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Topic: INFO: Console Mounting
Posted By: 1973gts
Subject: INFO: Console Mounting
Date Posted: 12-June-2019 at 2:13AM
My car was an original bench seat car and I am converting to buckets and a cosole.  I have the console but need to know how it mounts to the floor, what brackets, location, etc.  If anyone has any pictures it would be greatly appreciated, also would like to buy some brackets if anyone has any.  thanks  -  dave

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code



Replies:
Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 12-June-2019 at 2:43PM
Definitely has brackets. Not sure of their location. Someone has pics I am sure. I had seen them in an old thread but forget where.


Posted By: Uante
Date Posted: 12-June-2019 at 4:14PM
I'm doing the exact thing Dave. All I have seen were these brackets in a picture of a console that sold recently on eBay. 
Description Read: Decent console for Ford midsize models. Mounting brackets and tray insert included. Slight crack around the latch [latch still works] and light wear.  If color change is desired, has not been treated with any silicone products. 

If/When you find out something else, please post. 




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'73 Gran Torino Brougham
'63 Econoline Standard Van
- Brent *USAF RET*


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 12-June-2019 at 4:59PM
there's a diagram here somewhere in someone's thread...  the hook tab type low bracket goes up front, the slot in the front of the console hooks into it the tall A frame bracket goes in the middle of the console in front of the compartment and the 1 1/2" wide medium height hrackets go towards the rear of the console to sit on they are pop riveted to the sides of the tranny tunnel Wink

 i have 1 or 2 rear brackets but not the rest...


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 12-June-2019 at 5:38PM
Brent, thanks for posting the picture, that helps.  I bought a parts car about 10 years ago and got the console out of it but did not take any pictures of the brackets at that time. 
John, I do have the A frame bracket, now that I see a picture of it its in a box by where I have the console.  Just to clarify the middle bracket in the picture is the rear bracket?  And is the front bracket bolted to the floor or is it riveted too?  I'm thinking the front one should be pretty easy to fab if I get the placement right from the A frame bracket.  I'll have to check a few more boxes to see if I have the front bracket but I am sure I did not remove the rear bracket if it's pop riveted.  If you have a rear bracket available I would definitely be interested.  thanks  -  dave


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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 12-June-2019 at 5:42PM
Found this picture from an earlier post (sorry don't remember whose post) that shows brackets on a bare floor but not sure if these are the right ones.

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: Uante
Date Posted: 12-June-2019 at 6:01PM
Great picture of the floor and brackets. I'll be needing all brackets if anyone has extras. Not sure I can use a front one as the piece where the slot is, is broken off my console like a lot of others I've seen. 

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'73 Gran Torino Brougham
'63 Econoline Standard Van
- Brent *USAF RET*


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 13-June-2019 at 2:35AM
Found a photo from a current listing on ebay which shows the placement of the brackets.                                                                                

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: Uante
Date Posted: 13-June-2019 at 6:52AM
I saw that white console too, but didn't realize those were brackets underneath by the compartment box. So going from the picture of the floor with brackets on the hump and this picture...it looks like there's part 1 of the bracket attached to the hump and a connecting part 2 of the bracket inside of the console.


Just did a search after getting home and here's a link to a thread with pictures and measurements for the brackets. Now just to find brackets! lol 

http://forum.grantorinosport.org/75granmans-gran-torino-w-3k_topic6099_post57288.html?KW=console+brackets#57288" rel="nofollow - http://forum.grantorinosport.org/75granmans-gran-torino-w-3k_topic6099_post57288.html?KW=console+brackets#57288
 
 
 


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'73 Gran Torino Brougham
'63 Econoline Standard Van
- Brent *USAF RET*


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 13-June-2019 at 3:44PM
that's not the thread i saw, but john's thread is good and measurements are clear to see Wink


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: fordismyboss
Date Posted: 14-June-2019 at 4:52AM
Great post!

I'm doing the same conversion! Will need brackets too, and I hope they can be fabricated.


Posted By: Uante
Date Posted: 14-June-2019 at 5:11AM
I'm going to go out to the local parts yard this or next weekend to look for brackets. So I assume Torino, Montego, Cougar all had the same for mid 70's? Also I saw a thread on here that said 77 Thunderbird brackets would work too. It'd be nice to get a list of all the cars and years with the same brackets. 
 

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'73 Gran Torino Brougham
'63 Econoline Standard Van
- Brent *USAF RET*


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 14-June-2019 at 12:10PM
Off the top of my head, I am pretty sure they are all the same. If you want to know for sure I can try and find them in the parts catalog. 

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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car

GTS.org Admin


Posted By: Uante
Date Posted: 14-June-2019 at 12:27PM
Just checked the inventory at the local yard. They have a couple of 77 Thunderbirds and one even had a picture of the inside (who knows how much of it is left) that shows the same console. Just have to go there and see what they have...maybe they only have the hump part of the brackets, which is a good start. 

77 T-Bird






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'73 Gran Torino Brougham
'63 Econoline Standard Van
- Brent *USAF RET*


Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 14-June-2019 at 2:14PM
None of the brackets are particularly complicated.
I took pictures and measurements for someone a couple years ago on here.
With a few basic tools and materials, they should be easy to make.


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"What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind."
Randy
1979 T-Bird
2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD
How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds?


Posted By: Bensport
Date Posted: 15-June-2019 at 3:59PM
   Had to pull my console today when I dropped a dash screw down there and thought about this thread and snapped a pic... Hope it helps..There are 6 screws holding console to the brackets. 2 right under the lid to hold to the tall bracket, and 4 screws, 1 down in each corner of the console itself to the short brackets.

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Ben

73 GTS Sport Roof
96 F350 7.3 Powerstroke/Chip
96 Bronco 5.8 Eddie B on 35's
95 Bronco 5.8 Eddie Bauer
06 Peterbilt 335


Posted By: Uante
Date Posted: 22-June-2019 at 8:48AM
This morning I picked up that console I mentioned in my last post I made. It's from a 77 Thunderbird. Complete with no cracks and it came with the the brackets and a shifter delete panel $150. 
The rest of the interior and seats were gone, but I guess no one needed the console. The yard wanted $75 for the delete panel and the brackets (which is all I needed) or $150 for it all, so I just bought the whole thing. 

 


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'73 Gran Torino Brougham
'63 Econoline Standard Van
- Brent *USAF RET*


Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 22-June-2019 at 10:23AM
The compartment cover/pad is a rarity in good shape.

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"What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind."
Randy
1979 T-Bird
2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD
How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds?


Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 22-June-2019 at 10:23AM
Good deal. 


Posted By: Uante
Date Posted: 22-June-2019 at 2:59PM


So...
The console brackets are 4 pieces. The front one mounts on the hump and goes through the slot (this console like most has a broken front slot). The second bracket is in two pieces...the piece that mounts on the hump and the arch piece that runs up into the console in front of the inner box. The rear bracket mounts on the hump. The inner box screws to both the aft edge of the middle bracket and the to the rear bracket. That's all the mounting there is, at least on this one. 

This console also had the blank out panel with both under tabs intact, a good box light cover and lid latch, the removable sectioner for the inner box, and 56 cents of loose change including a 1970 quarter and a 1978 nickel. The other quarter was a 2008. 




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'73 Gran Torino Brougham
'63 Econoline Standard Van
- Brent *USAF RET*


Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 22-June-2019 at 3:10PM
My console has a top that was fabbed and has no latch. Not a big deal. I would be surprised if it has all the parts you are showing in the picture.


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 23-June-2019 at 5:35AM

That's the identical setup to my factory '72 console. There isn't a ton of hardware holding it in place, but once it's tied together it's pretty solid.



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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car

GTS.org Admin


Posted By: hogfiddles
Date Posted: 29-June-2019 at 6:40AM
I have pics from inside mine when I pulled it out.  If you want pics, email me and I'll show you right where they go.

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1973 Gran Torino Sport - Q code
1969 Torino GT - M code
numerous mid-80's Yamaha XJ-Series (5 trophies and counting)


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 08-July-2019 at 3:49PM
Question for anyone who has dealt with these consoles .  My console has what I thought was a missing piece on the left side towards the front, however in looking at two other consoles, one from ebay and one from the post of 75 Gran Man (John) it shows the same area missing.  Was this the way they were designed for clearance (possibly for the floor shifter mount)?  I was just getting ready to fab a filler piece but if this is how it's designed I won't have to.  

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 08-July-2019 at 3:56PM
It was shaped to fit the floor hump and carpet.


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 08-July-2019 at 4:54PM
Thanks, John, that's what I was thinking.  My car was not a floor shift car so I guess I will make a filler piece for it.  

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 08-July-2019 at 7:55PM
I suspepct mine is the same unless it came from a different model vehicle.


Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 09-July-2019 at 3:06PM
Yep. You have a console from a floor shift car. There is a "lump" or "hump" that attached to the floor that the shifter was attached to. The non-shifter consoles do not have that "cut-out".
By all appearances, the factory had several beavers on staff that chewed out the clearance notches for shifter humps. Frequently, it looks like the beavers drank on the job.
Heavily.


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"What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind."
Randy
1979 T-Bird
2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD
How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds?


Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 09-July-2019 at 3:10PM
LOL That is too funny. My car has no floor shifter. Not sure if the console was for a non floor shift vehicle. I want to say there is no cut out yet. Maybe one day.


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 09-July-2019 at 4:14PM
Randy, from the appearance on mine it looks like a somewhat erratic outline on the cutout section so I would definitely agree with your assessment.  Not sure if they took a regular console and cut this section out on the floor shift cars but it definitely is not a smooth cut.

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 10-July-2019 at 3:22AM
The carpet must hide the edge.


Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 10-July-2019 at 1:51PM
Not sure if I can take a screen shot and email it to myself but will try later.


Posted By: Uante
Date Posted: 10-July-2019 at 3:47PM
That's a really good diagram of the mounts, console and accessories!  

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'73 Gran Torino Brougham
'63 Econoline Standard Van
- Brent *USAF RET*


Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 10-July-2019 at 3:57PM
I may have to make an drop-in compartment. Never knew they existed until seeing yours.


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 11-July-2019 at 3:39AM
 Got these pictures from Hogfiddles that he was having a problem trying to post and he wanted to share them on this post, he stated these are the original locations that he found when pulling apart his interior. The first picture is the front bracket and the second picture is the middle and rear bracket.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 11-July-2019 at 5:05AM
The front bracket is held in with rivets. Not sure how to locate the bracket. Here is what I have in my car.


Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 11-July-2019 at 5:07AM


Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 11-July-2019 at 5:09AM
Not sure if this diagram is any clearer.


Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 11-July-2019 at 10:31AM
All the locations key off the raised brace in the floor.
All the consoles started out the same, then the shifter consoles faced the beavers.


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"What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind."
Randy
1979 T-Bird
2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD
How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds?


Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 11-July-2019 at 10:39AM
Makes sense. Imagine having the  beaver job. What long boring days.


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 11-July-2019 at 1:08PM
That looks better John, thanks.  When I have some time I will make up a new post in the reference section. 

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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car

GTS.org Admin


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 11-July-2019 at 3:11PM
those were 1/8" pop rivets you could use 1/8" self tapping screws if you had to...


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 12-July-2019 at 7:32AM
Well I spent today searching our local old car parts yard going through all the Torinos, Montegos, and Thunderbirds.  Found no remaining consoles or floor brackets.  If Brent (Uante) reads this would it be possible to get some measurements on the brackets to help with making new ones, I know from this post that there are numerous people this would help and would be a good reference for those in the future.  thanks  -   dave

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 12-July-2019 at 2:25PM
i could get the measurements at a later time as we are doing a console swap in my buddy dave's 76 i did the hump/floor shift column swap a while back, just did floor pans last weekend, and the console will be later.... Wink


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 12-July-2019 at 3:22PM
Whatever you could do John would be greatly appreciated.  I won't be putting mine in for a while but will start making the brackets whenever I can get the measurements.  thanks  -  dave

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 12-July-2019 at 7:11PM
i can measure his brackets, i thought you meant the measurements for the location on the tranny tunnel, i can get those later too!
 also looks like brent got brackets so the 2 flat ones can go to you when i find them???
 i've been so damn busy with work and parts i haven't had much time for anything so i'm going to a car show tomorrow first one this year, then i'll be looking through a bunch of parts  so i'll keep an eye out for those bracketsWink

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 13-July-2019 at 2:03AM
The tunnel measurements would be very helpful.  If you do locate the brackets would love to get them, just let me know if you do locate.  thanks again  -  dave

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 13-July-2019 at 2:10AM
Thumbs Up

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: Uante
Date Posted: 13-July-2019 at 2:56AM
I saw the posts about measurements last night...I'll get a few initial pictures this morning and we can go from there depending on what other dimensions you need. The arch piece is the heaviest gauge steel and seems to be the main support. 

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'73 Gran Torino Brougham
'63 Econoline Standard Van
- Brent *USAF RET*


Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 13-July-2019 at 4:27AM
This may not be of interest, but when I removed the console, shifter and interior out of a 1974 XR7 I had, I wrote the measurements inside the removed shifter hump of the exact location of where the floor shifter hump is located on the floorpan. Since they are written inside the hump (figured I would not lose them that way) I can make a picture of them if anyone needs it.

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Joe
1972 Mom's Squire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous
Popeye and Brutus (Rams)


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 13-July-2019 at 5:28AM
I am not doing the floor shift so won't be using the hump but it would probably be good to have on this thread should others want to.  It would be good to have all the info in one spot so please do  post them.  

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: Uante
Date Posted: 13-July-2019 at 5:40AM
Here's some pictures of sizes and such for the Arch bracket and base plate. 


It's about 6" wide and 9" tall. 



Close up of Corner attach point 





Measurement across top



Offset lower attach holes 



Hole spacing, just needs to match whatever you make the base plate to. 



Base Plate 



Attach configuration. Two holes on forward tab are for attaching to car hump. Two holes in the middle by the larger hole are for attaching through the bottom of the console glovebox. And two more attach holes in angled rear tabs. 



Side profile of Arch mount. 


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'73 Gran Torino Brougham
'63 Econoline Standard Van
- Brent *USAF RET*


Posted By: Uante
Date Posted: 13-July-2019 at 5:53AM
Some shots of the rear and front brackets 



Rear Bracket. Console attaches to it through the rear of the console glove box floor. 



Profile of height for hump attachment 



Bottom view



Front Bracket 



Profile of front bracket. My front hole that this feeds through is broken as most are I think. I'm going to make a metal plate for inside and outside of feed through area and rivet them together once I get my car back and can verify fit and everything. 


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'73 Gran Torino Brougham
'63 Econoline Standard Van
- Brent *USAF RET*


Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 13-July-2019 at 6:50AM
Nice writeup. Even I could fab those. Clap


Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 13-July-2019 at 6:56PM
Some pics with dimensions I sent someone about 5 years ago.


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"What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind."
Randy
1979 T-Bird
2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD
How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds?


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 14-July-2019 at 4:31AM
I just want to post a thank you to all who are participating in this, we are definitely getting enough information and pictures to make this a very doable project.  When John gets the tunnel measurements (no rush on this, John, I won't be putting the console in for a while yet) we should have all the information we need.  I am also starting to make a filler piece for my beaver area but due to the irregular outline of the section I may first smooth it out to hopefully make it easier to fab a piece to fit.  

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 05-December-2019 at 5:23AM
 I am not at the point yet of installing my console so I decided to work on the cut out section on the side of the console.  I picked up a package of plastic sheets at the local Ryders Hobby shop store                     





I then made a cardboard template of the missing section                                                                                

  

After transferring the outline onto the plastic I attempted to cut the plastic with a scroll saw.  This did not work very well due to the plastic melting as it was cut making precise lines very difficult.  After some fine tuning with a file I got a pretty good contour of the piece.                                                                          


I then cut a backing piece to glue to the inside of the console for the filler piece to rest on making it flush with the outside of the console.                                                                                                                     


I then glued the filler piece onto the backing plate and the console.                                                                                                          


  After it dried I used jb weld plastic weld to fill in where the filler piece meets the console and sanded it down.                                                  









I will be using some texture paint on the lower section of the console to help blend it into the pattern.  I will post additional pictures when I get done painting it.  


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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: hogfiddles
Date Posted: 05-December-2019 at 12:30PM
you DO realize that the contour on the left side of the console IS  different because of the hump, right?

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1973 Gran Torino Sport - Q code
1969 Torino GT - M code
numerous mid-80's Yamaha XJ-Series (5 trophies and counting)


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 05-December-2019 at 1:53PM
The contour is different on a floor shift car but mine is a column shift so no hump, I just wanted to fill in the missing section so there isn't a big gap on the drivers side.

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 05-December-2019 at 3:40PM
still looking for those rear brackets, dave, i haven't totally forgot just haven't ran across them...


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 05-December-2019 at 3:46PM
No problem, John, car is still at the bodyshop and won't be back for a while, I'm just working on bits and pieces til it gets back.

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code


Posted By: Uante
Date Posted: 06-December-2019 at 4:23AM
Looks like a nice fill-in of that hump cut-out. Can't wait til I get around to installing my console!

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'73 Gran Torino Brougham
'63 Econoline Standard Van
- Brent *USAF RET*


Posted By: 1973gts
Date Posted: 06-December-2019 at 5:27AM
I know the feeling, been taking a little longer than I had anticipated for the body/paint work to get done but shouldn't be much longer now hopefully.

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Dave - 1973 GTS N code



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