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Topic: 351W > 460 swap. Video! (9/13)
Posted By: Psquare75
Subject: 351W > 460 swap. Video! (9/13)
Date Posted: 19-July-2006 at 2:40PM

So here we go.. This was from 6 PM to 9 PM tonight..

Pics speak for themselves.

Enjoy!



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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500



Replies:
Posted By: Torinogts73c
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 1:47AM
    Paul do you have 17" wheels on yout Cougar? What size tires?  Gary

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Gary 73 Gran Torino Sport 351CJ,17 Mustang Ecoboost,15 Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD, Ford Ranger parts hauler


"Never complain Never explain" Henry Ford


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 4:18AM
Yes, 17x 8 and 17x9.. 255 50 17 and 275 50 17.

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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: GranTorinoSport
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 8:11AM
Wow, Keep us updated! that is a great deal of work for 3 hours!

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Scott Eklund

Webmaster


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 4:33PM
Day 2!
 
Engine out today. What a mess.   :?  I had a plug for the tranny however, go figure. Just antifreeze was flowing..
 
 


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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 4:15PM

New pics. Today I managed to sand clean and paint the firewall (forgot a pic, oops). Also undercoated the frame/etc. I sealed up the a/c box panel, and put back the heater motor cover. Tomorrow, the 460 goes in. 

My reducer cones (3" to 2.5") also fit into my mufflers.. how exciting. (for lack of other pics, I showed that).
 


 



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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 22-July-2006 at 1:11PM

Well.. I got the firewall painted yesterday (friday).

 

What an ABORTION today.

 

I spent all day, physically pulling the 460/c6 from my Elite (it was all unbolted/unwired, etc, I just had to physically hoist it). What a mess! the transmission fluid bug struck bigtime.

 

Getting it IN the car was fun. I am white trash at it's best.. a combination of a 15# sledge and a craftsman tractor with a plow helped me shove it in.

 

Spent an hour fighting with the transmission xmember.

 

Spent 45 minutes with the passenger side header.

 

An HOUR AND A HALF on the drivers side. Whoever designed these Super Comps needs to be hit off the head with one.

 

So.. what were the casualties?

 

1 pre bent tranny line.. kinked near the starter.

My distributor cap. the clear one that made timing a breeze

a few scratches in my jet hotted headers.. I can deal.

 

tomorrow, I'm going to start putting everything back together... inner fenders/rad support/etc.. then deal with wiring.

 

The fun never stops.

 

Oh.. did I mention it rained off and on outside?

 



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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: JimW
Date Posted: 22-July-2006 at 6:26PM
It's very strange you had as many problems as you did, my x-member was the easiest patr of any of the swaps I did, the headers werent' too bad either, on the last 2 times I had the motor out though, I left the headers in place..  (as a matter of fact the pass side header comes out with the engine in the car, only the hood off, drops right out the bottom..  Motor and firewall sure do look nice though, it's going to be real nice to see it all done..  (and 3 hours work for the whoel front end?   WOW!!)
 
Jim 


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1976 S&H Gran Torino

460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6

545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8

More to come!!!!

463rwhp/495rwtq

two tons of fun

see it and hear it at:

www.torinocobra.com

www.st


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 23-July-2006 at 3:34AM
Jim, I pulled the engine with headers on from my Elite. The car had no steering linkage/wiper motor/brake booster.. It came out relatively easily.
 
I removed the headers outside of the car.. no big deal either.
 
However,I had issues getting it *in* because.
1. My transmission is the extra long/extra heavy duty (with the big ribs on top) C6  from a Lincoln Mark III. I think it's 4" longer at the tailshaft than a 'standard' one. That made the 'tip angle' much deeper.
2. Again, the length.. I think the trans mount I'm using has longer studs or something maybe. I had 3 floor jacks getting the x member and transmission together.. (I probably should have done the x member while installing it, instead of after).
3. The headers... Passenger side was ok.. went from the bottom up. No A/C made it almost fall into place.. I had the engine up 2" off the frame. Drivers side was awful.  I was cursing Hooker headers, Ford for the car, Saginaw for their steering box, my floor jack, and myself for doing this at all. Angry

I wonder if because I had a Saginaw box they fit differently. I had the car literally jacked up as high as I could, the engine up as high as IT could go... They still were a bitch. I don't remember having this trouble in the Elite... but.. I did install them lying in the dirt, and I was able to dig out the ground as they 'got stuck'.
 
So, we'll see what happens.. Today if I can get the firewall reassembled, and the nose back on I'll be happy.
 
 


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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: Torinogts73c
Date Posted: 23-July-2006 at 11:29AM
Paul I once had a Tech tell that if I wanted to install a 460 that the Saginaw gear would have to go and a ford box would takr it's place.  It was said that there wouldn't be enough clearance on the left side! Now I think he was on to something. Gary 

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Gary 73 Gran Torino Sport 351CJ,17 Mustang Ecoboost,15 Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD, Ford Ranger parts hauler


"Never complain Never explain" Henry Ford


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 23-July-2006 at 2:30PM
Well, it fits once it's in.. it's GETTING the header into place.

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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 23-July-2006 at 3:34PM

Busy day today.

I put back all the firewall components. POR15d bolts, wiper motor, brake booster, etc. The "new" rad support and inner fenders are on (These are from my Elite, which I had sandblasted, por15d and undercoated/etc). Started swapping components from the inner fenders over, ran the wiring harnesses, cleaned up the intake manifold, and put a fender in place, just so I can say it looks sort of like a car again.



I just hope the damn thing will run.
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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: JimW
Date Posted: 24-July-2006 at 4:57AM
I don't know how you can wait until it's together to try to fire it.
:-)


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1976 S&H Gran Torino

460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6

545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8

More to come!!!!

463rwhp/495rwtq

two tons of fun

see it and hear it at:

www.torinocobra.com

www.st


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 24-July-2006 at 5:05AM
Well. like I said, I have 12 days till the 'rents come home.. I'd rather have a non running car, with the yard clean, than a yard full of sh*t, with a frame/engine running, lol.
 
I had to do another summit order for last minut stuff anyway.
 


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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 24-July-2006 at 4:17PM

Meh, not much done today. The nose is "loosely" on.. I'll leave it like this until the hood is on, then I can line up the panels. I also POR15'd a bunch of the front brackets on the rad support... and my hands. 

And yes, my car is powered by a Mr Fusion. 



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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: JimW
Date Posted: 25-July-2006 at 1:52AM
the suspense is killing me!


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1976 S&H Gran Torino

460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6

545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8

More to come!!!!

463rwhp/495rwtq

two tons of fun

see it and hear it at:

www.torinocobra.com

www.st


Posted By: PatsPOS
Date Posted: 25-July-2006 at 6:46AM
Is the battery box leaf a factory option, or did you install that as an aftermarket piece? Big smile
 
Pat


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 25-July-2006 at 7:11AM
That's a special aftermarket piece. Tree leaves in my town are a decades old remedy for rusty battery trays. I could send you some for $10 a leaf. :-)

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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: Torinogts73c
Date Posted: 25-July-2006 at 2:19PM
Is that the transducer cover on top of the Carb? Or the flux capcitor? LOL !  Looking good though. Hey i just scored some closed chamber heads for my Torino with Boss 351 stainless steel valves and some other goodies. Now I will order my 392 stroker kit! Gary

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Gary 73 Gran Torino Sport 351CJ,17 Mustang Ecoboost,15 Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD, Ford Ranger parts hauler


"Never complain Never explain" Henry Ford


Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 25-July-2006 at 3:05PM
Is there enough room to dump the exhaust out the sides??  I was hoping I can do that with mine when I get to that point. Some of you guys mentioned that there was not much room in the torinos for 3" - 4" pipes in the rear axle area. 


Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 25-July-2006 at 3:11PM
   I like the air breather too !!  $2.99 at any ace hardware store rite  !


Posted By: JimW
Date Posted: 25-July-2006 at 3:59PM
The problem with side exit is the rear lower control arms, the frame hangs abit low back there and 3" pipes will hit the ground occasionally unless your car sits up high..
(I had 2.5" out the side and it was close enough that I ripped one off occasionally)
Jim


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1976 S&H Gran Torino

460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6

545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8

More to come!!!!

463rwhp/495rwtq

two tons of fun

see it and hear it at:

www.torinocobra.com

www.st


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 26-July-2006 at 3:13PM

Well, Lots done, I guess.
Carb is on, throttle is hooked up.. Kickdown is not. I hooked up the fuel line and gauge setup I got. Still need to go from there to the filter to the pump.

I changed my cracked dizzy cap (Summit makes a clear one. That was a $40 mistake).
I installed my PA performance 3g alternator kit, as well as the 3g alternator I got from FordFuelInjection.com

My alternator was dynoed, it came with a sheet, LOL.

I wired up a relay for the ignition, and hid it behind the battery.
I also mounted a fuse panel (I think it's actually a fuse block from my father's 57 Chevy) in a small Radio Shack project box. This box has fuses for the fan, ign, and will have some for the headlights.

I still need to wire loom the wires... but man, I discovered velcro zip ties from Radio Shack (my mother got me some, long story).

In other news.. my Flexalite fan VSC controller is JUNK!. I bought this 5 years ago, it worked when I parked the car.. now whenever power is applied to that board, the fan turns on! WTF! I found out that FAL redesigned the board... 3 years ago. I emailed em, hoping they'll cut me a break. This is rediculous.

My air cleaner may JUST BARELY clear the hood.. I hope. I wanted to run the stock cleaner sealed to the hoodscoop.. We'll see when the hood is on.

So.. here's the messy engine bay.  :lol:



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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 26-July-2006 at 3:29PM
     Has any one ever made an exaust  out of square channel stock ( for example  a peice that is 1 1/2"  X 6"  schld  40  that can receave a 460 manifold and dump out to a good expansion chamber. ?  Or should I try to make one that will work with the proper back preasure?  A quick connect as well for inspection change overs.


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 2:28PM
Steve, NASCAR uses "oval" pipe for ground clearance.. that help?
 
Well, it doesn't run yet, as I spent 2 hours trying to get the @!^!%#*( distributor lined up. I only have like, 30 degrees of actual turning, because of a stupid temp sensor I need to remove (which is leaving tomorrow) and the plug wires need to be re aligned for proper length.

My starter is also grinding itself to pieces on every 3rd attempt, so I ordered a gear reduction piece while I'm at it..

However, I did wire loom everything, heh.

I'll play with exhaust while I wait for a starter to arrive.
 


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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 01-August-2006 at 1:53PM

Hood scoop hole cut. I can go 14x4 and have clearance for the top of the scoop. I want to use the OEM bottom, sealed to the hood. I just need to find a seal from a random vehicles trunk that will seal tightly.  (note seal that doesnt fit)



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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 01-September-2006 at 1:50PM

A month since my last update..
 :roll:

Exhaust is done.. Just need to spray it with some BBQ grill paint and bolt it back up.
Parts are
3" Jegs X pipe
3" > 2.5" flowmaster reducer cones
2.5" Borla ProXS mufflers
2.5" Flowmaster "UFit" Kit.. I had to cut and weld it all.

I put flanges after the mufflers, so I can drop the center section if I need to drop a tranny.. or want to run cutouts .

Not bad for my first attempt at this sort of thing.



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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: JimW
Date Posted: 05-September-2006 at 1:51AM
Looks very nice!   Car should sound very healthy..   Not as deep as an H, but will have a very hard edge to it..   Did you totally solve the starter problem?  


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1976 S&H Gran Torino

460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6

545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8

More to come!!!!

463rwhp/495rwtq

two tons of fun

see it and hear it at:

www.torinocobra.com

www.st


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 05-September-2006 at 2:33AM
Jim, Yes.. The issue was that gear lash as people were saying on the 460 forum. I took the starter, slotted the unthreaded hole, and machined off (well, angle grinder) half of teh 'seat' on the starter flange, so I could  have some adjustment. Now it's perfect, or at least, a million times better than before, and no more grinding.
 
I'll have another update later this week :-)


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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: JimW
Date Posted: 05-September-2006 at 4:47AM
Can't wait.  I am taking pics of my trials and tribulations, I just havent' pulled them out of the camera yet..  (two broken valve springs, just the inners).  I have lots of work to do, especially since the seal got damaged and it looks like some of it got to the pan, so off that comes as well.. )
 
At least so far it looks like the cam and valve seats survived the ruckus..
 
Jim
 


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1976 S&H Gran Torino

460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6

545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8

More to come!!!!

463rwhp/495rwtq

two tons of fun

see it and hear it at:

www.torinocobra.com

www.st


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 05-September-2006 at 7:22AM

Yuck. I really hope the alignment of my pushrods is somewhat ok.. It's not perfect, but close. There was a guy on the 460 forum with an overbuilt 545 with the same cam I'm running now.. He built it for his truck.. engine pulled like 500 hp @ 5000 and 600.. on the downward slope of the torque curve, from 2000 - 4000.. That'd be good enough for a reliable mid 12 second run with some traction, and be streetable enough to drive cross country if the owner so chose. lol.  

I want something both bullet proof, reliable, and relatively low maintenance.
 
This right now can be my 'starter' engine. :-) I'll post a video once I get the exhaust leaks sorted out (stupid aluminum gaskets)


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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: JimW
Date Posted: 05-September-2006 at 8:45AM

Traction is always the key....

:-)

I will say that since I've gone the stroker route, I'll never go back...  It's just easy, effortless power, I just need to be a little more realistic because if you think it might break, it probably will...  (I chose the SCJA heads and the springs with those were close to their limits with the cam I'm running).  I am looking towards the solid roller option next, it's just a $$$ thing....

 

Jim



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1976 S&H Gran Torino

460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6

545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8

More to come!!!!

463rwhp/495rwtq

two tons of fun

see it and hear it at:

www.torinocobra.com

www.st


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 11-September-2006 at 6:05PM

So over the weekend I got a lot accomplished

Tranny cooler mounted with hard line from the radiator to the cooler, save for 1.5" of hose (cooler has barb ends). Came out nice.

Plug wires are sorted out and are run nicely (yes, this was a bigger deal than it sounds.  :oops: )

AEM wideband is working (car idles around 13:1 A/F ratio)

Fixed my exhaust leaks, either by welding up what was leaking, or permatex, in teh case of the collector gaskets.

Timing is at 13 deg

Electric fan controller works. Fans come on at 190, off at 180... car will idle with fans blowing full tilt at 178.

Filled the tranny... no leaks.


Ok, so it wasn't THAT productive of a weekend.

Things left to do.
Tighten exhaust hangars (once my tips arrive I can see how off the pipes are from each other)
see if playing with the mixture screws gets me anything.
Clamp the tranny lines together + to the rad support
Rebend the fuel filter-to-carb-inlet-line.. Mine had a nice kickup to it under the radiator hose, that basically reduced the outlet size by 50%  :roll:
See if I can make a small skip go away. I'm thinking it might actually have been because one of the headers leaked at the collector gasket for about 1" of the circumference of the gasket, but we'll see.

I should probably pop the valve covers and check the rockers to see if they are still tight, etc.

Oh yah.. drain the radiator and flush the whole thing.. The water has a lovely brown appearance.. I never drained the block when the car sat.  :oops:

It's really just button up some minor things, then I can actually drive it..

I did move it this past Saturday... 25 feet in the driveway.. with no brakes (unrelated story).. so I didn't try anything in the driveway, heh.

For a shameless pic.. who knew that K&N filters fade in sunlight?



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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: JimW
Date Posted: 12-September-2006 at 9:05AM

In the last three days, I and a friend reassembled the engine, set the valves, installed the engine, trans, d/s loop, d/s, exhaust and detailed the tail lights, rear bumper filler, and the brake booster.  Next is finishing the master cylinder, replumbing the oil and temp gauges, carb, radiator and fan, accessories, putting in the new carpet and scuff plates and NHRA legal belts then topping off all the fluids.... 

 
All this needs to go smoothly and be done before Friday..  Happy Happy, Joy Joy.

 

:-)

 

Jim  



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1976 S&H Gran Torino

460/C6/4.33 13.05@105.6

545/C6/3.56 11.52@117.8

More to come!!!!

463rwhp/495rwtq

two tons of fun

see it and hear it at:

www.torinocobra.com

www.st


Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 12-September-2006 at 1:53PM
  I got lost some how for 2 weeks.My wife reconnected me tonite.I think you got alot done this month.Well I stripped my interior out this week end and found alot
of rust in the floor boards.So I am interested in what you may have in that department. You may get mail from me soon for the tranny frame.  My father gave me a C-6 that came out of a E-350 van with out over drive. So I think I'm all set there. My next move is to replace all the bushings.
 


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 12-September-2006 at 2:16PM
Steve, take some pics of your floors, and we can talk.
 
Jim, Wow.. Granted, I'm down to two hours a night (I really need to clean the garage so I can get the car in there). I did rebend that fuel line tonight, and flushed the radiator... amazingly brown/yuck.. no more exhaust leak either. :-)


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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 12-September-2006 at 5:57PM

Video!

I redid the fuel line today, and flushed the cooling system.. I love watching rusty antifreeze/water flow up out of my radiator.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8356832450949720452&hl=en - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8356832450949720452&hl=en

And no, my car doesn't sound like a helicopter in person... I swear.. I can't explain that one.. must be the camera.  :-?



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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: GranTorinoSport
Date Posted: 13-September-2006 at 11:33AM
I love your videos!

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Scott Eklund

Webmaster



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