low level/rca adapters, lets you run a sub or power some higher end speakers nicely.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: kychevyguy
Date Posted: 09-April-2017 at 2:28PM
That is one nice and clean looking car.

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Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 09-April-2017 at 2:47PM
Originally posted by kychevyguy kychevyguy wrote:

That is one nice and clean looking car.


thanks, it was the nicest one I saw that hadn't been re-done. The cynic in me just doesn't trust shiny new paint  lol

I'm tryin to find a 8" center section with some 3.25, 3.40 or 3.55 gears for a decent price if you run across or have one. pep the 302 up since i'll probably drive it that way for a couple years.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 26-April-2017 at 10:52AM



Don't you wish they all looked this way when you take the rims off? puttin a set of 225/70/14 hankooks on the car, the wheels haven't been off since 1979 when the 2nd set of tires was put on the car. Those tires look like new but I just don't trust them no matter how good they look. not too mention they have flat spots you can feel goin down the road. Got the rears on today, when i get the fronts done tomorrow i'll throw pics up.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: torino335
Date Posted: 26-April-2017 at 11:24AM
thats very clean,i checked to see if i still had a 3.25 center section for you,but i quess it grew legs and walked off,


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 26-April-2017 at 1:38PM
Originally posted by torino335 torino335 wrote:

thats very clean,i checked to see if i still had a 3.25 center section for you,but i quess it grew legs and walked off,



hey thanks for checkin. Beer


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 26-April-2017 at 2:50PM
Very clean.  If the rest of your car is that clean, please share some more pics of the undercarriage and suspension.  Would be great for people restoring these cars.

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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car


Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 26-April-2017 at 3:31PM
Jim, the red wagon has a 3.25 8 inch rear. Checked last week. I figured it had to be a decent gear with that 250 and 3 speed manual.

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Joe
1972 GTSquire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous
Popeye and Brutus (Rams)


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 26-April-2017 at 3:57PM
LOL I'm Bob, although it seems I get called Jethro a lot lol   I sent you a pm. Thanks for checkin




This car is clean, no cream puff museum piece, but pretty clean. when I run across things that are nice and still have factory paint/markins on them I'll take pics and add them here. Like you say, might come in handy to see how things were when new. the car sat from 1983 or 84 until the guy I got it from got it about 4 years ago. The original owner and his wife were up there in age, so family drove them where they needed to go. Guy i got it from was a family friend of theirs and He had the fuel tank boiled out, carb rebuilt (which still needs some adjustment), new fuel pump, flushed lines, new sendin unit (which reads 1/4 low) and a few other minor things. It was kept in a very small garage, so it has some scratches and little dings from things fallin over, bumpin into it etc looks like they backed into somethin as well, has a small dent on the very top of the valance and a very light scrub mark on the rear bumper. It had a passenger mirror on it that looks like it caught the garage as they pulled in or out. so I am gonna have to address that and might have to try one of those paintless dent repair places to get that better. Its minor but I'd still like it a bit better then I think i can do before I put another mirror on it. I'd like to have a few places painted as well, front lower fenders behind tires, rear qtrs behind tires. Have them painted from body line down and just the small sections. Basically some small spot repairs to ensure they don't turn into a problem down the road.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 26-April-2017 at 4:31PM
Jethro

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: gpd294
Date Posted: 27-April-2017 at 3:13AM
Now that's a NICE base model Torino. I seem to remember one for sale similar to this one, but they were asking close to $20K....Not trying to get in your business, but is this that car?
I remember because I saw the spotless original vinyl seat upholstery and wished someone reproduced it so I could have done my wagon that way. Our original wagon was a base model Blue Torino and a non-A/C 302 V-8. Talk about bringing back memories. That car is the exact looking sedan equivalent. Wow!
I opted for vinyl/tweed upholstery instead being I'm in Texas and it gets pretty HOT here, but it would be nice to have the original seat coverings so my kids can feel what I felt as a kid....LOL! Ouch LOL
 
Great looking car! Wink


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Carlos....1975 Gran Torino Squire Station Wagon restored to look like a 1973 Torino Station

Wagon my Dad bought new from McAnary Ford on June 6, 1973 in Gary,Indiana


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 27-April-2017 at 3:47AM
Originally posted by gpd294 gpd294 wrote:

Now that's a NICE base model Torino. I seem to remember one for sale similar to this one, but they were asking close to $20K....Not trying to get in your business, but is this that car?
I remember because I saw the spotless original vinyl seat upholstery and wished someone reproduced it so I could have done my wagon that way. Our original wagon was a base model Blue Torino and a non-A/C 302 V-8. Talk about bringing back memories. That car is the exact looking sedan equivalent. Wow!
I opted for vinyl/tweed upholstery instead being I'm in Texas and it gets pretty HOT here, but it would be nice to have the original seat coverings so my kids can feel what I felt as a kid....LOL! Ouch LOL
 
Great looking car! Wink


Thanks.  No this one was one for sale up in pa. the guy had his daughters boyfriend list it once but once that ad ran out, he didn't know how to renew the ad and didn't want to bother the kid again. so it sat unlisted since last summer. I had my eye on it since then but didn't have the play money until this spring. it was much much less then $20k Wink


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 27-April-2017 at 9:59AM
Put some window cranks in the car as well, they are the cheapies off ebay, we'll see how they hold up but for 5.31 each shipped to my door, i'll give em a shot. They look white but are a clear type knob.




Put the new front tires on today, I think I might have a sticky caliper on the passenger side, hopefully it just needs a few miles under its belt but sure seemed awful tight when I spun it. When the sun goes down i'll wash it up and get a pic of the new skins.




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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: 72GTS351CJ
Date Posted: 27-April-2017 at 11:58AM
Hey Bob, I must have missed that one on c.l. I'm always searching ny,nj,and pa.. I would have snatched that one up. Looks great. Happy you got it

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72GTS Clint Eastwood Special                                     


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 27-April-2017 at 1:15PM
yea the fact he was internet clumsy helped me this time lol  New skins!!!!






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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: 72GTS351CJ
Date Posted: 27-April-2017 at 1:46PM
Nice!!!!!! What a sleeper that would make

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72GTS Clint Eastwood Special                                     


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 27-April-2017 at 2:22PM
Originally posted by 72GTS351CJ 72GTS351CJ wrote:

Nice!!!!!! What a sleeper that would make


Thanks, thats the idea too. I toy with the idea of a silver/blue laser stripe but just don't know if I want to dress this car up with one. I can't wait until the time is right to swap all the goodies off the 4spd/ralleye pkg car onto this one. Will take a week to get the perma-grin off my face first time i row through the gears on it.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 27-April-2017 at 2:34PM
Very nice car, thanks for posting more pics. It's nice to see a clean base model, so few have survived!

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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car


Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 27-April-2017 at 3:16PM
Sorry Bob. I had just been on the phone with a guy named Jim and it just transferred. I'll PM you.

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Joe
1972 GTSquire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous
Popeye and Brutus (Rams)


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 27-April-2017 at 3:53PM
Originally posted by unlovedford unlovedford wrote:

Sorry Bob. I had just been on the phone with a guy named Jim and it just transferred. I'll PM you.


I'm not picky what I go by, as long as they don't call me late for dinner i'm fine lol


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: lynchster
Date Posted: 27-April-2017 at 3:58PM
That is a sharp looking car.
Ironically that's about the look I'm going for with my Sport.

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Chuck
72 Gran Torino Sport
91 F-150


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 27-April-2017 at 5:23PM
are those 14's or 15's?


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 28-April-2017 at 12:48AM
Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

are those 14's or 15's?


225/70/14's  hankook optimas      328.00 shiped to my door


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 28-April-2017 at 1:04AM
What a beautiful car
Is that still the original paint?

I think you should keep it as original as possible!

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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 28-April-2017 at 3:39AM
Originally posted by Torino_Chris Torino_Chris wrote:

What a beautiful car
Is that still the original paint?

I think you should keep it as original as possible!


Thanks and Yea thats the original paint, although I wonder if they painted it all at once when new or if they painted it in pieces, because I do notice some color variation on some panels. I don't see any sign of any sort of repaint though which makes me tend to think its simply factory mis match. I plan to basically keep it looking exactly as it is now inside and out, just swap my 351cj/4spd and other factory performance goodies onto it.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 04-December-2017 at 1:24PM
finally got around to start to yank parts off the red fastback, its the car that has all sorts of things chromed on it. The rear sway bar and gas tank straps were no exception thankfully. the chrome doesn't look too hot nowadays but it did protect all the parts from corrosion. Looks to have had a new gas tank put on it at some point as well as nos tail pipes, nos muffer hangers (which were also chromed), even the brake lines and brake backin plates are chrome. Most of the bushins on this car are like new and factory ford stuff. I plan to use the poly graphite stuff. Majority of bolts seem to be loose on this stuff too and most of those have been chromed as well. Not sure who had that red fastback but they were doin some serious chromin. Now to try and get all this chrome off this stuff so it can all be painted. Confused










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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 04-December-2017 at 5:10PM
doesn't look like they did a very good chrome job to me? idaho forest products? i hauled a couple loads out of there a few years back! Shocked


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 04-December-2017 at 5:35PM
Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

doesn't look like they did a very good chrome job to me? idaho forest products? i hauled a couple loads out of there a few years back! Shocked


car came from nashville, no idea how long ago this was all done, mid 80's I'm guessin. It probably saved all those brackets and end links though. LOL


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: lynchster
Date Posted: 09-December-2017 at 6:26PM
Originally posted by MrSmog MrSmog wrote:

finally got around to start to yank parts off the red fastback, its the car that has all sorts of things chromed on it. The rear sway bar and gas tank straps were no exception thankfully. the chrome doesn't look too hot nowadays but it did protect all the parts from corrosion.




I have the same damned problem with mine! Someone chromed the rear sway bar, hardware, the radiator brackets, and the fan pulley.
I wound up snapping one of my factory links for the bar so I'm thinking about just ordering a heavier Addco bar and calling it a day.

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Chuck
72 Gran Torino Sport
91 F-150


Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 10-December-2017 at 1:54AM
Mine was painted bright orange, and the driveshaft was Ford Blue.
I painted the sway bar black, but the driveshaft is still blue.


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The above post should be read in a "Grumpy Old Man" voice.
Almost forgot: "Get off my lawn!!!"
Randy
1979 T-Bird
2006 GMC Sierra


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 10-December-2017 at 3:16PM
This stuff will all be black when i'm done.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.



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