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    Posted: 25-April-2012 at 9:38AM
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the bidding will end up going too high for what it would be worth to me
it's already at $2000 and that is all I would give for it the way it is.
I bought my 72 GTS with a running 429 for $1800 so why would I buy it for that price,I would build a clone first, the PS122's aren't worth that much when finished anyway
 and cheaper to buy a decent 74-76 Gran Torino and build a S&H replica 


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      I agree its getting too high but it's suppose to be an original L.E. With the amount it would take to get it back into shape,I think it will take a real S&H fanatic to get this car. I think it will take over 5,000 to get it.
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For $5,000 I could easily convert my '76 to a nice L.E. clone - much nicer starting point. Believe me, I have really thought about it.
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Replicas will never be worth the LE prices no matter what.Anyone can build a replica but there will never be anymore originals built.That is like saying a fastback Mustang is as good as a Mach 1 not!!!!!!
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Hey Guys,
I have built 29 Starsky & Hutch Gran Torinos. Two of which were L.E.s. I have to say, my replicas go for the same price as my L.E.s. They all sell very well. The reason I like the stock gran torinos more than L.E.s is most L.E.s seem to be rode hard and put away wet because they have that iconic paint job on them and guys think they are hot rods. I really love the stock gran torinos because so many are in great shape and original. 

I like them all, they are all collectable.
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Originally posted by Scott Scott wrote:

Replicas will never be worth the LE prices no matter what.Anyone can build a replica but there will never be anymore originals built.That is like saying a fastback Mustang is as good as a Mach 1 not!!!!!!
 
That is true, but I also have a different way of looking at that:
 
  A true 76' LE will always have a higher value over a non-LE tribute car, but only to those who are concerned about it's monetary value.
 
  I have a 76' LE, bought it in 79' with 50K on it for $1800. Still has it's original paint, but it's looking like a 35+ year old car does, even taken care of.
  The car is a dog: 460 boat-anchor engine. No guts, drinks the gas. It handles great...as long as you don't want to turn or stop!
  Don't get me wrong, I love the car, but it was not a very "complete" effort on Ford's part. This was just a last-ditch effort to grab a few extra Torino sales before that nameplate went out of production.
  At the very least tbey could have made these few additional changes, and I think it would have made the whole package infinitelt better and much more desirable:
  • Put a dual exhaust on it from the factory. They already had those engineered for the police versions in both the 351 and 460 versions.
  • They should have all came with 4-barrells only (not sure if they had a 4-barrell version of the 351 in 76...surely they could not have done the emission certification for this low production run) So this point is iffy, I guess.
  • The stripe should have been more accurate and should have had the black border.  
  • The suspension most definitely should have been beefed up a little...even using thier optional "heavy duty" or towing set-up would have been better than the flaccid, spaghetti-like suspension that came on mine.
  • And each car should have had some specific "Starsky & Hutch" documentation that came with it: maybe a small window decal, or even a little color booklet. This sure would have ratcheted up the collector value. The "PS 122" and "STARSKY AND HUCTCH" unit written on the build-sheet is just not "cool" enough to show at car shows
 
  To keep whatever value this original car has, I have resisted all attempts to "improve it" over the years. However, I always wanted to make it into the car it pretends to be, so...
 
I am now in the midst of building a "S&H" Torino out of a 75 Gran Torino "Sport" and a 74 Gran Torino (base). The body of the 75 was too far gone, but all the trim and stuff is perfect. The 74 is just a stripped no-option hardtop, although I found out just recently it has the nodular "big" 9"rear end. (maybe had a towing pkg?). That body is near 100% rust free, but the rest is shot.
So, combining the two gives a great car. 
 
I have rebulit the entire suspension with PST poly-graphite, had HUGE custom-made sway bars made for it. Had custom-made springs front and rear (Eaton-Detroit Springs). All of this was installed on the 75 before I began the tear-down and it handled great! I couldn't belive the difference. All of those components have since been put on the new body.
 
Had a nice 450-horse 460 built for it, likewise a stout C-6. The 9-incher is being bulit into a 3.55 track-lock.
 
I think I will have a total of about $15,000 in this car when done
 
To restore the 76 LE to the same like-new (but stock) condition would cost about $10,000.
 
And then, what would each be "worth"?
 
I think all other things being equal, most would value the bulit-up clone over the original.
 
Of course, my wife always tells me "who cares what it is worth..you're never going to sell them anyway!" (I got a lot of cars)
 
I am the origianl owner of a 71 429 Mach 1. I have resisted "improving " that car too. It is restored and near all-original.
I have seen these sell for over $100,000. I am confident I could get $50,000 for mine pretty easily.
 
However, anyone could go and buy a decent 71-72 Mustang fastback "donor" car and easily recreate a visually perfect clone of a 71 429 Mach 1 for far less than $50,000, and with a much better and improved drivetrain. 
Only the numbers would'nt match, but that doesn't make a bit of difference how you can enjoy the car.
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Kit, I agree completely with what you wrote. I spent years resisting the urge to modify a classic because of pricing, but finally decided to bite the bullet and stray away from originality on a '68 Mustang convertible. Started out as an early 289/automatic car with the usual options. I installed a late model 5.0 EFI roller engine/AOD/4 wheel disc setup. Installed poly bushings, aftermarket suspension, subtle additions to the exterior and interior and a set of 17 inch wheels. The result? A COMPLETELY different car that could be tossed into a corner, accelerated like it was on fire, vastly better driveability and mileage, and way more enjoyable to drive...and it was still a '68 Stang. When the time came to move on to another project, I asked for (and received) more than it would have brought stock and honestly, more than it was worth. The reasoning was logical - the hard work was already done, it drove like a modern muscle car, and still appeared like a classic. All the positives with none of the negatives, and the blueprint for my present and future projects.

I won't try to deceive anyone by building a clone and promoting it as an original - that is wrong. However, on a Torino or similar type vehicle, the improved appearance and enjoyment combined with an original look should not affect the value in a negative way (if done well).

Just my personal experiences...
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I guess I have mixed emotions on the subject - I been fortunate in my car purchases - I owned an original PS122 and to be honest I think its what and how you invest into a clone. I currently own a 1975 GTS and there is only minor - monor differences on the  two models - the only thing my 75 Base model is missing is the PS122 ID - beyond that there is absolutely no way you can tell the two apart.
But as I aforementioned I took no short cuts and creating a clown - Not too mention I am the second original owner of my GTS - with a 11K on the original balanced and blue printed motor and 62K on the original body and sheet metal - I highley doubt I can find a PS122 in this type of shape and miles.
Owning an original is nice but the long and short of it is - all I am paying extra for is a PS122 Name Plate...
 
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I agree. Torinos are a unique breed in that the '72-'76 models are never going to bring huge money, hence the originality does not come into play as much.

I have an "S" code '68 Cougar XR7/GT. Car is a 390/4 speed car that, when restored back original, might (just might) bring $15K. But, I am installing a Cobra-donated supercharged 4.6 with a 6 speed, revamping everything underneath with R&P steering, etc, late model interior, 17 or 18 inch wheels and a host of body mods (kept subdued and tasteful). The result will be a car that is way more fun to drive and will bring better money - for about the same money invested as a mild restoration (great luck and buying smart). More folks want to own a Charcoal Mist Cougar with a black interior and those modern go-fast goodies, than a Gold car with a black top and parchment interior as it came (stiff-shifting Toploader, cranky 4Bbl, ill-handling stock suspension aside). To top it off, it will whip the stock drivetrain on the 390's best day.
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  I guess what I'm saying is that even though I have never modded my 76 LE because I want to keep it original, I don't think modding an origainal 76 LE will hurt its value amongst serious collectors because the car as delivered from Ford was pretty lame anyway...
  Compared to collectors of other valuable muscle-era cars, the Starsky & Hutch LE is not viewed with a lot of respect.
  Simply because it is far too obvious that Ford was looking for a cheap way to cash in on a vat of red paint, and to make a few bucks of an old nag already on her way to the glue factory.
  There was clearly no love within Ford for the Torino after 73, and TV's "Starsky" pulled the image of the Torino as a stodgy old man's car out of the crapper for one last accidental shot of glory.
  That TV show was all smoke and mirrors, but we all fell for it!
  Who among us at the time didn't think the end-of-the-run Torino was a great car back then, mostly because of S&H?
  It worked so good on me that even though my daily driver at the time was a 71 429 CobraJet Mach 1, I still thought the Torino was a cool muscle car, and I went and found a nice used one in '79!
  Of course, after the coolnes of tooling around in a S&H car wore off, I had to admit it wasn't much of a muscle car, especially compared to my Mustang (which I still own by the way...42 years now!)
 
I learned a few necessary habits driving that 76 LE backl then:
  • Challenge NO ONE to a race...you will lose.
  • When someone challenges you to a race, just act like you are too cool to get involved in any silly street race, smile and drive off...and hope you can't hear the laughter.
  • Don't try to take any corners faster than you would in a typical station wagon of the day...that car is not friends with corners.
  • Keep a lot of distance between you and the car in front...terrible stopping distance in a panic.

Remember, that is for a totally bone-stock 76 LE, wheezing 460, single exhaust pig that it was (and still is!)

That is why I am so excited about the "clone" I am building. Finally, a "Starsky & Hutch" car that will live up to it's looks in all respects!
It will be fast! It will handle! It will stop! (maybe) and I will not feel stupid riding around in a car that is "all show and no go".
 
Of course, my wife says I may not feel stupid, but I will certainly look stupid riding around in a S&H car! (she doesn't feel the love for S&H like we do)
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Kit,

Very true words that sum it all up. Every girl I've dated (including my ex-wife) hated my '76 (except C). Thought it was the worst looking car ever. In reality, '74-76's are not an attractive car in stock garb. Large bumpers (afterthought), poor brakes, heavy, anemic performance, 14 inch wheels, and weak suspensions are not a receipe for a muscle car. Yes, S&H did revive interest and fool a lot of folks into buying them, but Ford did give up after '73. However, like an unwanted, ugly dog, I have grown to find beauty in these cars.

Thank goodness you kept that Mach 1.
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I'm enjoying this thread.  I'm fortunate enough to have one of the original LE cars. (Purchased new by a friend of my dad and in very original condition).

I've grappled with the originality question but since this is not a car that I'll sell anytime soon (too much sentimental value), I've decided to make changes that please me.  All of these modifications will be reversible and I'll certainly retain all of the original parts but I too, feel that the LE package didn't go far enough.

I guess I favor what you would call period-correct or 'day two' mods, so most of the visible underhood changes will be parts that were available in the mid to late-70s.  For instance an Edelbrock intake, Holley 600 cfm carb, Hooker headers and the like have already been procured and await installation.  I'll also be adding a dual exhaust and some brake and suspension upgrades.

In any event, I hope the car that was the subject of this post found a good home and perhaps the new owner will join us on this board.
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If you are trying to stay true to what Ford produced, then you are forever handcuffed to the stock not-quite-there-as-delivered LE. However, since Ford's LE was in fact somewhat of a "clone" of, and inspired by the fictional car on TV, then I guess you can say that a "correct" S&H car will definitely have some aftermarket go-faster parts. The car as portrayed on TV was not stock, as per Starsky's " chrome rocker covers, chrome valve covers, the 4/5s out back...it's a very special car". Whoever wrote that dialog knows about as much about cars as I do about submarines...which is nothing!
And since it was never directly specified exactly what the (fictional) modifications that Starsky supposedly made to the car, then we just have to infer what it was as best we can.
It must have been some good mods though...how else could he have kept up with and outrun all those wheezing 6-cylinder Mavericks, anemic Pintos, barge-like limosuines and all those other gas-pig Fords that the Bay City bad guys limed to drive.

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Torinos. Build them to enjoy them, because if a person buys a '74-'76 just to attempt to make a quick buck:

A) That person is in the wrong business
B) That person does not understand the whole "Torino Thing"
C) That person had better be a quick study, LOL
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Yep, a whole little cottage industry of "Zebra 3"- type custom-built Torinos came into existence after the 2004 S&H movie revived interest in the "Striped Tomato".
I think most of them are gone now, and I don't forsee the S&H Torinos maintaining the high value they had for a few years there. Thats OK with me though, as I don't intend to sell the car anyway.
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Originally posted by unlovedford unlovedford wrote:

Torinos. Build them to enjoy them, because if a person buys a '74-'76 just to attempt to make a quick buck:

A) That person is in the wrong business
B) That person does not understand the whole "Torino Thing"
C) That person had better be a quick study, LOL
 
Agreed!
Not a quick buck flip car.
Only way for a quick buck is pick them up almost free and invest some time, elbow grease, parts store update parts and TLC to flip them to the local dude who just wants something that looks badass!
We know he'll get his ass whooped at every light by most newer imports though! lol
 
 
Also on the S&H stuff...
Unless it is a TRUE PS122 then have fun and do what you want!
There were so many variations used on the TV Show and alot of DEALER MADE tribute cars that it is not going to matter what car, engine, tranny, interior, or suspension you have or even what upgrades you use.
 
IMHO, the S&H cars are more about the Striped Tomato paint, Slot mags putting it on any 74-76 Torino. Have FUN with it and enjoy it. A nicely done tribute is a NICE TORINO any way you look at it.
 
We've even seen COOL S&H cars that were different colors!
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I read the backup car number 3 ( 76 season ) was a 351 they blew up and dropped a 429 in, So in a way a H code converted to a 429 does follow the actual series car. Just my thought...
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That "back up car" story is unsubstantiated. There is no evidence that there was a third 76 car used on the show.
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