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Topic: front disk break updates?
Posted By: kversch
Subject: front disk break updates?
Date Posted: 19-October-2012 at 6:13PM
looking for any and all info anyone may have on updating the front disk brakes.   I now have a set of mark 4 calipers and brackets so i can go up to a larger rotor.   I have been trying to find info on the police rotors  but am having a hard time finding much info at all about them.

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-kevin-
Brown 72 gran torino 351c 2v
Black 73 GTS FB 302
Red 73 GTS FB 351C C6 trans
73 GTS FB Parted
73 torino 4dr, 302, FMX parted
97 F250 crew cab 7.3 diesel

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Posted By: aquartlow
Date Posted: 20-October-2012 at 12:20AM
kversch,
  By upgrading are you referring to increasing the diameter of the front rotors? If so, Mark IV's used 11 13/16 rotors which is an increase over the 10 3/4" rotors that most Ford/Mercury intermediates came with. These Mark IV rotors use the very same wheel bearings, brake calipers and brake pads as the smaller rotor version uses, but there are differences in the caliper mounting bracket and the Mark IV rotor's bolt pattern being a 5 on 5" bolt circle whereas most Fords used the 5 on 4.5" bolt circle. There is an 11 13/16 rotor that Ford made with a 5 on 4.5" BC the problem is that it was made for '72 only and the differences in bearing size/location where it mounts on the spindle requiring a set of '72 front spindles from an LTD and possibly a Thunderbird or Torino, to use these one year only rotors to be able to be used. Another option is using the Mark IV rotors but having them redrilled for the smaller bolt pattern. There are aftermarket options available at considerable cost. I hope this helps, Todd


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Posted By: aquartlow
Date Posted: 20-October-2012 at 1:08AM
Originally posted by aquartlow aquartlow wrote:

kversch,
  By upgrading are you referring to increasing the diameter of the front rotors? If so, Mark IV's used 11 13/16 rotors which is an increase over the 10 3/4" rotors that most Ford/Mercury intermediates came with. These Mark IV rotors use the very same wheel bearings, brake calipers and brake pads as the smaller rotor version uses, but there are differences in the caliper mounting bracket and the Mark IV rotor's bolt pattern being a 5 on 5" bolt circle whereas most Fords used the 5 on 4.5" bolt circle. There is an 11 13/16 rotor that Ford made with a 5 on 4.5" BC the problem is that it was made for '72 only and the differences in bearing size/location where it mounts on the spindle requiring a set of '72 front spindles from an LTD and possibly a Thunderbird or Torino, to use these one year only rotors to be able to be used. Another option is using the Mark IV rotors but having them redrilled for the smaller bolt pattern. There are aftermarket options available at considerable cost. I hope this helps, Todd
 
 I should have wrote "updating" instead of upgrading, sorry for my error. Todd


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Yeah, It's a Hybrid...It burns gas and tires.

No matter how good she looks, somebody, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t.

Beauty is skin deep, ugliness goes clear to the bone.


Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 20-October-2012 at 1:54AM
Good info. I would like to upgrade as well and am looking into a 5 X 5 bolt pattern rotor off a GM truck, since I have a 9 inch with the disc brakes and that bolt pattern. Wonder what i would have to do to make that work?

Do you want me to pull the '72 spindles off for you that are on that Ranchero before I scrap it?

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Joe
1972 Mom's Squire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous
Popeye and Brutus (Rams)


Posted By: kversch
Date Posted: 20-October-2012 at 6:02AM
Yes i am refering to increasing the sized, and possibility of going with drilled and slotted rotors.     I would like to stay with the 5 on 4.5  to avoid having to change the rear over.  (side question:  what years had 9in rears with a 5 on 5  to make for a relatively easy swap?)    So ford only offered the larger rotors in 1972?    Was there a 73 police rotor that was bigger?   Did it use the 73 spindles or would you still need to have a set of 72 spindles?

When i was looking on rock auto  they show a premium rotor for the police/taxi cars for both 72 and 73.  They show them to be the same rotors.  Both being the larger size.  The 72 are Raybestos pn: 6028R and the 73 are Raybestos pn: 6030R.    The stock rotors for 72/72 shair the same part number Raybestos pn: 6026R     

Now I also came across a NOS set of rotors on ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/73-Ford-Galaxie-Torino-Ranchero-Mercury-Disc-Brake-Rotor-Pair-NOS-Police-Taxi-/400322875061?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d351a4eb5&vxp=mtr" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.com/itm/73-Ford-Galaxie-Torino-Ranchero-Mercury-Disc-Brake-Rotor-Pair-NOS-Police-Taxi-/400322875061?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d351a4eb5&vxp=mtr    The seller says they are 1973 Galaxie, Torino, Ranchero, Mercury police taxi brake rotors.  The ad says they are the larger diameter 11 23/32.    The part number listed is 6030.  Witch matches the rock auto part number from Raybestos.    The interchange part number reads D3OZ-1102-A.


What are the difference in bearing size and location from the 72 to the 73?


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-kevin-
Brown 72 gran torino 351c 2v
Black 73 GTS FB 302
Red 73 GTS FB 351C C6 trans
73 GTS FB Parted
73 torino 4dr, 302, FMX parted
97 F250 crew cab 7.3 diesel

http://kverschtorino.blogspot.com/


Posted By: aquartlow
Date Posted: 20-October-2012 at 7:15AM
A rear axle assembly from a '75-'76 T-bird as well as mid 70's Lincoln Mark series have the larger 5 on 5" BC as well as rear disc brakes(sometimes an added bonus), that will bolt right into the same brackets and use upper/lower rear control arms. Ford, IIRC, only offered the larger 11.72" diameter rotors with a 5 x 4.5" BC in '72(example '72 LTD).  A '73-on Police/Taxi rotor is basically a Lincoln rotor, by that I mean that it will bolt up to the '73-on Torino spindle(dimensionally the same as far as bearings, seal and bearing placement go). They designated that the rotor being Police/Taxi because of the larger rotor diameter being able to be used on an intermediate car line. If you look up bearings/seals for the front of a Lincoln Continental/Towncar or a '73-'76 Torino they will be identical, even though the Torino came with a smaller rotor with the smaller BC. I am not sure of spindle interchangability between the Lincoln & Torino though. Police and Taxi rotors of this era were almost always a 5 x 5" BC (I have never seen a 5 x 4.5" BC Police/Taxi front rotor of the 70's). I know the LTD spindle that would allow an 11.72" or so front rotor, is a bit "stubbier" than a later model spindle. The later model spindles spread the bearings further apart making for a more stable set-up with less force working against the wheel bearings. Another note is the overall height of the rotor of these larger diameter 5 on 4.5" BC rotors, they have a height that is about .30" shorter(remember the stubbier spindle design?), which could basically move the rotor's brake surface centerline (depending on bearing placement and/or spindle design). If you have a '72 Torino, the '72 LTD's larger rotors will work with the bearings but you will need to get the caliper mounting brackets because of the diameter difference. If you are working with a '73 then having the rotors re-drilled for the smaller BC is an option or changing the rear axle to the larger 5 x 5" BC is another. Sorry to be so long winded, just trying to give as much info I have discovered when I investigated going with larger rotors. I hope this helps. Todd

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Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 20-October-2012 at 11:18AM
That is great info. So, if I use my '75 spindles, I can utilize the Lincoln/Torino taxi rotors with no mods? What calipers and brackets would we have to use?

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Joe
1972 Mom's Squire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous
Popeye and Brutus (Rams)


Posted By: aquartlow
Date Posted: 20-October-2012 at 1:16PM
Originally posted by unlovedford unlovedford wrote:

That is great info. So, if I use my '75 spindles, I can utilize the Lincoln/Torino taxi rotors with no mods? What calipers and brackets would we have to use?
 
Yes, you will just need to find/purchase the caliper mounting brackets that are used for the larger rotors for the conversion to be successful. The brackets will mount to both the Torino or Lincoln, the mounting points on the spindle are identical. You can also use brackets from other "big" car models of the 70's if needed. Models include, '75-'76 T-bird,'74-on Mercury Marquis, Lincoln Continental-Towncar-Mark series, Ford LTD and maybe a few others. The calipers, brake pads, brake caliper bracket bolts and caliper hardware are the same. Todd


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www.supermotors.net/22468
Yeah, It's a Hybrid...It burns gas and tires.

No matter how good she looks, somebody, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t.

Beauty is skin deep, ugliness goes clear to the bone.


Posted By: kversch
Date Posted: 20-October-2012 at 1:48PM
Todd this is all amazing info  thanks so much for the help so far.Thumbs Up
ok so I have the caliper mounting brackets I purchased from nick   http://forum.grantorinosport.org/nos-72-bumper-guards-police-calipers_topic7943.html" rel="nofollow - http://forum.grantorinosport.org/nos-72-bumper-guards-police-calipers_topic7943.html

they were from a mid 70s mark 4.   so in order to use the larger rotors on my 73 gts  i just need to take the 72 spindles form the 72 gts parts car i have correct?  and use the rotors for a 72 police/taxi  and then I will still maintain the 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern in the front.  

so the 73 police/taxi i saw would be a 5 on 5 bolt pattern then or am i confused still.


I apologize for all the confusion and questions.  Slowly trying to sort all the technical info out in my head.


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-kevin-
Brown 72 gran torino 351c 2v
Black 73 GTS FB 302
Red 73 GTS FB 351C C6 trans
73 GTS FB Parted
73 torino 4dr, 302, FMX parted
97 F250 crew cab 7.3 diesel

http://kverschtorino.blogspot.com/


Posted By: aquartlow
Date Posted: 20-October-2012 at 3:40PM
Originally posted by kversch kversch wrote:

Todd this is all amazing info  thanks so much for the help so far.Thumbs Up
ok so I have the caliper mounting brackets I purchased from nick   http://forum.grantorinosport.org/nos-72-bumper-guards-police-calipers_topic7943.html" rel="nofollow - http://forum.grantorinosport.org/nos-72-bumper-guards-police-calipers_topic7943.html

they were from a mid 70s mark 4.   so in order to use the larger rotors on my 73 gts  i just need to take the 72 spindles form the 72 gts parts car i have correct?  and use the rotors for a 72 police/taxi  and then I will still maintain the 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern in the front.  

so the 73 police/taxi i saw would be a 5 on 5 bolt pattern then or am i confused still.


I apologize for all the confusion and questions.  Slowly trying to sort all the technical info out in my head.
 
Yes, the '72 Police/Taxi(LTD) 11.72" rotors have the 5 on 4.5" BC and should mount to the '72 GTS spindles which are then mounted on your '73 chassis(starting to sound like that "One piece at a time" Johnny Cash song). The '73 and later Police/Taxi 11.72" rotors have the larger 5 on 5" BC(same as previously mentioned Lincoln's, Mercury's and larger Fords. Due to Ford doing strange things during the 70's you would be wise to do "hands-on" trial and error part fitament to be absolutely sure of part interchange. The ball joints look to be the same #'s for upper and lower for '72-'76 so you should be good to go there. I was confused LONG before this LOL. Todd  


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Yeah, It's a Hybrid...It burns gas and tires.

No matter how good she looks, somebody, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t.

Beauty is skin deep, ugliness goes clear to the bone.


Posted By: aquartlow
Date Posted: 21-October-2012 at 1:33AM
Kversch,
 As a side note, depending on when in '73 your GTS was produced, you may be able to install the larger rotors to the GTS spindles instead of having to swap to the '72 spindles. In late '73  Ford/Lincoln/Mercury went with their version of standardized bearings for their intermediate/fullsize car lines. Like I referred to in my previous reply, it's really a must to do a trial and error fitament of parts to ensure compatability. Good luck with your project and keep us posted on the outcome. Fordmuscle.com also has a write-up of doing this very same conversion, they have some  good info as well. Todd


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www.supermotors.net/22468
Yeah, It's a Hybrid...It burns gas and tires.

No matter how good she looks, somebody, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t.

Beauty is skin deep, ugliness goes clear to the bone.


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 21-October-2012 at 1:57AM
i was gonna point out regarding a reference to using 1973 parts somewhere up above...
 
just skip over thinking about using a 73 as a donor car unless you can verify that it's a late m/y build date with the 74+ style spindles. 73 was a transition year
 
Cardone 16-4083 & 16-4084 'bolt-on-ready' calipers include brackets
 
http://www.cardone.com/find-parts/vehicle-parts-listing?make=Ford&model=LTD%20%28Full%20Size%29&year=1975" rel="nofollow - http://www.cardone.com/find-parts/vehicle-parts-listing?make=Ford&model=LTD%20(Full%20Size)&year=1975
 
 


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: PS122
Date Posted: 21-October-2012 at 12:58PM
I've been planning to upgrade to the 11.72" rotors but have had considerable difficulty finding the caliper mounting brackets. (Few yards around here have parts going back to the70s). Any ideas for sourcing them?

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Joe
'76 S&H Gran Torino
http://starskytorino.com/joes/joes.html


Posted By: CheeseSteakJim
Date Posted: 21-October-2012 at 1:56PM
I just sold a pair to Kversch a couple weeks ago, they were for sale on here. Brackets from a 70's Lincoln Continental are the same.

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1972 Ford GTS Formal, H-code, automatic (SOLD)
1979 Chevy El Camino SS/Royal Knight, 355ci, TH350, Posi 10-bolt
1988 Lincoln Town Car, T5 5spd,
1966 Lincoln Continental Coupe
1981 Honda CB650 bobber


Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 21-October-2012 at 2:11PM
Are these available used in JY only, or can they be purchased OTC?

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Joe
1972 Mom's Squire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous
Popeye and Brutus (Rams)


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 21-October-2012 at 2:19PM
the Cardone numbers i listed above also apply to a 1974 Lincoln Continental
 
Cardone 'bolt-on-ready' calipers come with brackets
 
http://www.cardone.com/find-parts/vehicle-parts-listing?make=Lincoln&model=Continental&year=1974" rel="nofollow - http://www.cardone.com/find-parts/vehicle-parts-listing?make=Lincoln&model=Continental&year=1974
 
i didn't find caliper brackets available separately on the Cardone site but they do have ebay listings for brackets only, not sure what the PN would be for our app


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72 GT Ute
   


Posted By: kversch
Date Posted: 22-October-2012 at 3:15PM
So something like this would make a good parts car to get a lot of the parts off?   Should this have a disk brake rear 9in to?  http://fingerlakes.craigslist.org/cto/3337068434.html" rel="nofollow - http://fingerlakes.craigslist.org/cto/3337068434.html
75 lincoln mark 4

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-kevin-
Brown 72 gran torino 351c 2v
Black 73 GTS FB 302
Red 73 GTS FB 351C C6 trans
73 GTS FB Parted
73 torino 4dr, 302, FMX parted
97 F250 crew cab 7.3 diesel

http://kverschtorino.blogspot.com/


Posted By: madmaxtorino
Date Posted: 22-October-2012 at 3:18PM
yes it does



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Allan
Revelation 6:8
When there is no more room in Hell, the dead will walk the Earth.


Posted By: Ranchero Fan
Date Posted: 22-October-2012 at 5:09PM
That markIII in the background in the 4th pic, should have a RIMBLOW steering wheelWink

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Brian   1973 Ford Ranchero Big Block. ''THE OTHER WOMAN''


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 23-October-2012 at 3:23AM
Big front discs
rear discs
sway bars
tilt (with some work)
Rim-don't-blow wheel
460/c6

If you're feeling adventurous the rear abs could be adapted.


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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: Regul8r
Date Posted: 23-October-2012 at 6:30AM
correct me if I'm wrong but that Licoln will have the bigger 5x5 bolt pattern?
But everything else should bolt right up.
 
Was there a WIDTH difference on the rear end?


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1976 Ford Elite "Lola Mae"
97 Suzuki Intruder 1400
US Army Retired


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 23-October-2012 at 7:15AM
Mark III does not, not sure on Mark IV. Mark III axles will fit a Torino housing.

Also.

http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2004/07/12inchBrakeConversion/" rel="nofollow - http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2004/07/12inchBrakeConversion/
http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2003/11/torinoreardiscs/" rel="nofollow - http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2003/11/torinoreardiscs/


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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 24-October-2012 at 11:22AM
To those who have done this conversion, is there a real world difference in stopping power? Or does the larger rotor just offer more thermal capacity?

Has anyone tried hi-po brake pads to increase stopping power? I see that Hawk makes several options for our cars.

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1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car

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Posted By: kversch
Date Posted: 25-October-2012 at 10:19AM
just realized i spelled  drakes wrong in the title  oops.

next question do you gain anything by changing over to a 5 on 5?   are there more after market options available for a the 5 on 5 vs  the 5 on 4.5?    Whats the bolt pattern  for mustangs of the 70's?

I checked the build date on my car its a mind year car  I think it was a May of 73 car.   I pulled a wheel and measured across the rotor and drums  and found that its a 5 on 4.5.

So that means in order to use the larger police/taxi rotors I most likely need to change over my spindles to the 72 spindles right?




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-kevin-
Brown 72 gran torino 351c 2v
Black 73 GTS FB 302
Red 73 GTS FB 351C C6 trans
73 GTS FB Parted
73 torino 4dr, 302, FMX parted
97 F250 crew cab 7.3 diesel

http://kverschtorino.blogspot.com/


Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 25-October-2012 at 10:46AM
Mustangs and Torinos (w/o Police option) have 5 X 4.5 bolt patterns. The 5 X 5 bolt pattern was full-sized Ford cars (up to 1978, then 5 X 4.5 pattern)and 1/2 ton GM trucks from 1970's through the 1998 models. 1/2 Ton Ford trucks from the 50's through 1996 (except certain light-duty '80's F100 ((5 X 4.5)) have the 5 X 5.5 bolt pattern. Some F150's in the 1997-2003 models have that same pattern, but much different offset.

Mopar had 5 X 4.25 and 5 X 4.5 bolt patterns for cars and 5 X 4.5 and 5 X 5.5 for later 1/2 ton trucks

AMC had 5 X 4.5 bolt patterns

Confusing, but I have dealt with mixing wheels for years.

** THESE ARE ONLY FOR THE 5 BOLT PATTERN VERSIONS **

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Joe
1972 Mom's Squire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous
Popeye and Brutus (Rams)


Posted By: aquartlow
Date Posted: 25-October-2012 at 1:17PM
Originally posted by kversch kversch wrote:

just realized i spelled  drakes wrong in the title  oops.

next question do you gain anything by changing over to a 5 on 5?   are there more after market options available for a the 5 on 5 vs  the 5 on 4.5?    Whats the bolt pattern  for mustangs of the 70's?

I checked the build date on my car its a mind year car  I think it was a May of 73 car.   I pulled a wheel and measured across the rotor and drums  and found that its a 5 on 4.5.

So that means in order to use the larger police/taxi rotors I most likely need to change over my spindles to the 72 spindles right?


 
It would be really hard to give accurate advice on what will fit/interchange without removing the the hub/rotor and inspecting the spindle or better yet removing the inner bearing and look at it's part number on your '73. You may have the early model spindles still on your Torino, allowing the '72 and early '73 larger brake rotors with the 5 x 4.5" bolt pattern.  If you remove the hub/rotor and look at the inner wheel bearing #'s you should find inner bearing #L68149 with inner bearing cone/race #L68110 which has an O.D. of 2.328" for this to work with the larger early model hub/rotor that is 11.72" diameter police/taxi rotors with 5 x 4.5" bolt pattern. If your inner wheel bearing # is L69349 with inner bearing cone/race #L69310 which has an O.D. of 2.48", then you have the later model spindle on your Torino. The outer wheel bearings/cones(races) are the same for the early and later models. I hope this helps and doesn't add confusion. Todd


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Yeah, It's a Hybrid...It burns gas and tires.

No matter how good she looks, somebody, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t.

Beauty is skin deep, ugliness goes clear to the bone.


Posted By: kversch
Date Posted: 25-October-2012 at 1:24PM
Not at all Todd  thanksThumbs Up   This is just the kinda info I have been looking for.  I love digging deep in to my car to see just what I have.   Then being able to do the research and figure out how I can make it better.

joe thanks for the info.    So the 5 on 5 vs the 5 on 4.5 really is only changing wheel choices and the 5 on 4.5 was used enough that it doesn't effect options then.


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-kevin-
Brown 72 gran torino 351c 2v
Black 73 GTS FB 302
Red 73 GTS FB 351C C6 trans
73 GTS FB Parted
73 torino 4dr, 302, FMX parted
97 F250 crew cab 7.3 diesel

http://kverschtorino.blogspot.com/


Posted By: aquartlow
Date Posted: 25-October-2012 at 1:41PM
Always glad to help when possible Wink. Todd

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www.supermotors.net/22468
Yeah, It's a Hybrid...It burns gas and tires.

No matter how good she looks, somebody, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t.

Beauty is skin deep, ugliness goes clear to the bone.


Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 26-October-2012 at 4:12AM
I'd upgrade tires before upgrading brakes.




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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: kversch
Date Posted: 28-October-2012 at 1:43PM
I pulled apart the passenger side front brakes to try and determine exactly what spindles I have on my car.  The first thing I noticed was there seemed to a lot of play back and forth before I even loosened anything. When I looked the inner bearing over I found that it was as Timken and its PN is JL69349  And the race PN is JL69310.    The bearing didnt seem to fit on the spindle at all and appears that having the wrong bearing on had damaged the spindle.  


 I look a look at the spindles off of the 73 4 door we parted out.   The inner bearing on that had a PN of L68149 and a race PN L68110.  Making them the early spindles.     I tried the inner bearing on the spindles that are on my car and it fit perfect making me think they to are the early 73 spindles and the previous owner was sold the wrong bearings at some point.





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-kevin-
Brown 72 gran torino 351c 2v
Black 73 GTS FB 302
Red 73 GTS FB 351C C6 trans
73 GTS FB Parted
73 torino 4dr, 302, FMX parted
97 F250 crew cab 7.3 diesel

http://kverschtorino.blogspot.com/


Posted By: TomiTomi
Date Posted: 06-January-2013 at 7:49AM
Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

i was gonna point out regarding a reference to using 1973 parts somewhere up above...
 
just skip over thinking about using a 73 as a donor car unless you can verify that it's a late m/y build date with the 74+ style spindles. 73 was a transition year
 
Cardone 16-4083 & 16-4084 'bolt-on-ready' calipers include brackets
 
http://www.cardone.com/find-parts/vehicle-parts-listing?make=Ford&model=LTD%20%28Full%20Size%29&year=1975" rel="nofollow - http://www.cardone.com/find-parts/vehicle-parts-listing?make=Ford&model=LTD%20(Full%20Size)&year=1975
 
 



I asked Cardone  about 18-4083/ 18-4084, 16-4083/ 16-4084 and got the following answer:

"We do not offer  these part numbers with brackets. "

Cry



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Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 07-January-2013 at 3:32AM
If you need "late" spindles, I have a full setup.

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Paul
77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: TomiTomi
Date Posted: 07-January-2013 at 8:30AM
I need a pair of caliper mounting brackets for the big (11 13/16”) rotor.

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Posted By: galhetas
Date Posted: 07-January-2013 at 9:55AM
im going to use this ones on my sw, they are 14 " with the six piston calipers from the corvette.

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Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 07-January-2013 at 11:05AM
Originally posted by TomiTomi TomiTomi wrote:

I asked Cardone  about 18-4083/ 18-4084, 16-4083/ 16-4084 and got the following answer: "We do not offer  these part numbers with brackets. " Cry 
 
that blows...


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Posted By: kversch
Date Posted: 07-January-2013 at 1:29PM
Originally posted by galhetas galhetas wrote:

im going to use this ones on my sw, they are 14 " with the six piston calipers from the corvette.


Been watching on your facebook page.   I wish I had the computer/ design abilitys you have to do this for my car.   Looking forward to seeing how it all turns out.


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Brown 72 gran torino 351c 2v
Black 73 GTS FB 302
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73 GTS FB Parted
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Posted By: aquartlow
Date Posted: 07-January-2013 at 2:11PM
Originally posted by galhetas galhetas wrote:

im going to use this ones on my sw, they are 14 " with the six piston calipers from the corvette.
 That wagon should stop on a dime and give back $.09 with those front brakes. You going with rear discs as well? Very nice. A little grindin' on the Corvette script and they would be perfect Wink.


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Posted By: galhetas
Date Posted: 07-January-2013 at 7:06PM
Thanks guys thought you all where going to call me crazy for using this brakes, yes i also want to use the 13" corvette rear disk brakes, but first i want to get the design of the spindles done first.And also the plan is to erase the corvette letters and engrave torino on them

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Posted By: kversch
Date Posted: 08-January-2013 at 12:30PM
Originally posted by galhetas galhetas wrote:

Thanks guys thought you all where going to call me crazy for using this brakes, yes i also want to use the 13" corvette rear disk brakes, but first i want to get the design of the spindles done first.And also the plan is to erase the corvette letters and engrave torino on them


Love it.Clap  looking forward to seeing pics of that.   Be sure to post pics all over the Chevy forums of that processClap


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Brown 72 gran torino 351c 2v
Black 73 GTS FB 302
Red 73 GTS FB 351C C6 trans
73 GTS FB Parted
73 torino 4dr, 302, FMX parted
97 F250 crew cab 7.3 diesel

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Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 09-January-2013 at 2:38AM
Late to the party, but why not use OEM spindles with brackets to adapt the Vette calipers?

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77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
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Posted By: galhetas
Date Posted: 09-January-2013 at 4:27AM
Im not using oem spindles i have desighn dropped spindles to use the corvette brakes

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Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 09-January-2013 at 4:33AM
Ah, I didn't see the 'dropped' part. 

Carry on. 


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77 XR7 460/C6/3.00:1 *SOLD*
78 XR7 523/C6/3.5:1
79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
'I also have some left over potatoes-I understand you can generate electricity from them'- Foote500


Posted By: stuck
Date Posted: 12-January-2013 at 2:55AM
 12" 72-73 front brake upgrade >>> stock spindles + full size lincoln caliper brackets[see link for years] + 72 Tbird 12"rotors 5 lug 4 1/2" pattern[only one with same bearings]  use original calipers. http://www.torinocobra.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=20650   copy and paste link.

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Posted By: TomiTomi
Date Posted: 15-March-2013 at 9:52PM
Originally posted by TomiTomi TomiTomi wrote:

I need a pair of caliper mounting brackets for the big (11 13/16”) rotor.


I'm still looking for this part. Could anyone give me the part number?

It can be found on the following models:
1974-1978 Ford LTD
1974-1977 Ford Custom 500
1974-1979 Lincoln Continental
1977-1979 Lincoln Mark V
1974-1978 Mercury Marquis
1974 Mercury Monterey
1974-1976 Mercury Montego
(and some others)

Tomi


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Posted By: TomiTomi
Date Posted: 01-April-2013 at 10:18PM
A guy here in Hungary has two spare Lincolns. After 4 month I could convince him to sell me a pair of caliper brackets. After restoration they look like that:

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This is the 11,8" rotor I bought:

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It needed a new bolt circle and got some tuning:

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And mounted:

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The new brake fills the wheels . I had to rebalance the wheel with flatter weights. And the centering ring doesn't fit anymore, a thinner one is needed.


The front brakes got cooling:

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So I had to move my number plate to the center:

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Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 02-April-2013 at 2:30AM
WOW! That looks great.

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1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous
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Posted By: Regul8r
Date Posted: 02-April-2013 at 5:53AM
TomiTomi,
looks great!
 
I have 1 comment,
re-route the brake ducts... move both the inlets to the middle of the bumper with a STRAIGHT line to the rotors (no turns).
 
Brake ducts work off the same principal theory as ram air.
Here is a good read...
 
http://www.karlsnet.com/mopar/ramair.shtml" rel="nofollow - http://www.karlsnet.com/mopar/ramair.shtml


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Posted By: Psquare75
Date Posted: 02-April-2013 at 7:26AM
I'd route them the other way... mounted with a bracket to the bottom of the fender, tucked up hidden from view. 

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79 F100 460/TKO500/3.25:1
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Posted By: TomiTomi
Date Posted: 02-April-2013 at 11:50PM
Thanks for ideas.


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Posted By: jester
Date Posted: 27-September-2015 at 8:33AM
Well, I'm really late to the party.  However, I'd like to upgrade my brakes to the police handling package disc brakes, as well.  I'd like it to install just like the factory would have done and using the parts Ford would have used.  So far from what I read, all I need to do is buy the appropriate police/taxi rotors from someplace like AutoZone and find caliper brackets off a full size Ford or Lincoln car.  I'm seeing that I can use my existing calipers or rebuilt calipers of the same kind.  My only issue might be the spindle size, considering early or late model year build of my Torino.  My car was built in late February of 1973.  Finally, backing plates for the police brakes???  Do I need to take the backing plates from the full size car, as well?  Thanks! 


Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 29-September-2015 at 6:40AM
another case of 'I waited too long', somebody bought up all available stock from Rockauto
 
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php?ck%5byear_1995%5d=true&ck%5bmkt_US%5d=true&ck%5bmkt_EU%5d=true&ck%5bmkt_CA%5d=true&ck%5bmkt_MX%5d=true&ck%5bID%5d=700f692be8c32755eb5b22166f97121d&ck%5bidlist%5d=700f692be8c32755eb5b22166f97121d&ck%5bviewcurrency%5d=USD&ck%5bPHP_SESSION_ID%5d=i6rfh183k4ii7vfvp6akm5vst0" rel="nofollow - http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php?ck[year_1995]=true&ck[mkt_US]=true&ck[mkt_EU]=true&ck[mkt_CA]=true&ck[mkt_MX]=true&ck[ID]=700f692be8c32755eb5b22166f97121d&ck[idlist]=700f692be8c32755eb5b22166f97121d&ck[viewcurrency]=USD&ck[PHP_SESSION_ID]=i6rfh183k4ii7vfvp6akm5vst0
 
I've been watching the list for some time now there's nothing available @ $135 a pop
 
next option is to use the ~ 11.8" rotors wit the 5-5 lug pattern & have them drilled to 5-4.5
to find these I went to a 1978 LTD II Police application
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=145507&cc=1131871&jnid=618&jpid=3" rel="nofollow - http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=145507&cc=1131871&jnid=618&jpid=3
 
these rotors use 1974+ spindles/bearings/seals and the good news is they're $100 cheaper, the bad news they have wrong lug pattern to match your existing wheels & rear axles
 
yup, I need a set of large diameter back shields too, and Yes all the calipers are the same 
 
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Feb 1973 build date you need to determine which spindles you have on your car, and make sure you have all the correct bearings that fit the spindles properly!
 
sometime mid 1973 model year build they changed the spindle from what I call 1972 to 1974+, 1973 uses either of those designations depending upon early or late 1973 build date. the change probably happened mid-shift so on one particular day they started with small spindles & finished off with large spindles... that's how things happen where I work
 
with your build date you could have either, or they may've been changed for the other over the years
 
and it may be possible to have incorrect bearings in the assy
 
 
 


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Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 29-September-2015 at 7:41AM
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/BBR1/6028RGS.oap?year=1972&make=Ford&model=Thunderbird&vi=5139983&ck=Search_6028rgs_5139983_4841&keyword=6028rgs" rel="nofollow - http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/BBR1/6028RGS.oap?year=1972&make=Ford&model=Thunderbird&vi=5139983&ck=Search_6028rgs_5139983_4841&keyword=6028rgs +

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Posted By: jester
Date Posted: 29-September-2015 at 10:39AM
Thanks for the info.  I've found the rotors.  All I really need are the mounting brackets off a full size car.  I'm told the backing plates are the same for, either, the 10.72" or the 11.72" rotors.  See the below link:

http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2004/07/12inchBrakeConversion/

The rear can be upgraded using 98 Ford Explorer rear disc brake assembly.  Those are 11.2" rotors with the 5 on 4.5.  And I'm told I'd need to change the master cylinder over to the large Ford master cylinder for cars with front and rear disc brakes.

Plus, I'm told that I'd need to replace my factory 14" Magnum 500 wheels with 15" wheels.  It seems the 14" wheels won't fit over the 11.72 rotors with calipers installed.

I looked at police/taxi rotors for a 74 Torino.  They have the 5 on 5 bolt pattern...  At least, the ones I found for sale by a national store.  I compared wheel bearing sizes between the 72 73 Torino and the 74 Torino.  The 74 bearings are larger.


Posted By: Nuggets
Date Posted: 29-September-2015 at 10:48AM
Any competent hotrod builder or engineering shop should be able to fab up some brackets to take any calliper.....I'm having that done on mine eventually. Will be able to run a bigger disc and a four or six pot wilwood or whatever up front 

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Posted By: jester
Date Posted: 29-September-2015 at 11:02AM
I think I can find the brackets locally...  I haven't looked, yet.  I used to be pretty familiar with all the local junk yards.  Most any 70 to 77 Ford full size car would have the brackets.  The big thing for me at the moment is...  I just bought $700.00 worth of new tires to mount on my 14" Magnums.  I cannot justify buying 15" wheels and another $700.00 worth of tires.

Plus, I'm thinking of selling my Torino, so I can do some remodeling work to my house.  I have two other muscle cars.  So, the Torino can be sacrificed.  Anyone who might want the car may prefer it to be all original.  If I change the brakes over, that might reduce the price I could sell it for.  Making all the changes to upgrade the brakes would probably cost more than a thousand dollars.  That would be a thousand dollars I'd never see again.  It would not add anything to the value of the car.


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 29-September-2015 at 4:35PM
what's the other two muscle cars, you have?

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74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: Mizzou.Mike
Date Posted: 29-September-2015 at 11:47PM
Originally posted by unlovedford unlovedford wrote:

WOW! That looks great.
 
Tomi that car looks awesome!


Posted By: jester
Date Posted: 30-September-2015 at 1:16AM
Hey John,

I have a 1967 Plymouth  GTX (1st year for the model) with a Super Stock 426 Hemi with two four barrels, a 4 speed and a Dana 60 rear.  It is all new and is never driver due to extreme value and impossibility of replacing super stock parts if the car was somehow damaged.

The second car is a 1994 Roush Mustang Cobra Convertible with factory supercharger and factory side pipes.  Roush equipped some of the cars he built in 1994 with the automatic transmission (Just like the five Indy Pace cars he built for the 94 racing season), which my car has.  This car was wrecked when I bought it.  Now, every piece is brand new.  The engine was professionally race prepped and so was the transmission.  However, the transmission shifts as came from the factory, although it is equipped with the hammer shifter which appears to be factory by fitting inside the factory console as though made for it.

The Torino is 'Q' Code (Four Bolt Main).  It has the heavy duty C6 and 9 3/8" rear pumpkin with 3.50 gears, posi and 31 spline axles.  It has the 2.19 intake and 1.76 exhaust valves in the 4V heads.  It has the factory Ford aluminum intake manifold for a Holley.  It has the 780 CFM dual line Holley.  And it has solid lifters.  The engine was fully race prepped.  And so was the C6, which shifts normally.  Importantly, the car has a complete Shaker Ram Air Hood system on it, which is fully functional.  That is the one with the scoop sticking up through a hole in the hood.  And it shakes.


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 30-September-2015 at 1:56AM
nice! Thumbs Up Big smile


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74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION


Posted By: Eliteman76
Date Posted: 30-September-2015 at 9:39AM
Pretty simple interchange:
1972, the torino, tbird, lincoln all swap.
Caliper brackets rotors will all swap based on my episodes with my car and fitting brake parts and wheels.

Converting a car to run bigger brakes on a 74+ spindle, just go find the caliper brackets off a full size LTD, Mercury or Lincoln.

I used to grab these all the time but in the yards our era cars are long dried up at the the u pull it places...

For the rotor you can source them in the 5x5 bolt pattern rady to go no redrilling required.

In the case of 1972 model year spindles and early build 1973 you can run a lincoln Mark4 12" rotor with 5x5 if you wanted to. Add the full size caliper bracket and boom, done.





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Posted By: Eliteman76
Date Posted: 30-September-2015 at 9:43AM
Gal-
I totally missed the original post here...see below.

and Tomi!!! Good to see your car done man. Been a while, hope all is well.
I still remember the fun of shipping parts to you...

As far as brakes, Fatman Fabrication for Dropped spindles.

Look up "Pure Vision 1972 Torino" for information


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Posted By: H-1 Racer
Date Posted: 01-June-2023 at 4:26PM
I too am looking for the larger caliper brackets to fit the 11.79 discs (or whatever size they are, rockauto lists them as such but I see people calling them 11.72 here, when I measure mine with a tape measure it just looks like 11 3/4 to the eyeball but I assume we’re all talking about the same thing here). 

I bought a set of front spindles from a 74 LTD sight unseen from ctcautoranch, and subsequently bought discs & bearings from rockauto. The discs I got do not fit the brackets on the spindles I received…either they gave me the wrong spindles off the shelf or LTD had two front disc brake options…the latter of which is not reflected by what’s available after market (in other words, the discs I bought are the only option out there for the 74 LTD). So I think I got a set of spindles from a similar full size ford, but equipped with 10.72 disc sized caliper brackets. 

Anyone have any leads on where I can find the correct brackets? Thanks regardless



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