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Topic: Living with a '73 Sportsroof in Germany
Posted By: Torino_Chris
Subject: Living with a '73 Sportsroof in Germany
Date Posted: 04-August-2016 at 9:38PM
So as some of you already saw in the Welcome Area, I just bought a '73 GTS Sportsroof in the Netherlands.
It's in an alright condition but there is definitely some work to be done on it, which I'm looking forward to Thumbs Up

Right now I'm figuring out how I can bring it back to Germany, then I'll have it made ready for the german TÜV (which is like the MOT in the UK and...I don't know what you guys have in the US but anyway, in Germany it's a really big pain in the ass. You know...german thoroughness I guess Disapprove)

So I thought I'll start a progress thread as kind of a diary for me personally and anyone who's interested. As soon as I have any news I'll let you know.

Cheers! Beer

Also, if you haven't seen it yet:

 
Originally posted by Torino_Chris Torino_Chris wrote:

OMG I did it!! Shocked
This beauty is now officially mine. Isn't she gorgeous? I think so. Now I'll just have to wait for her to get ready for the german TÜV (Dead) and then we'll see where things will go.

Maybe I should open a thread in the project updates section? It's my first american classic and I'll document everything I'll do to it, even though I won't be able to make it such a big impressive project like many of you...

Oh, and please have a peek of course:






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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)



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Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 05-August-2016 at 5:16AM
Excellent!  So what all do you have to do to it?  I know in the U.K. its a pain.  Sold two Torino's to a guy there.  He does the repairs and MOT inspections for others over there.  Basically sent all new front suspension/steering/brakes over with the 73 sport.

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Mike


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 06-August-2016 at 9:42PM
It's not sure yet, they'll have to take a look at it when it's here and then we'll know for sure.
One thing that definitely needs to be done is a couple of bushings/rubber mounts that are completely hardened and cracked. And there will be a couple more things to do I'm guessing.
And a standard procedure is to convert the lights to meet german standards...



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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 07-August-2016 at 1:23PM
Very nice car!  Keep us posted on what repairs are needed after the inspection, I am sure we can help you out if needed. 

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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 07-August-2016 at 10:06PM
Thanks Vince, I will! Thumbs Up

And as a little bit of an update:
I'm currently organizing the transport from the Netherlands to Germany and I hope/expect that I'll get it here in the next few days. Then I can take some more pictures to show the true condition of the car before it travels on to Berlin, where a US Car Specialist friend of mine will take care of all the annoying must-do's for the TÜV.

Exciteeeed Star


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 09-August-2016 at 10:02PM
Right. Little update if you wanna call it that:
I'll have to wait a couple more days before we go pick it up on monday and then trailer it directly to Berlin.
As much as I would've loved to drive it myself, it was not possible to get a transit plate in the Netherlands since the car was never registered anywhere but in the US. Angry
But well, I'll try to take a few more photos before I'm away from it again and I'll have the guys at the shop take some shots of the first repairs if possible.


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: antlerfiend
Date Posted: 10-August-2016 at 3:12AM
Awesome, I found our that my ancestors came from Bavaria . I hope to come over and check it out someday. I hope that everything goes well for you getting it registered.

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Alex
72 GTS (Morgan's Baby)
68 CJ Drag Car Clone
65 Mustang (first car)
77 LTD II (Drag Car)
78 Mustang II V6 4 speed


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 10-August-2016 at 12:27PM
Originally posted by antlerfiend antlerfiend wrote:

Awesome, I found our that my ancestors came from Bavaria . I hope to come over and check it out someday. I hope that everything goes well for you getting it registered.
Alex, I thought you were polish!

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 17-August-2016 at 2:06AM
Right, the car is now in Berlin where it will be made ready for the german registration. Unfortunately we were late for the handing over, so the car was already on the trailer and the driver left as soon as I paid the seller. Managed to take a couple more photos at least, but nothing that shows the flaws yet Tongue

A bit of background info: It's a California car that was used there as a daily driver by a realtor from Los Angeles. Trying to get through to this guy to ask him about it and about where he got it from.
It was sold to the dutch guy in late 2015, then imported via Rotterdam but never used there. So it had to go and that's how I found it.

It's got a little bit of rust that I'll have to stop but nothing serious. Interior looks pretty good because the seats and headliner have been refreshed. No cracks in the dash, good steering wheel apart from a slightly loose...horn button? (sorry, I don't know all the correct terms in English yet LOL)

It's got some little spots here and there on the outside but that just shows it has been used and it gives it some charme and character in my opinion. Don't want it to look like it's a museum car. Smile The vinyl top is also new though, and it seems to have been repainted at some point.
More info on some issues I'll have to sort out soon.
 
Here's some more shots. Seems like you have to hover over the pics to see the info Ermm
Booty 8-)
Damaged rubber on the bumper
Cali Plates
Interior looking good
Quite clean from below as well
On the trailer with my buddys Mach I

Beer



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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: gpd294
Date Posted: 17-August-2016 at 3:23AM
Beautiful car...I hope you enjoy it as much as we do ours! Clap

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Carlos....1975 Gran Torino Squire Station Wagon restored to look like a 1973 Torino Station

Wagon my Dad bought new from McAnary Ford on June 6, 1973 in Gary,Indiana


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 17-August-2016 at 7:03AM
Thanks Carlos! I'm sure I will enjoy it a lot Big smile


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 17-August-2016 at 1:04PM
Wow, it looks Damn nice in those pics!

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 24-August-2016 at 9:19PM
Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

Wow, it looks Damn nice in those pics!


Thanks Johnny! Smile

Guess what I found in the mail today? Well, in the email, but anyway...my MARTI REPORT Approve


Tomorrow I'm visiting the car in the workshop, maybe I can come back with some more news and pictures then Thumbs Up


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 26-August-2016 at 8:58PM
Right, so I was in the workshop yesterday where I had hoped they'd have the car up on the hydraulic ramp so I could take a look from underneath. Turned out the car was sleeping under a cover in the corner because they're waiting for parts at the moment.

But at least I now know the complete list of what has to be done for gettnig it on german streets:
  •  small welding job on the floor (done already)
  • new brake hoses (done)
  • Lights conversion (done)
  • 1 new ball joint
  • new rubber bushings for the wishbone

Additionally it will of course get new motor oil and transmission oil check/fill up. Also a new valve cover gasket, which is leaky at the moment.

And then we'll hope it won't show any more issues for now when they make a thorough test drive.




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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 06-November-2016 at 7:59AM
It's finally here! After all the waiting my Torino is finally in my hands Smile
Unfortunately the weather is turning really bad now here in Germany, so I will put it into storage for the winter very soon. But I hope I can order some parts and make some small improvements meanwhile. I have driven it for about 500 miles now and runs perfectly and is just so much fun to drive! Heart

There are some issues that I want to address before next season:
  • The weatherstripping (is that what you call it?) between the doors and the side windows needs to be replaced
  • The carb is leaky -> straight to a new Edelbrock?
  • Replace one of the big hoses in the engine bay which is old and worn out, a coolant hose I think
  • probably get the radiator out and flush it

And we'll see, maybe more, maybe less. Depends on time, parts and money Smile


Original license plate holder from the dealer where it was first sold!Thats me. ;)




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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 06-November-2016 at 8:09AM
glad to hear it made the trip OK Big smile
if we're talking about the same weatherstrips, those between the side glass are very hard to find
 
what type of carb is on it now, which intake manifold?
Edelbrock carbs are kind of Geek but they work, a Holley will always run stronger but are a little more involved. also, either may not fit your stock air filter case


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 06-November-2016 at 8:16AM
Yes, I'm talking about the weatherstrips between the doors/body and the outside of the side windows... I already tried searching them online and I know what you mean... Confused So any suggestions are welcome!

The carb and intake are all stock at the moment, like everything on this car. From what I think I've learned so far (from reading) is that Edelbrocks are supposed to be easier/less fiddly with tuning etc than Holleys. But correct me if I'm wrong!


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 06-November-2016 at 9:06AM
Originally posted by Torino_Chris Torino_Chris wrote:

Edelbrocks are supposed to be easier/less fiddly with tuning etc than Holleys. But correct me if I'm wrong!
 
you have it right, but the Edelbrock carb does not include a kickdown linkage for the auto trans
 
you can source a Holley with the kickdown linkage already installed
 
so you have a factory 2 barrel carb & intake?
 
if you want easy just replace the carb with a suitable direct replacement, otherwise you're changing the intake manifold also
 
 


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 06-November-2016 at 9:14AM
do you mean the bottom of the windows? (felts) and the top of the windows to the roof? 
 try here: http://stores.ebay.com/Class-Tech-Cars?_dmd=1&_nkw=gran+torino" rel="nofollow - http://stores.ebay.com/Class-Tech-Cars?_dmd=1&_nkw=gran+torino


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 06-November-2016 at 9:23AM
Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

do you mean the bottom of the windows? (felts) and the top of the windows to the roof? 
 try here: http://stores.ebay.com/Class-Tech-Cars?_dmd=1&_nkw=gran+torino" rel="nofollow - http://stores.ebay.com/Class-Tech-Cars?_dmd=1&_nkw=gran+torino


Yes, bottom of the windows, where you put your left elbow when cruising Tongue
I guees I'd have to use this kit: http://www.ebay.com/itm/72-73-GRAN-TORINO-SPORT-FASTBACK-WINDOW-WEATHERSTRIP-/301876770963
Right?

Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

you have it right, but the Edelbrock carb does not include a kickdown linkage for the auto trans
 
you can source a Holley with the kickdown linkage already installed
 
so you have a factory 2 barrel carb & intake?
 
if you want easy just replace the carb with a suitable direct replacement, otherwise you're changing the intake manifold also



But couldn't I just get an additional linkage and install it myself, or is that much more expensive?
Yes, factory 2 barrel carb and intake as far as I know.

What would be a direct replacement for example?


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 06-November-2016 at 9:42AM
yes, those should be the correct ones. i got mine from him and i was happy with the fit and quality Big smile


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 06-November-2016 at 12:11PM
first i would rebuild your carb & change the gaskets on the EGR spacer plate under the carb before digging any deeper
 
George Holley said to Henry Ford that "90% of carb problems are electrical" ... what this means is that most of the time a suspected carb problem is not a carb problem, look at the ignition! your 1973 came with breaker points in the distributor, which need almost constant care to keep the engine running well
 
before or after but not at the same time (to eliminate any question of an error) install an 'ignitor module' to replace the breaker points & condenser
 
you'll notice a definite improvement over even a brand new perfectly adjusted set of points


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 06-November-2016 at 8:15PM
Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

first i would rebuild your carb & change the gaskets on the EGR spacer plate under the carb before digging any deeper
 
George Holley said to Henry Ford that "90% of carb problems are electrical" ... what this means is that most of the time a suspected carb problem is not a carb problem, look at the ignition!


Yep, that's how I would do it anyway Thumbs Up

Well, my carb problem is fuel leaking out, so I guess I can rule out the electrical part on that Embarrassed


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 07-November-2016 at 1:42AM
Chris, I have posted before that I have a 72 GTS with the same engine as you.  I went with an Edelbrock intake and a Holley 670 Street Avenger carb.  Easy setup and significant improvement over stock.  Holley carbs aren't that hard IMO.  The carb is jetted pretty good out of the box for a 400.  You do have to buy a Ford kick down kick, but it's just a few extra dollars and easy to install. If you plan to do a 4bbl upgrade anyway, might as well do it now, rather than rebuild the 2bbl.

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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 07-November-2016 at 6:52AM
X2! Out of all the carbs, i prefer a holley!! Simple to work on without having to remove the top each time but add a good inline filter!holley's don't like dirt particles

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 07-November-2016 at 10:21AM
Alright, so that sounds like I have to reconsider...thanks for the input!
I'll get the old carb out as a first step and then we'll see how to continue :)

I'm putting together a shopping list at the moment so I can get to work on some things while I can't drive. Can anyone tell me what this hose is called? It looks like I should replace it soon...



And here's closer look at the weatherstripping and the leaky carb (still installed):




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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 07-November-2016 at 11:04AM
That hose your pointing to I believe is the high pressure side of the air conditioning

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 12-November-2016 at 8:05AM
Thanks John!

Does anyone who's reading along have experience with removing old weatherstripping? I'm wondering if there is any trick or special technique to get it off without damaging the paint on the body...


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 12-November-2016 at 8:40AM
with the door panel off, roll the window down, look along the lower felt part...there should be small phillips screws holding it to the door, and it's clipped down through slots in the door. with the screws out, use a flat screw driver inside the door to push the molding/seal piece straight upwards.
yours should look similar to this:
Weatherstrip Door Sweep Felt Seal Front Outer Pair Set for Jeep Wagoneer Grand


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: 72GTS351CJ
Date Posted: 12-November-2016 at 10:51AM
Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

That hose your pointing to I believe is the high pressure side of the air conditioning
Low pressure. ...Small hose leaves the a/c compressor as a liquid and the large hose returns as a gas... Sorry C.J.... by far I'm a know it all

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72GTS Clint Eastwood Special                                     2012 "SHO" 


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 12-November-2016 at 11:01AM
not a problem! i'm no expert on a/c


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 12-November-2016 at 2:57PM
refrigerant can't leave the compressor as a liquid, liquid can't be compressed. IIRC it leaves the compressor as a super heated vapor and goes to the condenser where it cools & becomes less of a gas. the receiver/dryer or accumulator guarantees liquid delivery to the TXV or expansion orifice & the resulting gas flows through the evaporator ... then back to the compressor
compressor pressure goes to the front of the car, compressor suction comes from the plenum


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: 72GTS351CJ
Date Posted: 12-November-2016 at 3:56PM
^^^^^^^ yeah. ..what he said. ^^^^^

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72GTS Clint Eastwood Special                                     2012 "SHO" 


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 13-November-2016 at 2:40AM
Alright, so thanks to John I was now able to get the old weatherstrips off without trouble Smile

Turns out that the paper inlay behind the door panel on the passenger side wasn't so fresh anymore, while there was none at all on the driver's side:



Also removed these seals to give them a little care treatment. Does anyone know what these are called if you want to buy them new? 


Aaand I also got the carb out. It's a Motorcraft, I don't know if that was standard or if it's a standard replacement for the original?

The point where I got stuck today is how to access the rear side windows weatherstripping. I guess the interior panel has to come out? If so, does that work without removing the rear seats? Shocked I didn't want to risk breaking something, so I wanted to ask before I just try pulling it off like the ones on the doors...



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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 13-November-2016 at 5:27AM
chris: happy to help!
the seal thing you mention..is part of the door seal weatherstrip it's all one piece.

the carb is the original type.

the rear panel... it's not hard to remove the rear seat,shove back on the bottom of the bottom seat frame right at the carpet on both sides  push back and lift up (the frame of the seat hooks in these notches on the floor brace) once the bottom cushion is out there are two bolts for the upper seat back accessible where the bottom cushion was, remove them and the upper cushion lifts upward the top hooks on brackets at the top. the panel has two holes under the armrests that have 3/8" hex screws holding them on, and IIRC three wire spring panel clips along the front edge towards the door opening. it removes similar to the door panel Wink


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 13-November-2016 at 8:27AM
Now that I have the carb out I found some interesting details about it.

First and foremost, I think I can throw it away, because the leak was exactly on this edge, which is broken:



So although the gasket looked perfectly fine and was positionied perfectly, it still leaked fuel out there.
So going to a Holley becomes even more tempting now. Tongue

Another thing I wondered about is this line, that was only loosely connected and looks like it messed up the thread it bolts onto:


What line is that? Embarrassed


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 13-November-2016 at 8:35AM
Crack means it's time for a new one.
That line appears to be part of a hot-air choke.


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The above post should be read in a "Grumpy Old Man" voice.
Almost forgot: "Get off my lawn!!!"
Randy
1979 T-Bird
2006 GMC Sierra


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 13-November-2016 at 2:16PM
if thats just a chip off the edge and not a crack that runs down, you can clean it up, grind it out a bit and try some jb weld to fix it.


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 13-November-2016 at 2:31PM
that looks nasty, surprised it ever got installed from day 1
 
can't somebody send Chris a rebuildable or just a main body as a gift?
 
Chris look on your ebay for a 'ford 2100 carb'
 
http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_odkw=ford+2100&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xford+2100+carb.TRS0&_nkw=ford+2100+carb&_sacat=0" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_odkw=ford+2100&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xford+2100+carb.TRS0&_nkw=ford+2100+carb&_sacat=0  
 
notice the number on the side of the float bowl, 1.08, 1.14, 1.21, 1.23, 1.33 ... that's the size of the venturi, you want to get the same size you had or bigger, not smaller or much smaller anyway http://mustangtek.com/carburetors/FordCarburetors.htm" rel="nofollow - http://mustangtek.com/carburetors/FordCarburetors.htm


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 13-November-2016 at 2:54PM
Holley did make a direct replacement carb, list # 7508, they're not exactly easy to find nor are they any kind of performance upgrade.
just a Holley version of the stock 2100 rated 320 cfm
 
http://www.championcarburetor.com/6174-holley-ford-2300-replacement-carburetor-2v-320-cfm-remanufacturedbrfont-colordc143cblist-75081brbfont-p-10895.html?zenid=dc6297e48c8e07b0f7aa18f6d6ca181c" rel="nofollow - http://www.championcarburetor.com/6174-holley-ford-2300-replacement-carburetor-2v-320-cfm-remanufacturedbrfont-colordc143cblist-75081brbfont-p-10895.html?zenid=dc6297e48c8e07b0f7aa18f6d6ca181c
 
i don't know about this guy's zinc dip? looks like Eastwood carb paint to me
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Holley-350-list-7508-2-barrel-carb-rebuilt-/262716666218?hash=item3d2b22316a" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Holley-350-list-7508-2-barrel-carb-rebuilt-/262716666218?hash=item3d2b22316a
 
notice that the fuel inlet is in the same place as Ford so you don't have to jack around cutting & bending
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/holley-2-bbl-350-or-500cfm-pic-included.153780/" rel="nofollow - http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/holley-2-bbl-350-or-500cfm-pic-included.153780/
 
 


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 13-November-2016 at 3:27PM
I think he means upgrading to a 4-bbl Holley.  That's what I'd do, and that's what I did in my car and I am very happy with the results.
 
If you want a stock carb, you can get a remanufactured carb from RockAuto.  Just look up 1973 Torino, 400, and under Fuel/Air.  I know RockAuto is really good for international shipping, at least it is to Canada.
 
 


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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 13-November-2016 at 3:30PM
Originally posted by Torino_Chris Torino_Chris wrote:

Alright, so thanks to John I was now able to get the old weatherstrips off without trouble Smile

Turns out that the paper inlay behind the door panel on the passenger side wasn't so fresh anymore, while there was none at all on the driver's side:



Also removed these seals to give them a little care treatment. Does anyone know what these are called if you want to buy them new? 


Aaand I also got the carb out. It's a Motorcraft, I don't know if that was standard or if it's a standard replacement for the original?

The point where I got stuck today is how to access the rear side windows weatherstripping. I guess the interior panel has to come out? If so, does that work without removing the rear seats? Shocked I didn't want to risk breaking something, so I wanted to ask before I just try pulling it off like the ones on the doors...

 
Chris you can get the paper to make up new door weathershileds for you door from several restoration companies.  You'd have to make them though as I don't think anyone makes precut paper for these Torino's.   Or you can make up some new ones from plastic used for vapour barrier for a lot cheaper.  Modern cars use plastic. 


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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 13-November-2016 at 3:50PM
chris: if you're wanting another stock 2 bbl carb like that i have a good one off my car, that i'm not using! or contact steve__ gnrlee01 he has two aluminum 4 BBL intakes for a 400 he's wanting to sell


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 14-November-2016 at 1:07AM
Thanks for all the offerings guys! Smile

I'll have to think it all through and calculate the cost of an uprgade before I can decide whether to get a standard replacement or go with a 4bbl conversion. It's really just a question of money I think, I'd definitely love to upgrade Big smile
But with all the options of what to upgrade and what not it's still a little hard to decide. Intake, carb, timing gear, ignition, ... so many possibilities and it all has to work together and make sense Shocked



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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 14-November-2016 at 6:20AM
More progress made today! 
Again thanks to John for telling me how to get the rear bench seat out! Piece of cake Tongue



I got the panels off without problems and guess what: I found a little surprise present in there on the passenger side:



So I decided to look for something more valuable in the other spots but no luck LOL

Disassembled the driver's side as well:


So far so good, now I have to wait for the new material to arrive Smile

But while I have everything apart, I'd like to address some more issues of course...one of which is the rust obviously...Cry
And the other one is the two passenger side windows. The one on the door is really hard to crank and the one in the rear has some kind of alignment problem. It shifts its position on the way up and down, which results in the weatherstrip getting damaged by a screw on the inside of the body. Angry
Can I actually disconnect the metal panels that held the interior panels in place to access the window mechanisms?

By the way, when my spare parts finally ship I will also get the workshop manual, so I can look these things up myself and won't have to ask about every single thing anymore Embarrassed

Cheers Beer


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 14-November-2016 at 7:00AM
Check the window mechanism for any binding and relube it all! See if that helps! If you need any passenger side parts let me know, i have a regulator and all the tracks from a wrecked low mileage door (pass. Side only)

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 14-November-2016 at 11:05AM
Rockauto will charge about a $65 core, probably about a break-even in shipping 

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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 14-November-2016 at 3:23PM
Originally posted by Torino_Chris Torino_Chris wrote:

More progress made today! 
 
And the other one is the two passenger side windows. The one on the door is really hard to crank and the one in the rear has some kind of alignment problem. It shifts its position on the way up and down, which results in the weatherstrip getting damaged by a screw on the inside of the body. Angry
 
 
On the rear windows check there is a little nylon guide or roller (I forget now) that pops off the track sometimes.  It's not hard to put it back in place.  I usually don't open my rear windows period because they can damage the window felts.  If I do open them, if you guide them down as you open the windows you can prevent damage.  They aren't a good design and I know my dad said they never worked well even when the car was new.
 
As for your carburetor, if you plan on upgrading the carb at some point in the near future there is no point in spending money on a 2-bbl carb now.  Unless you can get one for cheap from another member, like California Johnny.  Also, like he mentioned there is a member with a couple of used intakes for a 400 which would save you a fair amount of money.
 
Here is some info on the stock carbs for these engines:
 
http://grantorinosport.org/BubbaF250/parts/parts06.html" rel="nofollow - http://grantorinosport.org/BubbaF250/parts/parts06.html
 
Here is an article that talks about a 400 Ford rebuild that compares a 2bbl vs 4bbl with dyno results.
 
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/1002clt-ford-400m-engine-rebuild/" rel="nofollow - http://www.hotrod.com/articles/1002clt-ford-400m-engine-rebuild/
 
 
 
 


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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car


Posted By: gnrlee01
Date Posted: 19-November-2016 at 12:41PM
yeah, ive got 2 edelbrock performer 4 barrel intakes for the 351M-400, i also have a complete high performance roller cam and timing set as well as a high volume oil pump and lifters and valve springs and 2 sets of pushrods all brand new never been opened for the 351m-400. if youre intested let me know. i know im not going to get what i paid for them and i cant use them at all now that i no longer have the car that they were intended for.


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74 gts 460/auto with factory sunroof


Posted By: gnrlee01
Date Posted: 19-November-2016 at 1:00PM
b.t.w, youre car is gorgeous!!! can i ask, how much did you get it for and how much did it cost to get it shipped from the previous owner to where youre at now?

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74 gts 460/auto with factory sunroof


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 20-November-2016 at 10:43PM
Thank you! Embarrassed

Well it was already in Europe. I bought it for 13.000 Euro from the guy who imported it to the Netherlands (but never drove it there). Then it went to the workshop in Berlin on a truck, which cost 400 Euro.
And after it was ready I picked it up there and drove it back home (~350miles) myself. Smile


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 15-December-2016 at 10:50PM
Some minor news for now: My parts arrived, yey Smile


And they even seem to fit LOL I haven't installed them yet because I want to take care of the window mechanisms and maybe some rust protection on the insides of the doors now that I have it all apart.

Neat detail: I now also have a dome lamp cover installed:


Another thing I did was soaking these seals in "oil loss stopper" liquid. Don't know what it's called in English, but you ususally add it to your engine oil, where it helps to recover seals that are hardened. The seals I soaked here were hard as stone, no way to bend them or anything. After the treatment they are nice and soft again Clap


I'd also like to correct this little problem here, but I have not found a way to get the lock out of the trunk yet...almost looks like that would be quite a pain in the *** Confused




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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 16-December-2016 at 6:26AM
TO GET THAT FLIPPER ASSEMBLY OFF, YOU JUST HAVE TO DRILL OUT THE TWO RIVETS HOLDING IT TO THE TRUNKLID.  The lock cylinder doesn't have to be removed.

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Mike


Posted By: fordpower
Date Posted: 16-December-2016 at 9:57AM
Is there a brand name for that stuff. Like to try that on my spare parts.


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 16-December-2016 at 10:27AM
hey chris: the part you took off of the door, they are part of the door seals (they just sepereated over time, mine were too)


 if you buy new door seals they will be part of it--all one piece. here's where i got mine:

  http://www.ebay.com/itm/72-73-74-75-76-TORINO-RANCHERO-DOOR-SEAL-WEATHERSTRIP-/300959396593" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.com/itm/72-73-74-75-76-TORINO-RANCHERO-DOOR-SEAL-WEATHERSTRIP-/300959396593



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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 17-December-2016 at 1:17AM
John, thanks for the tip, I'll think about that.

@fordpower: If you mean the seal recovery stuff, this is it: http://www.amazon.com/Liqui-Moly-2020-Motor-Saver/dp/B00CPL8WY8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481980459&sr=8-1&keywords=liqui+moly+oil+saver" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.com/Liqui-Moly-2020-Motor-Saver/dp/B00CPL8WY8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481980459&sr=8-1&keywords=liqui+moly+oil+saver

@mcford: Alright, no need to shout LOL


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 23-December-2016 at 11:18PM
So while I'm waiting for my workshop manual to arrive, which I need to figure out what else I'm going to do and what parts I'll need for it, there's another question I have.

Has anyone ever fixed a broken grille? Because mine looks like this:


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: stanman
Date Posted: 24-December-2016 at 12:09AM
I haven't done it myself but I know some of the other guys have carefully cut out the broken parts and replaced them with parts from a damaged grill. Once they get their lazy asses out of bed I'm sure they will be able to help you LOL.


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 24-December-2016 at 3:26AM
now that I'm up & out of bed i'll say about the same thing that Stan did. you can find another grill much like yours & do surgery using an appropriate adhesive &/or epoxy to replace the missing bars
 
when i had my 73 i cut all the small bars out to leave only the large bars, file & sand the cuts smooth and painted it Black to look much like the 1979 F series truck grill http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replace-FO1200109-Replacement-Grille-/232004672024?fits=Year%3A1979%7CMake%3AFord%7CModel%3AF-150&hash=item36048e5a18:g:bS4AAOSwXeJXfV9D&vxp=mtr" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replace-FO1200109-Replacement-Grille-/232004672024?fits=Year%3A1979%7CMake%3AFord%7CModel%3AF-150&hash=item36048e5a18:g:bS4AAOSwXeJXfV9D&vxp=mtr
 
if you think that's too open for debris to get in you can use a stylish hardware cloth behind the grill to keep the pelicans out, they even make the stuff in plastic now so it doesn't rust or corrode over time http://www.ebay.com/itm/Car-Truck-Mesh-Grille-Honeycomb-ABS-Plastic-Sport-Vent-Look-46-5-x15-5-Sheet-/161151769909?fits=Year%3A1979%7CMake%3AFord%7CModel%3AF-150&hash=item258564dd35:g:WdoAAMXQGQRSCecz&vxp=mtr" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Car-Truck-Mesh-Grille-Honeycomb-ABS-Plastic-Sport-Vent-Look-46-5-x15-5-Sheet-/161151769909?fits=Year%3A1979%7CMake%3AFord%7CModel%3AF-150&hash=item258564dd35:g:WdoAAMXQGQRSCecz&vxp=mtr
 
another appearance trick is to black out the turn indicators with Nightshades paint,
http://www.vhtpaint.com/specialty/vht-nite-shades/" rel="nofollow - http://www.vhtpaint.com/specialty/vht-nite-shades/
not sure if the TUV would appreciate that or if you've moved the indicators to the headlights?


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 24-December-2016 at 6:16AM
i may be able to get you a good grill


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 25-December-2016 at 12:19AM
Alright thanks for the input, guys! 
John, you've got a pm Smile

Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

 another appearance trick is to black out the turn indicators with Nightshades paint,
http://www.vhtpaint.com/specialty/vht-nite-shades/" rel="nofollow - http://www.vhtpaint.com/specialty/vht-nite-shades/
not sure if the TUV would appreciate that or if you've moved the indicators to the headlights?

How fitting that you mention it, because that would be my next question LOL
I don't want to change the appearance from the original, and you're right, the TÜV would certainly not like blacked out indicators...
But here's what I've been wondering: Where are the indicators originally on this car?? LOL Because the thing is..at the moment I don't have ANY indicators on the front Confused I have no idea how this could go through at the workshop AND at the TÜV inspection that was required to register it here! But there are no indicators working on the front. I already checked for blown fuses but they look alright, and on the rear the indicators work, so...weird! I'll have to check the bulbs and also if they are actually connected.



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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 25-December-2016 at 5:43AM
the original indicators are in the grill, middle row on either side, are the bulb socket pigtails still in them?
 
did you say this car had already been over there for some time and you bought it somewhat local?
 
if you turn on the indicator either / both directions, does the flasher operate and the dash indicator blink or does the dash indicator just stay lit solid?


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 25-December-2016 at 5:48AM
Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

the original indicators are in the grill, middle row on either side, are the bulb socket pigtails still in them?

The grill lights are just normal white lights on my car. They turn on together with the usual front lights.
 
Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

did you say this car had already been over there for some time and you bought it somewhat local?

Yes, it was imported to the Netherlands about a year ago and I bought it from that guy. But he never registered it there. 
 
Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

if you turn on the indicator either / both directions, does the flasher operate and the dash indicator blink or does the dash indicator just stay lit solid?

I don't remember, I'd have to check that. But right now the car sleeps in a friend's garage and the battery is removed...


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 25-December-2016 at 5:51AM
Originally posted by Torino_Chris Torino_Chris wrote:

Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

the original indicators are in the grill, middle row on either side, are the bulb socket pigtails still in them?

The grill lights are just normal white lights on my car. They turn on together with the usual front lights.
 
They are supposed to have yellow bulbs in them.

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The above post should be read in a "Grumpy Old Man" voice.
Almost forgot: "Get off my lawn!!!"
Randy
1979 T-Bird
2006 GMC Sierra


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 25-December-2016 at 6:19AM
if the dash indicators blink it's a good sign that the system is operating properly. if the dash indicators stay lit solid it means there's a bad bulb or trouble in the system.
 
Originally posted by M Casey Stock M Casey Stock wrote:



 



 
 
notice the white lenses on either side of the 1975 grill in the bottom 2 pics, similar to yours but bigger / smaller. the top 2 pics they are blacked out with NightShades product. http://www.vhtpaint.com/specialty/vht-nite-shades/%20" rel="nofollow - http://www.vhtpaint.com/specialty/vht-nite-shades/
they still illuminate through the NightShades paint but in the day they're 'blacked out', would the TUV have an issue if the signals still light & function properly? or do you need to move them to the headlights, in which case you could paint them over with any type of paint or remove them completely and use a custom grill
 
how long till you get back on the project?
 


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 25-December-2016 at 7:11AM
Originally posted by Big Bird Big Bird wrote:

They are supposed to have yellow bulbs in them.
 
1057A (Amber) if i recall correctly


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 25-December-2016 at 7:42AM
Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

Originally posted by Big Bird Big Bird wrote:

They are supposed to have yellow bulbs in them.
 
1057A (Amber) if i recall correctly
1157NA
1157 AMBER STOCK TAIL LIGHT REAR BRAKE STOP TURN SIGNAL LAMPS BULBS 1157NA x10


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 25-December-2016 at 9:59PM
Alright, thanks for the clarification all! 

@Rockatansky: I don't know where they draw the line at the TÜV, but I don't want to black them out anyway. I just want to convert them back to the original state. 
I'm not sure when I can get back to it, at the moment I'm still waiting for my workshop manual to arrive. I have a nice storage place for the car, where I can work on it as I like, but the thing is that it's a 20min drive from home and I always have to pack all my tools and stuff. So I try to always go there with as much to do as possible, and right now I'm tackling many things I haven't done before, so I want to wait for the manual to prepare a little beforehand. Smile


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 28-December-2016 at 2:55AM
Finally!! Big smile




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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: gnrlee01
Date Posted: 28-December-2016 at 1:34PM
they have the manuals on dvd? where did you get that and how much?




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74 gts 460/auto with factory sunroof


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 28-December-2016 at 8:31PM
Yeah, CD actually. I got mine here:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/73-Ford-Passenger-Car-Shop-Repair-Manual-6-Volumes-All-Model-CD-Rom-PDF-Disc-New-/351581967967?fits=Year%3A1973%7CModel%3ATorino&hash=item51dbeb165f:g:ovkAAOSwLzdWS9KP&vxp=mtr" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.com/itm/73-Ford-Passenger-Car-Shop-Repair-Manual-6-Volumes-All-Model-CD-Rom-PDF-Disc-New-/351581967967?fits=Year%3A1973%7CModel%3ATorino&hash=item51dbeb165f:g:ovkAAOSwLzdWS9KP&vxp=mtr

But you find them at Macs Auto Parts too for example :) 


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 29-December-2016 at 8:28AM
Today I went out there to start getting the old intake manifold out. Until I got stuck because it said in the manual that I had to pull the distributor out. Took me a while to figure where to unbolt it and especially how to access the stupid bolt with a tool, but eventually I got it. Only that I still did not pull the distributor because it just didn't move the slightest bit when I pulled and I wasn't sure if there's a trick or whatever.
The other problem was that the intake didn't move at all either. I suspect the manifold makes it sticky or something. Gotta figure out how to pull that off...



So that's where I stopped and went home to do some more research. And as far as I see it I don't actually have to pull the distributor, do I? I mean, it's not bolted onto the manifold and it's just a little bit in the way, so...

Apart from that I did my best to kind of label every freakin hose and line so I can remeber where to plug them into again later Confused That's one thing that kinda worries me because it's just a huge confusing maze to me.






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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 29-December-2016 at 9:02AM
351C, M & 400 you do not have to remove the distributor to change the intake manifold
 
it just presents a nice hole for things to fall into, and now you have to get it back in correctly
 
make sure the oil pump drive shaft is still in place at the bottom of the dizzy hole and stuff the hole with a rag Wink


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 29-December-2016 at 2:49PM
That manifold is heavy and sometimes you have to use a pry bar on the "bosses" of the intake to pop it loose. Might have to remove the valve covers if they hinder the removal.

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Joe
1972 GTSquire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous



Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 29-December-2016 at 3:19PM
no, you don't need to remove the dist. (it can be stuck tight where it goes into the block)
manifold is stuck due to the gaskets, yes a large screwdriver or tapered pry bar at the corners to wedge it loose and try hitting the thick corners of the intake with a hammer to help loosen it, yes you probably with need to remove the valve covers so it has clearance to lift it out maybe just one cover to get it out. oh take several good pics of it all it may help later on reassembly!


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 30-December-2016 at 10:13AM
You don't need to removed the distributor, but it may be seized in the block.  My distributor was seized and it was very difficult to remove.
 
You shouldn't need to remove the valve covers either.  My intake came off no problems with the valve covers in place.  Like other's said you may have to pry up on an edge to break it loose.


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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 01-January-2017 at 2:59AM
HOOOOAAAAARR!



LOL Got it!! Man that thing was a mean beast! I managed to find the seam where it sat on the head after some cleaning, and could then pry it off by starting with a very small flat tip screwdriver that I carefully hammered into the slot. Then a bigger one right next to it and then it started to peel off.
I had to come back the next day with a buddy to lift it out though, because there was no chance for me to lift it out by myself. Shocked
You were right, I didn't need to remove the dizzy or the valve covers Thumbs Up
I vacuumed it first to prevent any dirt from getting into the heads and then after lifting it away together covered it with a plastic bag.
Looked quite good on the inside, at least to my non-expert eyes Smile







23 Kilos! Shocked





Oh, I noticed something else! Looks like the ignition upgrade has already been taken care of LOL


So that was a succesful end of the year! Thumbs Up Here's to 2017! Beer

...which I started today with curing my hangover by cleaning the old intake outside in the cold. That worked pretty good, on the intake as well as on the hangover LOL

Here's a before and after:









Not perfectly clean of course, but definitely better than before and good enough for storing it away. Tongue

So the next step will be cleaning the gasket surfaces on the heads (Confused) and then hopefully my new parts will arrive soon so I can get the new intake on there! Smile



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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: MrSmog
Date Posted: 01-January-2017 at 3:42AM
since you have it tore down that far, might as well get a set of closed chamber 4v heads for it with a new high perf cam LOL


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Past 1974 Ranchero GT Q code

Present 1973 Q code formal roof base model Torino with ralleye equpiment package and 4spd.


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 01-January-2017 at 4:16AM
 Clap vacuumed the loose dirt before you pulled it off... you got this mechanic stuff figured out!!!
 looks good inside!Big smile

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 01-January-2017 at 4:26AM
Originally posted by MrSmog MrSmog wrote:

since you have it tore down that far, might as well get a set of closed chamber 4v heads for it with a new high perf cam LOL


Donations are more than welcome Big smile

Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

 Clap vacuumed the loose dirt before you pulled it off... you got this mechanic stuff figured out!!!
 


LOL I'm not a total beginner and I do have some common sense, so... Wink


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 01-January-2017 at 4:46AM
Thumbs Up

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 01-January-2017 at 7:12AM
if you plan to keep the old intake in a usable condition hose it down with some kind of spray oil protectant, something heavier than WD40, just a store brand spray lube all through the insides of the manifold. it's only had fuel inside which leaves a nice rustable raw metal condition. then bag the manifold into a doubled plastic bag & hose the insides of the bags with oil too
 
stored intakes always rust inside then they're Cry
 
good news on the Pertronix module Big smile
 
and Yes use the vacuum! get down into the heads to pull out any debris that fell in then stuff the holes with paper towel before doing any more cleaning ... too late? maybe you did?
 
then use the vac again while pulling the paper towels out, hold the paper in the hole while you vac away any debris from around the sides of the paper as you remove the paper from the holes Thumbs Up 


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 01-January-2017 at 7:28AM
Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

if you plan to keep the old intake in a usable condition hose it down with some kind of spray oil protectant, something heavier than WD40, just a store brand spray lube all through the insides of the manifold. it's only had fuel inside which leaves a nice rustable raw metal condition. then bag the manifold into a doubled plastic bag & hose the insides of the bags with oil too
 
stored intakes always rust inside then they're Cry
 
good news on the Pertronix module Big smile
 
and Yes use the vacuum! get down into the heads to pull out any debris that fell in then stuff the holes with paper towel before doing any more cleaning ... too late? maybe you did?
 
then use the vac again while pulling the paper towels out, hold the paper in the hole while you vac away any debris from around the sides of the paper as you remove the paper from the holes Thumbs Up 


That's awesome advice, thanks man Thumbs Up
I didn't stuff the openings yet, but I will before I start cleaning, as you said!


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 01-January-2017 at 9:50AM
Originally posted by MrSmog MrSmog wrote:

since you have it tore down that far, might as well get a set of closed chamber 4v heads for it with a new high perf cam LOL
If you do go this route you will need to find an intake manifold for the 4v heads on a 400.
All the aftermarket ones I've seen are for 2v heads. Major port mismatch...


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The above post should be read in a "Grumpy Old Man" voice.
Almost forgot: "Get off my lawn!!!"
Randy
1979 T-Bird
2006 GMC Sierra


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 01-January-2017 at 10:02AM
Originally posted by Big Bird Big Bird wrote:

Originally posted by MrSmog MrSmog wrote:

since you have it tore down that far, might as well get a set of closed chamber 4v heads for it with a new high perf cam LOL
If you do go this route you will need to find an intake manifold for the 4v heads on a 400.
All the aftermarket ones I've seen are for 2v heads. Major port mismatch...


Thanks, but I'm definitely not going this way Embarrassed


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 01-January-2017 at 11:32PM
Alright, so although I already have a new intake gasket on the way, I have now discovered that there are aftermarket valley pan style gaskets as well. So I'd like to install one of these instead.

It is kind of confusing though, with this Thermactor thing, which I don't if I have it or still need it. What I do have is EGR, but that can be deleted, right? There's still so much to learn about these engines Shocked

The one big question for now though, is if this would be the correct gasket:
http://www.fmmotorparts.com/fmstorefront/federalmogul/en/USD/Gaskets-%26-Sealing-Systems/Gaskets-%26-Sealing/MSVPS-ValleyPanGasketSet/Fel-Pro-Valley-Pan-Gasket-Set/p/RMS96013?years=1973&make=Ford&models=Gran%20Torino#.WGozoH3jJP0" rel="nofollow - Without Thermactor

Wacko


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 02-January-2017 at 6:02AM
the 'turkey pan' stamped metal gasket is how they came from the factory, at least a couple gasket makers produce them
BTW you just remembered me of something, there are 2 different turkey pans for your engine, the difference may be decided by the year? there's a hole in the turkey pan for an EGR / emissions passage that is in the front on one and in the back on the other. if you do use the turkey pan make sure you get the correct one ...
 
i would just use the 'race style' gaskets w/o the turkey pan, and w/o the cork / rubber end seals. just use RTV in place of the supplied end seals and throw them as far as you can
 
also double check make sure you have the gaskets positioned correctly, they only fit best one way but they are still very close the wrong way. flip them over a couple times to see which way they fit best


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 02-January-2017 at 6:17AM
There are about 4 different turkey pan gasket sets for the 400 Ford.  Early (1971-74) with Thermactor and without, late (1975-82) with Thermactor and without.  I know Chris is planning on upgrading to an aftermarket Edelbrock 2171.  Regardless of your engine year, this intake works best with MS96020 or MS96017.  MS96020 is without Thermactor and MS96017 is with Thermactor.  As a note, if you don't have Thermactor, either gasket will work fine.  If you do, you NEED to used MS96017.
I used the turkey pan (MS96017) with RTV for the end seals with my 2171 intake.  Easy install, no leaks and keeps the hot oil of the bottom of the intake. 


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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 02-January-2017 at 6:30AM
just posted to Russ's thread,
 
Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

the turkey pan will/should come with very thin paper gaskets, i believe the paper gaskets go on the heads then the metal tray under the manifold
 
the reason i don't like the turkey pan is because it creates a cavity under the manifold where condensation forms or holds moisture and rusts through the turkey pan. the last 2 i took off were perforated through by rust pinholes
 
if the engine runs correct operating temp with the proper 192* thermostat the oil on the underside of the intake is not an issue. todays oil is not the same as the oil that caked/coked on the underside of the intake, except for that Yellow Death brand Dead LOL (lots of paraffin)  


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 02-January-2017 at 7:15AM
ahh yes, paraffin...good for candles,bad for engines Dead


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: gnrlee01
Date Posted: 02-January-2017 at 1:18PM
yeah, that old intake weighs a ton...just curious...why would you want to keep the old intake?



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74 gts 460/auto with factory sunroof


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 02-January-2017 at 10:31PM
Originally posted by gnrlee01 gnrlee01 wrote:

yeah, that old intake weighs a ton...just curious...why would you want to keep the old intake?


Just for the sake of being able to convert it back to original Smile

So this is my old gasket that I pulled out:



So would this one here be correct? That's MS96017 as Vince suggested:


As far as I understand now from what you explained it looks to me like I don't have the Thermactor system (because my old gasket has blocked ends on one side, compared to the one underneath). So if that's correct, it wouldn't matter which gasket I use. Right? Confused

And yes, I already heard that the end seals are useless and I will do that with RTV just as you guys suggested. Learned that from Pete's Garage already Tongue


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 03-January-2017 at 1:42AM
Chris if you look at your original gasket you will see there are smaller rounded holes open on the left side. These are the same as the small open holes on the right side of the new gasket. The right side of the gasket, which is the front of the engine, is where the two differ. The new gasket has small rectangular openings which are not present on your original gasket. These port openings exist on the Edelbrock manifold but not the factory manifold. That is why the MS96017 works better with the Edelbrock intake.




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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 03-January-2017 at 2:04AM
Ooh okay, got it! Thanks for clarifying that Vince!
And again, thanks a lot to all of you for the ongoing support! Thumbs Up

Sometimes I just have to ask multiple times to be sure I understand it correctly Geek


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: gnrlee01
Date Posted: 03-January-2017 at 2:22PM
Originally posted by Torino_Chris Torino_Chris wrote:

Sometimes I just have to ask multiple times to be sure I understand it correctly Geek



dont feel bad, im the same way...specially when i dont have my hands right in the middle of it.



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74 gts 460/auto with factory sunroof


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 09-January-2017 at 2:35AM
Finally!! Big smile
There is my new intake that I bought from Josh aka mach1000. This thing feels like a ton lighter than the old iron LOL



What I'd like to do now is clean as best as possible and then clear coat it to protect it and make it easier to clean in the future. I already tried the usual degreasers I had that don't harm Aluminum, but they didn't do much.
Has anyone ever done this and knows a trick?
I can't sandblast it or anything. One thing I still have to try is Coca Cola and Aluminum Foil, which works wonders on rusted chrome. Might help here as well...


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: stanman
Date Posted: 09-January-2017 at 4:28AM
Do you mean you don't have access to a sandblaster or don't want to risk damaging it? I've sandblasted and cleared a couple of intakes but find silver ( not aluminum ) paint looks as good or better. If there's a place near you that could sandblast or glass bead it that's the route I would go. I've never found a cleaner that does a good job on rough aluminum.


Posted By: Torino_Chris
Date Posted: 09-January-2017 at 4:50AM
Originally posted by stanman stanman wrote:

Do you mean you don't have access to a sandblaster or don't want to risk damaging it? I've sandblasted and cleared a couple of intakes but find silver ( not aluminum ) paint looks as good or better. If there's a place near you that could sandblast or glass bead it that's the route I would go. I've never found a cleaner that does a good job on rough aluminum.


I don't have access to a blaster, and I'd like to avoid the cost if possible. But there are places that can do it around here, maybe I'll call and ask how much it would be.


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1988 Porsche 944
http://bit.ly/2hzTcXc" rel="nofollow - 1973 Gran Torino Sport Sportsroof 400cui
"...what's it all about, guess it just reflects my moooood..." ;) (The Rolling Stones)


Posted By: changinlatitudes
Date Posted: 09-January-2017 at 5:16AM
I'm enjoying this thread because I'm learning a lot, and even though we have different engines, much of the information in this thread pertains to both. Great looking car and good luck with your restoration!


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Matt

1972 Montego MX
1973 Gran Torino Sportsroof
2003 Mercury Marauder 300A
2003 F-150 5.4


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 09-January-2017 at 9:18AM
Yeah glass bead or plastic bead or walnut shells to blast it.

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U



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