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Topic: INFO: Core/Radiator Support Bushing
Posted By: TV 2M8O
Subject: INFO: Core/Radiator Support Bushing
Date Posted: 18-February-2012 at 10:01AM
For some reason this was not put as I sticky post so I combined the 2 threads into 1 and made it a sticky and re-opened it for discussion and updates as you all see fit!
Admin-Regul8r(Carl) March 23rd, 2015
 
Here is the original post and threads combined...
OK guys, stupid question of the day, 
How do you seperate the upper and lower core support insulator bushings? I pulled my core support today and everything came apart pretty well until I got ready to remove the upper core support insulator bushing from the frame horn. I thought it would just pull off but SURPRISE!
 
I think I know the answer; the upper bushing "washer" is threaded and acts as the nut keeping the two bushings aligned and tight. Correct? If so, how can I get a really good grip on the bushing washer to keep it from turning as you remove the bolt from below? I'm doing a one man restoration so I need to figure out a way of doing it solo... if possible! Here are what my two core support bushings look like....
 
 
 
As you can see I have them soaking with penetrating oil to help break them loose. All suggestions greatly appreciated!!
 
THANKS


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TV 2M8O OUT
JOE
1976 Gran Torino S&H season 2-4 Clone
Project Blog: http://tv2m8o.blogspot.com/



Replies:
Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 18-February-2012 at 10:50AM
I'm sure there's a way, but I never found it.




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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: GTW
Date Posted: 18-February-2012 at 10:53AM
Do you need to remove these to remove the core support itself?

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Griffin
1973 Gran Torino station wagon
1971 Maverick 2 Door
Retired 60s NHRA Anglia


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 18-February-2012 at 11:00AM
No. See above picture. 

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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: legend onirot
Date Posted: 18-February-2012 at 11:15AM
mine fell apart when i took my core support off. 

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malcolm
1973 gran torino sport (formal)... "Stacy Lynn"
1972 gran torino (formal)... "Mackenzie"
1973 gran torino sport (sportroof)... "Leela"


Posted By: TV 2M8O
Date Posted: 18-February-2012 at 11:38AM
Paul,
 
So there is no need to remove them as long as they are in good shape? The are still really firm & pliable....
 
Thanks


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TV 2M8O OUT
JOE
1976 Gran Torino S&H season 2-4 Clone
Project Blog: http://tv2m8o.blogspot.com/


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 18-February-2012 at 12:23PM
Unless you suspect severe rust under them, personally, I wouldn't. It's not like we have figured out a suitable replacement yet.

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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: TV 2M8O
Date Posted: 18-February-2012 at 12:33PM
Don't think rust is an issue on mine.... only found a spot the size of a business card behind the passenger front wheel opening (leaves built up on inside of fender and eat it out) on the entire car. here's one of the core support slots for reference.....
 
So, issue resolved and on to engine and transmission removal!!
Thanks Paul...


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TV 2M8O OUT
JOE
1976 Gran Torino S&H season 2-4 Clone
Project Blog: http://tv2m8o.blogspot.com/


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 18-February-2012 at 1:44PM
If I were realllllllly concerned, I'd try to lift up the edges and get some _________ (Insert whatever you are coating the frame with) under it. 

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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: TV 2M8O
Date Posted: 18-February-2012 at 3:43PM
POR15......
Since she will only see limited service once completed, I think it will be good as it is.
Heck she's gone this long with limited factory protection!


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TV 2M8O OUT
JOE
1976 Gran Torino S&H season 2-4 Clone
Project Blog: http://tv2m8o.blogspot.com/


Posted By: Regul8r
Date Posted: 18-February-2012 at 3:51PM
The bushing has a nut on the bottom too with a lower bushing.
 
It actually has 3 bushings.
1 on top of the support
1 between the support and the frame
1 on the bottom of the frame
 


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Carl Corey (Moderator/Event Coordinator) Contact ANYTIME!
1976 Ford Elite "Lola Mae"
97 Suzuki Intruder 1400
US Army Retired


Posted By: Dan the ranchero man
Date Posted: 18-February-2012 at 4:04PM
I have removed them off of my rancheros when I did my frame off. I used a large set of vise grips  grabbed the metal washer looking piece part of the bushing on the first car and I was able to remove it with little damage. The second car was a bit more work. I drilled two holes in the metal washer part and each side of the stud (12 and 6 o clock positions)and taped the hole for a # 10 thread. Then I screwed in some hardened screws and used the visegrips again to remove. I was glad I did too because the frame looked rust free but the rubber trapped water and the holes where enlarged from the rust.


Posted By: TV 2M8O
Date Posted: 18-February-2012 at 4:22PM
Carl,
 
There are only 2 rubber bushings on the core support of my car. Here is the disassembly progress....
 
Assembled height 1 1/4"....
 
On top of core support: thick washer and nut (note shim between support and upper bushing)....
 
Nut and washer removed....
 
Support removed, another thicker steel washer and shim....
 
shim....
 
 
hardware used.....
 
soaking upper bushing....
 
These parts are typical of both sides except driver side does not have the shim. My front has not be touched, so this was how she left the Chicago factory. Perhaps the earlier models had more rubber bushings??
 
Thanks for the tip Dan, will give it try....


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TV 2M8O OUT
JOE
1976 Gran Torino S&H season 2-4 Clone
Project Blog: http://tv2m8o.blogspot.com/


Posted By: smhj
Date Posted: 18-February-2012 at 11:08PM
Maybe before you drill and tap use a spanner wrench to lay out the holes then drill and use the wrench. Just a thought. I need to do mine also.

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73MONTEGO


Posted By: Eliteman76
Date Posted: 02-March-2012 at 4:29PM
*shrug*
Cutting torch, 4.5" electric grinder.
New grade 8 bolt, new poly bushings.
This deal caused me some aggravation, hoping that my retrofit works long term w/o issue.


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Andrew


Posted By: Srandaz2
Date Posted: 25-November-2013 at 2:37AM
THIS is where the old thread ended and the new thread began... HENCE my reason for combining them...
Admin-Regul8r(Carl) March 23rd, 2015
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Need Some Help Fellas, I been round and round on the Forum and seems like i am getting no where fast.  I need RAD Support Bushings for my 1976 Ford Torino - I see alot of Postings about Bushings but nothing I seen so far is giving me an absolute answer.
 
So - Input or point in the right direction would be appreciated, These Bushings are located in the Front under the radiator support.
 
Does anyone company sell these new? Is there a Cross Reference from Another Vehicle or Mfg.
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated Confused


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Steve


Posted By: legend onirot
Date Posted: 25-November-2013 at 6:08AM
as far as I know, you cannot buy them, nor the other body bushings. mine were pretty well trashed... the consensus is for the body bushings, you can use 2008 crown vic body bushings but they need to be adapted.... some have used other bushings for that application as well such as jeep bushings, etc.

when it comes to the rad core support bushings... not so much of a consensus there. during my restoration, I used the same 2008 crown vic body bushings under the core support. I used some spacers (huge washers) so that it would pull down tight and not have very much give to it. but it seems to have worked well. no complaints yet

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malcolm
1973 gran torino sport (formal)... "Stacy Lynn"
1972 gran torino (formal)... "Mackenzie"
1973 gran torino sport (sportroof)... "Leela"


Posted By: Srandaz2
Date Posted: 25-November-2013 at 7:56AM
Thanks Legend that Helps - so the 2008 VIC bushings will work just need bigger washers - correct


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Steve


Posted By: legend onirot
Date Posted: 25-November-2013 at 10:00AM
yep... they will "work" without the spacers but there is some jiggling on the front clip without them. the spacers, I found, would allow you to tighten it down tighter, which firmed it up quite a bit.

I put the spacers, which ended up being huge washers, on top of the bushing, then I cut out a piece of rubber to go over the washers that was about 1/8 inch thick or so...

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malcolm
1973 gran torino sport (formal)... "Stacy Lynn"
1972 gran torino (formal)... "Mackenzie"
1973 gran torino sport (sportroof)... "Leela"


Posted By: GranTorinoSport
Date Posted: 25-November-2013 at 11:19AM
I know Eliteman76 used some polyurethane Jeep bushings for his. Seemed to work also.


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Scott Eklund

Webmaster


Posted By: Srandaz2
Date Posted: 25-November-2013 at 11:22AM
GT Sport what year bushings for the jeep


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Steve


Posted By: GranTorinoSport
Date Posted: 25-November-2013 at 11:42AM
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=9.4102#

That is the one. I ordered the kit but have not used it yet. There is some discussion here about them. I think Eliteman76 originally but bushings on both sides of everything, which ended up being too much. I believe there is no bushing on the bottom of the frame (where the bolt head is), and then a bushing on top of frame (between frame and rad support), and then on top of rad support no bushing.


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Scott Eklund

Webmaster


Posted By: legend onirot
Date Posted: 25-November-2013 at 12:41PM
my 73 DID have a bushing in the frame, then between the frame and rad support, just like the other body bushings. there was no bushing on top of the rad core support... see pic below

http://s269.photobucket.com/user/mberch70/media/frontclipoff7_zps4b2f7216.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">

now I am not questioning scott, he is the greatest, coolest, most-knowledgeable guy ive ever known... they may have changed things up throughout different years?



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malcolm
1973 gran torino sport (formal)... "Stacy Lynn"
1972 gran torino (formal)... "Mackenzie"
1973 gran torino sport (sportroof)... "Leela"


Posted By: GranTorinoSport
Date Posted: 25-November-2013 at 1:08PM
Well, see that is where the mystery begins Malcolm!

What I wrote above was what I interpreted to be the end agreement on the rad support bushing issue. I don't think we ever had a post of "this is how it is", people just sort of came to conclusions in about 3 different threads all about the same time.

It was agreed that 72 was different. We know that for many things already though.

I will look at mine tonight and repost what I find. Rad support is off, but I don't remember if I have any underneath frame.


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Scott Eklund

Webmaster


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 25-November-2013 at 1:10PM
my 74 has a bushing up in the frame and a bushing between the top of the frame and the core support, no bushing on the top (of the core support) all of mine are totally wasted, i figured when i get the body off i would do some measuring and find out what i can come up with, and let everyone know.


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: GranTorinoSport
Date Posted: 25-November-2013 at 1:18PM
Ok, just went and checked on my 75 Sport.

Just as Malcolm and John have stated, there is a bushing on the bottom (below frame) and in between frame and core support. There is no bushing on top, just an extra thick washer and the locknut.

Here are some photos, and the new bushing is the energy suspension one for comparison.








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Scott Eklund

Webmaster


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 25-November-2013 at 1:24PM
while we are on this subject... are all the rest of the body bushings the same as the core support ones? (height, outer dia. inside dia. frame hole dia.???

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: legend onirot
Date Posted: 25-November-2013 at 4:33PM
Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

while we are on this subject... are all the rest of the body bushings the same as the core support ones? (height, outer dia. inside dia. frame hole dia.???


the hole in the frame was the same on mine but the bushing between the frame and radiator support seemed to be thicker than the rest of the bushings... thusly the spacers/washers...
http://s269.photobucket.com/user/mberch70/media/torino/frontclipoff14_zpsfabe8577.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">

I measured mine before removing for reference, but the crown vic bushing were a smidge different which changed the whole dynamic. so I had to just tinker with it until I got the dimensions correct... i.e. count the rotations of the turn of the wrench for each bushing and the spacers in the radiator support bushings.. until I got the front clip lined up properly



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malcolm
1973 gran torino sport (formal)... "Stacy Lynn"
1972 gran torino (formal)... "Mackenzie"
1973 gran torino sport (sportroof)... "Leela"


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 25-November-2013 at 5:21PM
thanks malcolm, so you're saying that all of the frame holes are the same diameter? (you don't happen know that diamention, do you??) (just thinking ahead)


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: legend onirot
Date Posted: 26-November-2013 at 4:04AM
i don't remember the dimension of the holes.... sorry.. I do remember that the 08 cv bushings fit perfectly in the torino's frame holes, including the holes up front for the radiator core support. so if there were any differences, they were negligible.    

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malcolm
1973 gran torino sport (formal)... "Stacy Lynn"
1972 gran torino (formal)... "Mackenzie"
1973 gran torino sport (sportroof)... "Leela"


Posted By: TV 2M8O
Date Posted: 26-November-2013 at 9:35AM
John,
 
Here is a link to the two installments on my blog concerning the core support removal & bushings. May be some helpful info....
 
http://tv2m8o.blogspot.com/2012_02_01_archive.html" rel="nofollow - http://tv2m8o.blogspot.com/2012_02_01_archive.html
 
and a topic I started here on the forum about the same thing...
Joe I combined both threads so I deleted the link in this post. Admin-Regul8r(Carl) March 23rd, 2015
 
Keep up the progress!


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TV 2M8O OUT
JOE
1976 Gran Torino S&H season 2-4 Clone
Project Blog: http://tv2m8o.blogspot.com/


Posted By: Regul8r
Date Posted: 23-March-2015 at 2:23PM
Not sure why this thread was locked and not stickied!
 
I just unlocked it, made it a sticky AND am combining the other thread into it to consolidate the info.
SO, I may read a little funny as when I move posts they land in the original post's date order.
 


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Carl Corey (Moderator/Event Coordinator) Contact ANYTIME!
1976 Ford Elite "Lola Mae"
97 Suzuki Intruder 1400
US Army Retired


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 23-March-2015 at 4:13PM
my bad! i never updated this as to what i used Embarrassed these are the energy suspension bushings that i used for the core support # 9.4102R
   Energy Suspension Universal Mounts/Isolators (9.4102R)
my frame was a little thin where the bushings sit, so i used a 1 1/4" flat washer (from the local hardware store) and trimmed the edge and welded it in place: (this also makes up the proper thickness for the bushing!) one for each side... passenger and driver side


 and i used two new 1/2" X4"? grade 8 bolts with poly lock nuts



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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 23-March-2015 at 4:24PM
this is the diagram as to how these bushings go:


the bolt goes up through the bottom, core support sits on top of this assembly, then a thick 1/2" washer (not supplied) is placed on top of the core support, then the poly lock nut (there is no bushing on top of the core support!!!)(just a thick washer and nut!)


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 23-March-2015 at 4:50PM
in the upper right corner of this pic you can see the bolt and nut sticking up through the assembled bushing (you should have 1" minimum sticking out above the bushing top washer, to allow for the core support and thick washer and any shims needed as well as the lock nut!)


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: buickracer
Date Posted: 08-November-2015 at 5:18PM
Everyone,
 
I contacted a company at sema and gave the a body mount.  They are going to give me an estimate to produce new urethane bushings. The metal parts will need to be reused. If you would be interested please let me know. The more I order the price will be lower.  I should have an estimate near the first of December. I will work with the same company to make radiator core bushing next.  If anyone would like to email me please.  mailto:btracingparts@gmail.com" rel="nofollow - btracingparts@gmail.com .


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gran torino sport


Posted By: lynchster
Date Posted: 23-August-2016 at 5:00PM
Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

my bad! i never updated this as to what i used Embarrassed these are the energy suspension bushings that i used for the core support # 9.4102R
   Energy Suspension Universal Mounts/Isolators (9.4102R)

Do you know if they have a part number for black ones? Do you remember the diameter of the hole in your frame or the outer diameter of the bushing that fit it?


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Chuck
72 Gran Torino Sport
08 Taurus (Maytag)
03 Dakota (Rusty)


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 23-August-2016 at 6:14PM
chuck: black # 9.4102G
i welded a flat washer to the top of the frame holes to increase the proper thickness and due to the fact that my frame holes were a little thin from rusting under the original bushings. per the diagram here for these bushings it shows a 1 1/4" hole so then i used a 1 1/4" flat washer it was about 1/8" thick so with the 1/8" thickness of the frame and the washer totals 1/4" thickness as in the diagram!("recommended plate")  ***note--- your core support will sit on top of this completed assembly***



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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 23-August-2016 at 11:58PM
Thanks for this info. I'm going to buy the bushing set for the gold base car and the red base wagon, since the clips are off both cars. Should not take too much effort to jack up the body enough to clean and paint the mating surfaces of all the body mounts and install the new bushings.

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Joe
1972 Mom's Squire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous
Popeye and Brutus (Rams)


Posted By: lynchster
Date Posted: 26-August-2016 at 2:55PM
For one reason or another I have the holes at 1 1/16". Leaves me with two choices. Different bushings or drill the holes in the painted frame..........  

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Chuck
72 Gran Torino Sport
08 Taurus (Maytag)
03 Dakota (Rusty)


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 26-August-2016 at 4:13PM
chuck, maybe the 72's are a little different? are your frame holes round or slightly hex shaped? IIRC mine were hex shaped and the washer just covered that original hole, the extended inner part of the upper bushing should fit into the large washers. if you have the new bushings you can see the size of flat washers you will need to get, and then lay the washer on the frame over the hole and use the washer for a template to mark where and how much to enlarge the frame holes if necessary Wink those bushings are fairly large and will hide any marring of the paint (as long as you don't go all crazy "mid-evil" on it enlarging the holesShocked) and after your finished you can just dab on some primer and paint for protection with a small brush, which will be totally hidden by the bushings Big smile 

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: lynchster
Date Posted: 27-August-2016 at 6:34PM
I think I've remembered the situation that's led me to this point.
The original openings in the frame were in fact hexagonal and my choice for replicating that in a circle was to use the measurement for the "flats". If I'd have used the "points" I'd have had the 1 1/4" measurement.  



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Chuck
72 Gran Torino Sport
08 Taurus (Maytag)
03 Dakota (Rusty)


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 27-August-2016 at 7:28PM
something that i forgot to mention, i also used two of these 1/2" flat bolt retainers on top of the bushing (one per each side) to hold the bolt up in the bushings and put the upper gold washer over that and snugged it all down with a regular 1/2" nut to compress it all then removed the nut. so it's all together just like the original bushings were then the core support can be placed on top just like factory.

1000 BULK Qty-Push Nut Bolt Retainer For 1/2" Bolt Size - 15/16" OD(9299B2)  available at the local hardware store



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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: lynchster
Date Posted: 28-August-2016 at 2:20PM
At the moment I'm using cut pieces of 2X4's so I can mount the radiator to run the car. LOL

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Chuck
72 Gran Torino Sport
08 Taurus (Maytag)
03 Dakota (Rusty)


Posted By: robot9000
Date Posted: 01-September-2016 at 7:41AM
Okay, I just went though this 2 weeks ago...

I boggled this for a while.  One thing I could not quite understand is why Ford put one rubber bushing under/in the frame and one on top (but under the radiator mount).

This presented the problem - I could not find big enough bushings to fit (Stop me if you've heard this before, lol). The holes in my frame were about 2+ inches across.  Not sure if that is rust or what, but thats pretty big, as you have all found out.

Sooo. I ended up buying a similar kit to CalJohy.  9.4101 (not red).  A replacement bolt (3x1/2 course thread) and a 2in washer per side.  The key to the 4.4101/2 kit is that the two pieces are designed to fit together tightly.   One fits inside the other.  

My process:

I ground the area clean and welded on some pretty thick sheet steel I had around to basically cover/fill the factory hole. 

I measured and marked the center of the frame rails and the rad mount and lined them up, so its centered. I knew from previous measurements it is 44 inches from the firewall to the edge of the rad support at the hood stop.  So that gave me a ball park front/back spot.

I marked the center of the rad support hole and drilled into the new steel.  

Then I basically put it back together but the urethane bushing sat on TOP of the frame rail and sandwiched the rad support.  I did add a 2in washer to the head side of the bolt under (inside) the frame rail to shore that up a bit but no bushing. 

My 2 extra washers plus what came with the kit had it all together in 10 min (not counting welding and grinding).  

The rad support sits the correct amount off the frame (approx 1 inch) and is held in place by 2 urethane bushings to allow it to move (not sure why is mounted on bushings either, but that;s a different discussion).

I suspect, using this method, you could use smaller bushings.  Seems 2 inch work well. I'll try and post pic's later this week.

Thanks !


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1973 Gran Torino Sport
2010 Mazda 6
2007 Jeep Wrangler
2011 Damon Daybreak 35BD


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 01-September-2016 at 11:57AM
The reason for the bushings on both sides of the frame is to isolate the vibrations from the frame to the body and to allow any twisting between body and frame if needed

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: Eliteman76
Date Posted: 06-November-2016 at 7:30PM
I never added to this. Sorry for not being around much in the last few years and trying to help provide this info!

Here is what I did:
So here's an original core support with bushings. 
I originally got core support busings for an 80's LTD from a local ford dealer that has NOS stock. These turned out to be the wrong material and too soft and they collapsed.
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At this point my car is totally in the Joe Dirt stage and just barely under it's on running power...
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Originally I bought a strut rod kit from Energy suspension for a 60's Nova 2 but while it fit fine, it was not right. 
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Enter the Energy suspension unreal mount kit:
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Here is the universal mount kit vs. the smaller nova kit:
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This universal kit is a bit larger but not to worry:
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Keep in mind at this point I'm a moron and thinking I need to enlarge the opening on the rad support, but not the case. I had to clean up the frame holes on my frame.

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Installed: 
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I have three videos uploaded regarding a few details on my Photobucket but for some reason my browser is not allowing me to load them and my phone app isn't giving me audio.

Here was my first video. Note, I was screwed up on thinking the arrangement but hopefully it might help show things.
http://vid80.photobucket.com/albums/j167/Eliteman76/Videos/MOV02115.mp4

First reference video:
http://vid80.photobucket.com/albums/j167/Eliteman76/Videos/Torinoradsupport-LH-4-29-2011.mp4

Second reference video:
http://vid80.photobucket.com/albums/j167/Eliteman76/Videos/Torinoradsupport-RH-4-29-2011.mp4


Hope this helps a bit.


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Andrew


Posted By: lynchster
Date Posted: 07-January-2018 at 1:48PM
Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

these are the energy suspension bushings that i used for the core support # 9.4102R
   Energy Suspension Universal Mounts/Isolators (9.4102R)


I have a question for you cj. I'm not sure you'll know the answer but here goes..

In regards to the metal 1 1/4" OD sleeve on the bushing that fits through the frame. Do you remember if it looked removable or if looked cast into the bushing?

I'm thinking if I can remove it, less work for me.     

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Chuck
72 Gran Torino Sport
08 Taurus (Maytag)
03 Dakota (Rusty)


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 07-January-2018 at 4:12PM
it's cast into the bushing IIRC but as long as the frame hole is big enough the shorter bushing goes up inside the frame and the bigger bushing goes on top of the frame, core support sits on top of the bushing assembly (no bushing on top of the core support!)(just a washer and nut)


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 19-November-2018 at 12:52PM
Originally posted by lynchster lynchster wrote:



I have a question for you cj. I'm not sure you'll know the answer but here goes..

In regards to the metal 1 1/4" OD sleeve on the bushing that fits through the frame. Do you remember if it looked removable or if looked cast into the bushing?

I'm thinking if I can remove it, less work for me.     
 
This may be too late for you Chuck, but hope it can help others.  I am just working on getting my rad support installed.  I had the same problem where the 1 1/4" sleeve doesn't fit through the frame hole. I didn't want to drill my frame, especially after fresh paint. So I figured the better option is to remove the sleeve.  Turns out most of the sleeve is just a thin metal ring. 
 
 
I held the bushing in a vice and was able to pull it off with a pair of vice grips. I then cut the remaining poly protrusion off with a saw and trimmed with a utility knife to make it flush.
 
 
It now sites on the frame fine.  It's still a bit lower than my OEM setup, but I think I can shim it up with the shims from my factory bushing.
 


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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car

GTS.org Admin


Posted By: Anderslober
Date Posted: 19-January-2020 at 9:26AM
Shouldnt the bushing go into the frame? Wont it `slide` around on the frame a bit?


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 19-January-2020 at 9:50AM
Originally posted by Anderslober Anderslober wrote:

Shouldnt the bushing go into the frame? Wont it `slide` around on the frame a bit?

I didn't want to drill my frame, which is why I did it that way I posted above. It can slide around a bit when the bolts are loose, but once you tighten them down, it doesn't move at all.  


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Vince

1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car

GTS.org Admin


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 19-January-2020 at 10:37AM
yes! but from what i understand the 72's had a smaller hole in the frame?....


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION



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