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It probably adds about 40lbs and I think I cut about 10 inches off the d.s....Just amazing I didn't have to cut the tunnel and the shifter fits in the console.
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50 degrees in n.y. today and had the day off....Ive been envious of everyone with that quick ratio steering box for years now. I guess this is going to snowball into a complete steering rebuild,new front springs...etc
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Is the lares 841 the correct replacement for this oil leaking,greasy,sloppy s.o.b.?
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I have the 841 on 3 of my cars. For the most benefit, use a later model pump and '78 Cougar lines with a cooler. It is amazing what a difference it makes. I also installed new heaver duty springs and shocks. The gold '72 can really handle the curves, no squat and no dive under braking.
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I'm probably going with the moog 80090 springs. My head is still spinning from the coil spring thread. Sucks we lost a lot of pics on that thread
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Hey Rick, I have been working on making a shorter simple to read spring post.  Give me time, I will get it up with some pics.  Moog 80090 springs are the way to go in these cars.  You'll have to trim them a bit to get the stance right. 
 
Have you considered a Saginaw steering box too?  I know the 841 is a good upgrade, but you can go even faster with a Saginaw.  Mine is a 12.7:1 ratio box with a large "T Bar" for max road feel.  It's very tight and quick steering.  The Saginaw swap is pretty straight forward.  It just requires minor mods.


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I just went thru your thread about the Saginaw box from 2012. It's something I will consider. Did some 72 torinos come with that box? Did you use the same p.s. pump? The hi pressure hose to the pump fit ok?

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I thought I was just replacing a steering box,so much for that. The ball joints actually look good. I guess I'd be stupid no to replace them. After reading the coil spring thread I chose to use the Chilton dangerous way to remove the springs. It actually worked fine. I was a bit nervous tho. I still had to pry it out a bit.
 


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1 of the 74's i parted had a saginaw box on it.

since you got that apart, now would be a good time to put in some new poly bushings too Wink
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Good idea. I can't seem to find the thread on that. If I recall I think you drilled them out then heat them and knocked them out. Is there a tool for that?
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Originally posted by 72GTS351CJ 72GTS351CJ wrote:

I just went thru your thread about the Saginaw box from 2012. It's something I will consider. Did some 72 torinos come with that box? Did you use the same p.s. pump? The hi pressure hose to the pump fit ok?
 
I don't believe any '72s had Saginaw boxes, from '73 onwards they were available though.  It seems Ford used them interchangeably, much like how an H-code got you a 351C or 351W.  Most cars seemed to get the Ford boxes.  So if you are looking for it to appear correct, stick with the Lares.
 
The Saginaw will give you much more options to custom spec the box.  The 12.7:1 box is quicker than the Lares 841.  You can also tune it for road feel, from zero (like a stock box) to very little assist.  When my box was built they initially made low effort close to stock.  With the quick ratio it made it feel twitchy.  I then sent it back to have them install a high effort T-bar.  Now it's awesome, very tight, no twitchiness and makes the car feel much more agile. 
 
As for the conversion, all you need is a new coupler and a stock power steering high pressure hose from a Saginaw equipped Torino (any parts store can get one).   You do have to make some minor teaks to make the Saginaw coupler work with the lower steering shaft, but other than that it's a bolt in affair.  The stock pump works fine.
 
I been there done that on the front end.  I replaced everything while I had it apart.  If you do use the Moog CVPI springs, make sure you get some good shocks to go with them. 


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leave the shells in the arm... heat around the outside of the shell with a torch until it starts smoking a lot sometimes you hear a pop just push the whole rubber out with a piece of pipe or broom handle, it should slide right out Wink then after it cools clean all the old rubber residue out of the inside of the shell, once all the big goops of rubber are gone 80 grit emery cloth to sand the metal clean.
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Thanks for the info guys. I appreciate it. It's nice to be able to think about your next move before actually doing it. Such a time saver
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you need part #'s for the poly???
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Putting together a parts list now.. Energy Suspension 43111G...does that sound correct
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yes! that's those for the frontWink
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do the upper poly's need to be shortened for the 72 & early 73?
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Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

do the upper poly's need to be shortened for the 72 & early 73?
 
It's early '72s that have the smaller bushings.  It was mid March they switched to the newer style used until 1979.  The previous smaller ones were the same size used on the older Galaxies.
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Got the moog 80090's today. Vince.I love how your car looks. I'm cutting a half coil off and hoping for the best

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