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Topic: Merc Cyclone Now Ford Fairlane
Posted By: foote500
Subject: Merc Cyclone Now Ford Fairlane
Date Posted: 15-April-2013 at 1:21PM
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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500




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Posted By: 75GranMan
Date Posted: 15-April-2013 at 3:12PM

Now that what I'm talking about.tell us more about it.My next project car will be the similar Fairlane.Thumbs Up



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John 75Gran Torino 4spd
Tighten it down until it snaps and then back it off a half turn!


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 15-April-2013 at 3:39PM
It is in Indiana, need to ship it here. Currently has a '73 351 Cleveland in it, but is an original 390 car, seller is sending a 390 that needs to be rebuilt along with the car. 4 speed, no power anything. Has all the original parts with the exception of the part that says "Cyclone" that runs between the rear lights.
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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 16-April-2013 at 2:15AM
That is a great looking car. When they were new, you could get a chrome wheelcover that simulated a chrome wheel. Liked those ok, but the wide white wheels just look killer! Nice stance, and will make a rare jewell.

I just wish my '66 Falcon looked 1/2 this cool.

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Joe
1972 GTSquire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous



Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 16-April-2013 at 3:21AM
I spent a lot of time looking for something like a Galaxie or Fairlane, but when the 7 litre Galaxie showed up here, I couldn't do that anymore, because I could never top it. So then I thought about a Mercury.Pretty low production numbers, so rarity is good. Hot rod, so minimal options. Just a good looking basic hot rod.


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: SininenIII
Date Posted: 17-April-2013 at 1:51AM
That´s a beauty!! And rare indeed. I believe I saw your car in ebay.


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Aatu
73 Gran Torino Sport
http://public.fotki.com/Granaatu/" rel="nofollow - http://public.fotki.com/Granaatu/


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 17-April-2013 at 2:37AM
I think it was advertised just about everywhere. I have been eyeballing this car for months, was a little surprised it was still there when I was able to pull the trigger.

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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 28-June-2013 at 9:11AM
Finally got some rubber that was road worthy and limped her home with little brakes.
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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: Ranchero Fan
Date Posted: 28-June-2013 at 12:11PM
Good Score . Hope to more pics of it as you progess.Thumbs Up

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Brian   1973 Ford Ranchero Big Block. ''THE OTHER WOMAN''


Posted By: antlerfiend
Date Posted: 29-June-2013 at 4:59AM
Looks great. I have a buddy who is rebuilding one now.

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Alex
72 GTS (Morgan's Baby)
68 CJ Drag Car Clone
65 Mustang (first car)
77 LTD II (Drag Car)
78 Mustang II V6 4 speed


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 29-June-2013 at 5:38AM
Nice!

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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 29-June-2013 at 5:39AM
More Mercs!


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: antlerfiend
Date Posted: 29-June-2013 at 5:40AM
We call it the Dalmation.

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Alex
72 GTS (Morgan's Baby)
68 CJ Drag Car Clone
65 Mustang (first car)
77 LTD II (Drag Car)
78 Mustang II V6 4 speed


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 29-June-2013 at 5:41AM
That makes perfect sense.


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: antlerfiend
Date Posted: 29-June-2013 at 5:41AM
That pic was when he first got it. I havent seen it in two years, since disassembly.

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Alex
72 GTS (Morgan's Baby)
68 CJ Drag Car Clone
65 Mustang (first car)
77 LTD II (Drag Car)
78 Mustang II V6 4 speed


Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 29-June-2013 at 6:22AM
very cool!  that's one that's on my automotive must have bucket list.

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Mike


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 24-August-2013 at 11:14AM
Finally found the 4spd shifter plate-made out of Unobtainium.
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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 11-September-2013 at 12:23PM

So the engine that I was looking at online-well, I do not know what happened, but it had a high bid of 202$, now it is re-listed, usually that happens when a seller thinks the item is going to sell for to little-especially since he had a buy it now price of 1100$. This engine was out of a 1963 Mercury Monterry. Supposedly 10.5:1 CR, should be a 300-320 hp engine.

I went to a local junk yard and found a 1968 F 150, I am pretty sure the engine in that is a 390, a 2 bbl, probably 255 hp and 300 some odd flbs tq.

So-my dilemma:

Local engine available-no ship, probably very cheap.

Both engines not the correct year for my car.

Although the 63 engine is a better engine spec wise, would still need to be rebuilt form top down, same with the one in the junk yard, so a wash either way.

The 63 has a 4 bbl intake, the one local does not-but intakes do not cost that much.

Since they both need to be rebuilt, would there be an advantage to the heads on the 63? Or would off the shelf heads complete make the point moot?

Compression ratio is determined by the pistons-since they both need rebuilt, no advantage there either way.

Any thoughts?



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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: n2fordwagons
Date Posted: 11-September-2013 at 3:08PM
Don't forget that you'll need to locate the correct exhaust manifolds and heads, in order to fit in your engine bay.  The normal car and truck 390s have different heads and exhaust manifolds.  From what I remember, they won't fit without modification. 
 
66-67 Fairlanes and Comet/Cyclones are my favorite.  I've had several, including a Red on Red '67 Fairlane 500XL with factory 390.  It had a 302 when I got it.  I got lucky when I bought the 390 for it from a Reman shop.  The guy had a set of the correct heads sitting on his shelf, and wasn't sure what they were for.  The bolt pattern for the exhaust manifolds is different.  He was happy to rebuild them and throw them on my block.
 
One other thing.  Fairlane & Cyclone 390 heads and exhaust manifolds are the same as the Mustang 390.
 
EDIT:  Awesome Cyclone you have there.  Looking forward to seeing its progress.


Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 12-September-2013 at 2:21AM
I have built a bunch of Bumpside ('67-'72) trucks and have found that a lot of supposed FE 390 truck engines are actually 352's. 360's were extremely common then as well for replacement engines. The combinations of FE displacements can range from a 332 to a 428. There are several overlaps that use the same bore and different strokes to acheive the desired displacement. On top of that, certain early 390 engines had the 352 ID on the block for some unknown reason.

If you wanted to look for a better engine that would be stronger, look for an FT version. FE stood for Ford-Edsel, FT stood for Ford Truck. Dimensions are identical, but the FT engines used steel cranks (v/s nodular iron), larger crank snouts, better mix of iron in the block/heads, heavier duty distributors, etc. Since you are rebuilding one anyhow, I would search for the FT block & crank, use the correct Cyclone heads/upper components and have a stronger bottom end.

Just my $0.02

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Joe
1972 GTSquire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous



Posted By: RAPTOR
Date Posted: 12-September-2013 at 2:56AM
Great find !!!

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1972 Torino Sport 4Spd Q 351c
2010 Ford SVT Raptor
2003 H2 Hummer
1977 CB 750 Cafe Racer


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 12-September-2013 at 4:17AM
So what am I looking for? If I go back and look at that engine in the F-150, what are the "tells" to look for?

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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 12-September-2013 at 11:08AM
Originally posted by unlovedford unlovedford wrote:

I have built a bunch of Bumpside ('67-'72) trucks and have found that a lot of supposed FE 390 truck engines are actually 352's. 360's were extremely common then as well for replacement engines. The combinations of FE displacements can range from a 332 to a 428. There are several overlaps that use the same bore and different strokes to acheive the desired displacement. On top of that, certain early 390 engines had the 352 ID on the block for some unknown reason.

If you wanted to look for a better engine that would be stronger, look for an FT version. FE stood for Ford-Edsel, FT stood for Ford Truck. Dimensions are identical, but the FT engines used steel cranks (v/s nodular iron), larger crank snouts, better mix of iron in the block/heads, heavier duty distributors, etc. Since you are rebuilding one anyhow, I would search for the FT block & crank, use the correct Cyclone heads/upper components and have a stronger bottom end.

Just my $0.02
I like the sound of this, will keep that in mind.

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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 14-October-2013 at 3:05PM
I have found a local guy who is parting out a 69 Thunderbird with a 429, would this motor fit in my engine bay?


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: madmaxtorino
Date Posted: 14-October-2013 at 3:44PM
I think it will.

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Allan
Revelation 6:8
When there is no more room in Hell, the dead will walk the Earth.


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 15-October-2013 at 1:09PM
That would be radical!


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 23-December-2013 at 10:18AM
I am stupid, going to look at another wreck tomorrow-1961 Ford Starliner...


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 23-December-2013 at 12:31PM
Originally posted by foote500 foote500 wrote:

I am stupid, going to look at another wreck tomorrow-1961 Ford Starliner...
is that the one with the retractable hard top?


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 23-December-2013 at 3:06PM
Hardtop, looks like this:
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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 23-December-2013 at 4:35PM
not the car is was thinking of, but cool though.


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 16-July-2014 at 6:38AM
No movement on either this car or the GTS, the GTS keeps waiting for the paint booth to come available. But, in the meantime, my dry rotted tires on this were bugging me so I got new tires for it.
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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 16-November-2014 at 8:52AM
Some goodies; more to come such as exhaust manifold, date code correct block .40 over and bell housing.
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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: n2fordwagons
Date Posted: 16-November-2014 at 11:24AM
Sticking with the 390, I see...  Looking good!!

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Jeff

76 Mercury Montego MX Villager w/ 460
79 Ford Thunderbird w/ T-tops


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 16-November-2014 at 11:52AM
Well, I think the 351 works good, I may just collect the parts for the 390 and drive the 351 till it is time to rebuild. Then the 390 is ready to drop in.

Plus, the guy who has all the hard to find parts wants to move to Tenn in about three years, so I have between now and then to buy parts.

Like today I just barely mentioned the exhaust manifolds-which are like hens teeth-so he whips a pair out... He has probably multiples of anything a Ford guy wants.


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: 72 RS 351
Date Posted: 16-November-2014 at 1:34PM
Originally posted by foote500 foote500 wrote:

Well, I think the 351 works good, I may just collect the parts for the 390 and drive the 351 till it is time to rebuild. Then the 390 is ready to drop in.

Plus, the guy who has all the hard to find parts wants to move to Tenn in about three years, so I have between now and then to buy parts.

Like today I just barely mentioned the exhaust manifolds-which are like hens teeth-so he whips a pair out... He has probably multiples of anything a Ford guy wants.


Ask him for some 427 heads, the SOHC heads. Two would be just the ticket, ... and maybe the dual four barrel intake if he has at least one of those. Wink


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Don

73 Ranchero with a 72 Sport front end, parked since 1990
91 Lincoln Mark VII SE, OBDII 347/4R70W
98 Mercury Mountaineer


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 16-November-2014 at 6:33PM
^^^ yeah, X2 on that!


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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 18-December-2014 at 8:45AM
Just got another 4300 D, going on the cyclone until the 390 gets rebuilt. Going to send it to Allstate carb for resto first.
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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: freechero
Date Posted: 18-December-2014 at 3:19PM
I thought the 4300s were squarebore, and the 4350s were spreadbore?  I have a 1970 429 4300 sitting in the shop right now.


Posted By: freechero
Date Posted: 18-December-2014 at 3:24PM
Originally posted by foote500 foote500 wrote:

Originally posted by unlovedford unlovedford wrote:

I have built a bunch of Bumpside ('67-'72) trucks and have found that a lot of supposed FE 390 truck engines are actually 352's. 360's were extremely common then as well for replacement engines. The combinations of FE displacements can range from a 332 to a 428. There are several overlaps that use the same bore and different strokes to acheive the desired displacement. On top of that, certain early 390 engines had the 352 ID on the block for some unknown reason.

If you wanted to look for a better engine that would be stronger, look for an FT version. FE stood for Ford-Edsel, FT stood for Ford Truck. Dimensions are identical, but the FT engines used steel cranks (v/s nodular iron), larger crank snouts, better mix of iron in the block/heads, heavier duty distributors, etc. Since you are rebuilding one anyhow, I would search for the FT block & crank, use the correct Cyclone heads/upper components and have a stronger bottom end.

Just my $0.02
I like the sound of this, will keep that in mind.
 
Keep in mind, you will have to use the FT balancer, due to the larger snout diameter.  Best way I know to tell a 352 from a 390 is the flange on the back of the crank.


Posted By: freechero
Date Posted: 18-December-2014 at 3:29PM
FYI, a Holley elec choke housing is a bolt up, in place of the OE choke.  I ran one for years on my 429 4300.


Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 19-December-2014 at 8:07AM
Originally posted by freechero freechero wrote:

I thought the 4300s were squarebore, and the 4350s were spreadbore?  I have a 1970 429 4300 sitting in the shop right now.
4300 IS SQUARE BORE
4300D IS SPREADBORE


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Mike


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 19-December-2014 at 11:24AM
Sent off today-should have back in a few weeks.


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 17-February-2015 at 6:35AM
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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: ilyes
Date Posted: 17-February-2015 at 1:20PM
They really do a good job Thumbs Up


Posted By: californiajohnny
Date Posted: 17-February-2015 at 3:11PM
nice! all the correct coloring on the parts

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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 CORVETTE COUPE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 10-March-2015 at 2:28PM
I am planning on putting the carb on in the next few days-is there anything I should do to prep it? Or do I just slap it on, dump some fuel in it and keep cranking the motor until it fires?


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: 75GranMan
Date Posted: 10-March-2015 at 2:42PM
If your not sure what you fuel tank condition is, you might want to clean the tank or at least drain the old fuel out. Possibly add an inline filter? you wouldn't want to run crap gas through a newly rebuilt carb.

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John 75Gran Torino 4spd
Tighten it down until it snaps and then back it off a half turn!


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 8:16AM
Have no idea what to do next-going out today to put the new carb on, see some problems. The intake has that funny little area where I imagine it needs to be blocked off, and the choke stove needs to be blocked off as well, can anyone see what I need to do to get this thing bolted up properly?
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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: dave302
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 8:23AM
There should be an extra spacer between the manifold and the carburetor. That hole in the manifold is most likely for for "EGR" (exhaust gas recirculation).


Posted By: dave302
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 8:31AM
It looks like this.


Posted By: dave302
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 8:35AM
This picture is the under side of the spacer.


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 8:56AM
Ok-guess I have to get one for a spreadbore.


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: dave302
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 8:58AM
Yes, that is correct. You will have to find one from a 1972 through 1974 351 cleveland 4V cobra jet engine.


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 8:59AM
That should be fun... :(


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: dave302
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 9:00AM
To see a choke stove for sale http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-4V-CHOKE-STOVE-FOR-INTAKE-MANIFOLD-1970-1971-1972-1973-1974-/161606388272?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item25a07dca30&vxp=mtr" rel="nofollow - Click here.
 
 


Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 9:02AM
I have one of those CJ plates with the EGR attached off a 1974 model somewhere.

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Joe
1972 GTSquire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous



Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 9:05AM
It would be very great and much appreciated if you would find it for me... :)


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 9:16AM
This is the intake it came off. Identical shape carb base.




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Joe
1972 GTSquire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous



Posted By: dave302
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 9:17AM
I have found two spacers for sale, but unfortunately the price for this first one is $184.37 plus shipping. To see it http://www2.cougarpartscatalog.com/d3ze-9a589-ab.html" rel="nofollow - Click here.
 
 
This next seller is asking $250.00 plus $15.00 shipping for this next spacer. To see it http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Ford-Torino-Mustang-351c-351CJ-4V-D3ZE-9D475-B1C-EGR-Valve-Plate-Gasket-/251875851132?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3aa4f87b7c&vxp=mtr" rel="nofollow - Click here.


Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 9:18AM
I'll hunt it up this week. I may even have the choke stove. I'm parting out the engine and every little bit helps. Probably regret doing that someday, LOL.

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Joe
1972 GTSquire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous



Posted By: dave302
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 9:23AM
You will also need gaskets for:
1). The intake manifold to the egr spacer plate.
2). The egr spacer plate to the carburetor (It appears that you have this one already in your picture). 
3). The intake manifold to the choke stove, and the choke stove mounting bolts.


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 9:37AM
I have the choke stove-I just removed trying to figure things out.


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: dave302
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 9:50AM
To see an intake manifold to egr spacer plate gasket for sale http://www.autozone.com/fuel-delivery/carburetor-mounting-base-gasket/felpro-carburetor-mounting-base-gasket/ford/gran-torino/1973/8-cylinders-q-5-8l-4bl-ohv-cj-hp/343982_0_6635/" rel="nofollow - - Click here.


Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 11:53AM
incorrect spacer for the cleveland.  Looks like you have a 73 intake on your 72.  good, original spacers are very hard ot find.  NPD reproduces the egr spacer. 
http://www.npdlink.com/store/products/spacer_carburetor_to_intake_manifold_egr-107448-1.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.npdlink.com/store/products/spacer_carburetor_to_intake_manifold_egr-107448-1.html

honestly, you need ot put the correct intake on.  for the choke tubes, even with electric choke thermostat, it helps to run the hot air tubes.  ford did in 73 & 74. if not, just install the hoke stove and leave the tubes out. to block the egr hole in that passageway, they do make a freeze plug that is small enough to work.  did it on my 74 351CJ. The base gasket you will need for the spacer is 
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/FEL0/60179/01056.oap?year=1973&make=Ford&model=Torino&vi=5158268&ck=Search_01056_5158268_-1&pt=01056&ppt=C0359" rel="nofollow - http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/FEL0/60179/01056.oap?year=1973&make=Ford&model=Torino&vi=5158268&ck=Search_01056_5158268_-1&pt=01056&ppt=C0359




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Mike


Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 11:55AM
i have never seen a choke stove gasket on a cleveland.  never had any leaks without one.

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Mike


Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 11:57AM
Originally posted by unlovedford unlovedford wrote:

This is the intake it came off. Identical shape carb base.



same intake, 73 & 74.  72 did NOT have EGR.


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Mike


Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 12:04PM



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Mike


Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 12:12PM
If you look at the bottom picture, around the edge where the egr passage is, you can see its starting to corrode.  This is why you will have a hard time finding a good used one.  this is just starting ot corrode and came off of a low mileage engine.  most times, the lower edge, out outer edge, will be almost paper thin and create vacuum leaks. This one is acutally a GOOD one.  The one that came off the cougar was wasted and that car only had 50 some thousand miles on it when it was found ot be the problem and removed.  An aluminum non-egr intake was installed along with a holley.

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Mike


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 17-March-2015 at 9:36PM
This is not for my 72 GTS, this is for the 73 Cleveland that is currently residing in my 66 Cyclone. I am just trying to get it to run so I can move it or possibly sell it.


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 18-March-2015 at 2:28AM
Marc, mine is not in very good shape. Mike was correct on the mileage thing, as this one had only 80K miles on the engine. I cannot figure out what corrodes these so badly, as there is no visible sign of an issue on the intake. I'm sure they can be built up and ground down, or JB Weld if it is not a vacuum section or leads to the induction area. Sorry buddy.







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Joe
1972 GTSquire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous



Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 18-March-2015 at 3:01AM
I guess I will have to go with an aftermarket spacer. OR... I could just block it off.


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: Regul8r
Date Posted: 18-March-2015 at 4:14AM
the spacer was not hardened to handle the abuse of the exhaust gas. so the exhaust gas burns it up.
I will keep my eye out for these now, knowing they are needed.
 


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Carl Corey (Moderator/Event Coordinator) Contact ANYTIME!
1976 Ford Elite "Lola Mae"
97 Suzuki Intruder 1400
US Army Retired


Posted By: unlovedford
Date Posted: 18-March-2015 at 4:52AM
Curiously, the port in my intake below the affected area of corrosion on the spacer has a threaded plug in it. What use is that area when it is plugged and what could possibly get to it? Whatever it was, it ate right through it.

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Joe
1972 GTSquire Wagon
1972 Torino Wagon
1976 Torino       
1968 Cougar XR7-First batch
1972 Torino 460
1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous



Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 18-March-2015 at 6:34AM
SOMEONE PLUGGED IT OFF.  I tapped a freeze plug ino mine and then tapped the upper portion of the hole and ran a allen headed pipe plug into the hole.  double security!

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Mike


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 18-March-2015 at 8:03AM
I have consulted with my brother-who as we all know knows everything... That's a joke, you guys don't know my brother, but anyway...

I bandied about the two options, one being buying the one from Joe, welding it and then Bridgeporting it-easily done. But probably not worth the trouble unless a person is anal about it.

Second-less costly and possibly easier, it do the plug bit, then put the solid spacer on and just be done with it.

Weird-I thought I saw a billet one-must have been hallucinating...




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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 18-March-2015 at 9:38PM
Originally posted by unlovedford unlovedford wrote:

Marc, mine is not in very good shape. Mike was correct on the mileage thing, as this one had only 80K miles on the engine. I cannot figure out what corrodes these so badly, as there is no visible sign of an issue on the intake. I'm sure they can be built up and ground down, or JB Weld if it is not a vacuum section or leads to the induction area. Sorry buddy.







PM sent.


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 19-March-2015 at 5:19AM
I posted the link for the billet spacer.  NPD stocks it.

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Mike


Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 19-March-2015 at 5:20AM
Originally posted by mcford mcford wrote:

incorrect spacer for the cleveland.  Looks like you have a 73 intake on your 72.  good, original spacers are very hard ot find.  NPD reproduces the egr spacer. 
http://www.npdlink.com/store/products/spacer_carburetor_to_intake_manifold_egr-107448-1.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.npdlink.com/store/products/spacer_carburetor_to_intake_manifold_egr-107448-1.html

honestly, you need ot put the correct intake on.  for the choke tubes, even with electric choke thermostat, it helps to run the hot air tubes.  ford did in 73 & 74. if not, just install the hoke stove and leave the tubes out. to block the egr hole in that passageway, they do make a freeze plug that is small enough to work.  did it on my 74 351CJ. The base gasket you will need for the spacer is 
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/FEL0/60179/01056.oap?year=1973&make=Ford&model=Torino&vi=5158268&ck=Search_01056_5158268_-1&pt=01056&ppt=C0359" rel="nofollow - http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/FEL0/60179/01056.oap?year=1973&make=Ford&model=Torino&vi=5158268&ck=Search_01056_5158268_-1&pt=01056&ppt=C0359




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Mike


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 19-March-2015 at 6:21AM
I thought that was it, I was thrown off by it being unavailable...


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 20-March-2015 at 5:20AM
Its a nice piece, bought one for a 73 GTS with 351CJ that i had back in 06, i think

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Mike


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 23-March-2015 at 1:33AM
Got the part. Should be here on Wed.


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 23-March-2015 at 2:14AM
Thumbs Up

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Mike


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 31-March-2015 at 3:54AM
Originally posted by dave302 dave302 wrote:

To see an intake manifold to egr spacer plate gasket for sale http://www.autozone.com/fuel-delivery/carburetor-mounting-base-gasket/felpro-carburetor-mounting-base-gasket/ford/gran-torino/1973/8-cylinders-q-5-8l-4bl-ohv-cj-hp/343982_0_6635/" rel="nofollow - - Click here.


I got the spacer plate today-but the choke stove gasket pictured is the wrong one-I need the one with a curve on it...More delays.


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 31-March-2015 at 5:25AM
I have never, ever used a gasket for the chock stove. No problems with leaks either.

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Mike


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 31-March-2015 at 5:38AM
I fashioned one out of an old gasket-looks like the only thing I am missing right now is the connector from the pipe on the choke stove to the choke.


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 31-March-2015 at 6:42AM
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http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/foote500/media/DSCF6485_zpsoqbxzrr3.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">

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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: RAPTOR
Date Posted: 01-April-2015 at 9:39AM
Looks like you had the choke converted to electric  i did the same with my carb , Why would you want to hook the stove pipe up to choke ? You dont need that to heat the choke up anymore . Thats the reason why i changed to the converted to the electric style choke the stove pipe style had issues . That was the main reason those carbs had problems . You dont use the stove pipe anymore when you convert to electric choke . I took mine off and plugged the hole on intake . Just  make sure you run a good 12v hot lead to the choke when your you key is on and you are good to go . 
 




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1972 Torino Sport 4Spd Q 351c
2010 Ford SVT Raptor
2003 H2 Hummer
1977 CB 750 Cafe Racer


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 01-April-2015 at 11:23AM
Well, then that is good to know. I will just dead end that bit.


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 01-April-2015 at 12:40PM
I do need to find a hot wire for that choke. Because something great happened today-I hooked up the battery and tried to start it-click...nothing, so I jumped the solenoid (it is brand new-but I seem to remember from my early Mustang days that those can go bad quickly, so I will have to get another one) and just like a brand new car it fired up on the first crank-runs like always wanted the proper carb on it-did not need to adjust a thing.

So once I get a new solenoid and a hot wire ( the choke would not open up after it warmed up)it should be mobile once again and I can let is idle until all the two year old gas burns away...


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: RAPTOR
Date Posted: 01-April-2015 at 1:21PM
Well if they gave you a bad choke I would call them they charge you good money to rebuild it with a new electric choke so I would be on the phone calling them if it's not opening up . But like I said you have to have a 12v wire make sure it's getting 12 v threw the wire to the choke . Put a volt meter on the wire you would be using to make sure 12v are coming to the choke

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1972 Torino Sport 4Spd Q 351c
2010 Ford SVT Raptor
2003 H2 Hummer
1977 CB 750 Cafe Racer


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 01-April-2015 at 1:22PM
So the choke should have opened up regardless of the wire to power it?


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: RAPTOR
Date Posted: 01-April-2015 at 1:26PM
That electrics choke is not really set up to be using the stove pipe anymore .. Why did you get the electric setup if you wanted to use the old stove pipe

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1972 Torino Sport 4Spd Q 351c
2010 Ford SVT Raptor
2003 H2 Hummer
1977 CB 750 Cafe Racer


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 01-April-2015 at 1:38PM
I did not ask for-was just trying to get it as stock as possible-maybe the re-builder just went with what he thought was best-or maybe the old choke was electric and without any input from me he just replaced old with new. I could just disconnect the choke...


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: Ranchero Fan
Date Posted: 02-April-2015 at 4:25AM
Factory elec. asst. choke is powered by the BLK./WHT. striped STATOR wire from the alternator.

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Brian   1973 Ford Ranchero Big Block. ''THE OTHER WOMAN''


Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 02-April-2015 at 5:43AM
Run it to the small post on the starter solenoid, the one closest to the firewall.



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Mike


Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 02-April-2015 at 5:45AM
Originally posted by RAPTOR RAPTOR wrote:

That electrics choke is not really set up to be using the stove pipe anymore .. Why did you get the electric setup if you wanted to use the old stove pipe

actually they came factory that way in 73 & 74.  Electric choke AND the stove pipe.


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Mike


Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 02-April-2015 at 5:45AM
i believe i have a fitting, i can dig tonight if you want one.

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Mike


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 02-April-2015 at 7:21AM
Sure!

Also, I looked at the pics of the carb before I sent it out and that fitting was on there-but it did not come back.


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500



Posted By: mcford
Date Posted: 02-April-2015 at 12:55PM
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Mike


Posted By: foote500
Date Posted: 02-April-2015 at 1:42PM
Originally posted by mcford mcford wrote:

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Thats the part! How much?


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Marc
German Shepherd Rescue
1972 GTS "The Gray Ghost"
1967 Ford Fairlane 500




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