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Topic: Steering BoxPosted: 05-April-2010 at 1:31PM |
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Just took the old Torino on a 500 mile trip. Ran great, and got lots of looks and thumbs up.
My biggest complaint is the stock steering box (which I have never liked on this car). The power steering is over boosted and is way to slow. I am planning on redoing the suspension and steering on the car this year (it was supposed to be last year until the house ate all my money). This year I have the cash set aside, and I am doing it come hell or high water. Plans inclued all new steering linkage, new coils all around (much higher rate), Bilstien shocks, Addco sway bars, all new suspension bushings (not sure if I am going to go poly or not), sandblast and paint all suspension parts, and possible Metco LCA's. Is there a Ford steering box that will bolt in place of the stock unit, but with a more performance oriented feel? Perhaps something from a 71-73 Mustang? Anyone upgrade the steering box on their car? |
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Posted: 05-April-2010 at 3:35PM |
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Not sure on the steering box but I am going to be doing a Rack&Pinion on mine when I rebuild it.
We'll see what happens!
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Posted: 05-April-2010 at 4:08PM |
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There is supposed to be a close ratio Mustang box that works well on our car but I can't remember the details. Hopefully someone else has more details.
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Posted: 05-April-2010 at 4:52PM |
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SPA-T 71-73 Mustang with the comp. package. It's a Saginaw box, but bolts in. 3 turns lock to lock vs 4 turn. It changes the car, like night and day. I did all the mods you listed, Bilsteins, poly, Metco, etc.
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Posted: 06-April-2010 at 1:06PM |
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Thanks for the info. Do you know where I can get the box?
How did the mods improve your car? What springs did you use? |
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Posted: 06-April-2010 at 2:43PM |
Who has R&P kits? I've looked everywhere for info......nothing!
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Posted: 06-April-2010 at 2:54PM |
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This place has the gear boxes........
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Posted: 06-April-2010 at 3:48PM |
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I am fabbing up my own rear steer brackets for a R&P.
Looks like it will fit right in place where the center link goes and will be level when at ride height too!!
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Posted: 07-April-2010 at 12:42PM |
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On my ex police torino came with the ford box. After I had felt the difference with the saginaw box in my old LTD wagon I put one in the torino. Some LTD II's and 77 to 79 cougars may have these boxes and yes in 71 to 73 mustangs and I've seen them in T-birds. To bad Auto parts Colmar got rid of the LTD II that had saginaw box.
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Posted: 07-April-2010 at 3:28PM |
Thanks for the info. From the website, it looks like Ford offered the saginaw box on the Torino from the factory in 1973? Is this correct? Has anyone dealt with the about company? They don't seem to keen on international shipments (which mine would be to Canada). Any other companies sell steering boxes? Thanks |
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Posted: 07-April-2010 at 3:41PM |
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Saginaw boxes bolt into the frame using the same holes as the Ford. You'll need Saginaw specific hoses, thats all.
Lares corp sells rebuilt boxes. They rebuild them themselves. |
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Posted: 07-April-2010 at 3:43PM |
My springs are just the stock small block springs with a big block on it. The 17" wheels and tires help a great deal. I will say I have two of these cars and one difference is the steering box. I HATE the 4:1 car... I feel like I'm steering a battleship.
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Posted: 07-April-2010 at 6:22PM |
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My 74 Torino (Base Model) came with the Saginaw Box and Ford PS Pump stock. The one down side to it is the preasure hose is hard to find if you need it in a hurry. Most auto parts stores can get them, but I haven't found one yet that carried them in stock.
I ended up buying the parts and making my own.
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1974 PRO STREET TORINO. Everything has been changed. 466 Ford/C6 - 3000 Stall/Narrowed 9 Inch - 4.11 Gears.
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Posted: 08-April-2010 at 4:36AM |
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Has anyone dealt with the about company? They don't seem to keen on international shipments (which mine would be to Canada). Any other companies sell steering boxes?
[/QUOTE] If your looking for a good company to buy a Ford Quick-Ratio Steering box from in Canada, I recommend these guys. http://www.cancraft.com/contact.htm
I bought my QR Box from them and then later traded it for a Standard Steering box to free up some horespower and build arm muscles.
Here's a pic of my Standard Steering Box from Cancraft.
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Posted: 08-April-2010 at 6:16AM |
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Thanks for the info guys on the suppliers. I called Lares and I can get the fast ratio box (which they list as 10:1) for $275 US, but they told me I'd have to eat the $75 core charge as the ford box isn't an acceptable core exchange. Is it just me, or does the 10:1 seem crazy fast? They guy told me that it's okay for the street.
PSquare, what was involved in retrofitting the p/s hoses? Can I still get them from a parts store, if so what year, make, model did you order? DId you have to make any changes to the P/S pump? GranTorinoMan, was your fast ratio box from them a Saginaw or a Ford box? I'm also waiting to hear back from Cancraft, I asked if they have the Saginaw SPA-T box. I want to keep the P/S on my car, but I am sure the manual box must still feel better than the stock Ford box. Edited by 72FordGTS - 08-April-2010 at 6:18AM |
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Posted: 08-April-2010 at 7:10AM |
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Hello All. I would like to comment on this topic as there are a couple ways to do this upgrade.
The cheapest way to go if you have a Ford Saginaw box from, or for, a 71-73 Mustang, or a 72 up Torino (any Ford Intermediate), is to purchase the internal components for a 73 up WS6 Trans Am or Z28 at your local GM parts counter and rebiuld your box with these components to get a quick ratio box.
I am in the process of using a Saginaw 12.7:1 box that I bought from Lee Manufacturing in my 73 Montego GT project. This unit was about $400.00 shipped with no core charge. I went this route because I could not find a Ford box to convert myself.
The info for them is: http://lee-powersteering.com/ Make sure you tell them that you are working on a "Rear Steer" car. I even referenced Camaro and Trans Am when talking to them. They new what I wanted right away.
As stated previously, you will need a different power steering hose, and in my case, I needed to change the rag joint couple at the bottom of my steering column too.
Although the the box is a bolt-on proposition to the frame, working through the hose and rag joint issues can be a pain. Once complete though, you will think you are driving a completely different car. It is a huge improvement in steering response and road feel.
Mike H.
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Posted: 08-April-2010 at 9:57AM |
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Posted: 08-April-2010 at 10:08AM |
Mike, What if I bought a used Saginaw box cheap, could I go to say, a local Chevy/Pontiac dealership's parts dept. and get the internals for the '73-up TA/Z28? They still sell this?
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Posted: 08-April-2010 at 3:31PM |
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[QUOTE
was your fast ratio box from them a Saginaw or a Ford box? I'm also waiting to hear back from Cancraft, I asked if they have the Saginaw SPA-T box. I want to keep the P/S on my car, but I am sure the manual box must still feel better than the stock Ford box.[/QUOTE] I believe Cancraft told me it was a QR Saginaw but I'm not 100% sure. Either way it was cool only turning the steering wheel a little less than 1/2 a turn to make a complete right or left.
No more oil on my driveway from leaking power steering hose connection, no more horsepower loss from the pump and a substantial weight loss now that I have the standard steering box installed
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Posted: 08-April-2010 at 4:00PM |
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For hoses I just went on Rockauto and searched 72-79 Torino/Mid sized cars and ordered hoses for my engine/pump/box combo.
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Posted: 08-April-2010 at 7:19PM |
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Hey Guys.
My previous post was based on the research I did for my Montego GT project.
After reading the subsequent postings, I went through my folder to check and make sure I had my facts in order.
The invoice from Lee MFG caught me off a little bit bacause it is dated 11/14/2006, and it was for $470.00 not $400.00.
I attached a couple pictures of the invoice, and of the box below.
To answer the specific questions:
1) Yes, you can absolutely buy and put the quick ratio GM components in the Saginaw Ford housing and make a quick ratio box. I do not rember what the exact steering ratio is with these components installed though. I would need to look that up again, but I am just about positive it is not 12.7:1.
2) No it is not a ford box. The invoice shows that it is a "Saginaw/Ford Housing", and it has the "Saginaw script S in the box" logo between the lower mounting bosses.
3) My application is going to use a small circle track style pump, which means I can't get my hose at the parts store by any application for the parts counter guy, but if I were using the stock pump then yes, no problem there.
Lastly, I believe it was going to that ratio that changed the input shaft diameter to 3/4 36 spline, but I would need to check that again to be positive on that too.
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Posted: 09-April-2010 at 5:09AM |
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What upper control arms are those?
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Posted: 09-April-2010 at 5:57AM |
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Nice front clip Mike...too bad my Nascar wheels wouldn't work for ya.
I have a suggestion, if we can work through a few details, Sticky this topic.
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Posted: 09-April-2010 at 6:03AM |
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Oh, another mental note, if you are doing hoses, or having issue getting the correct hose, you can buy a stock hose from a local parts store, or if you have the original, go to a hydraulic place that does hoses.
I had to do hoses for my snow plow last year, and go on the discussion with the guys about trying to resolve an issue I had after blowing up my power steering hose.
The replacements were no where near the same as my original, I ended up reusing one off a parts car that was from that green wrecked '72 Q code...hose looked brand new, so why not use it?
I was so pissed off after trying to find a new hose that was correct I gave up.
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Posted: 09-April-2010 at 6:05AM |
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It depends what pump you use. Unlike most of you guys I have the 'plastic' pump.
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Posted: 10-April-2010 at 5:09AM |
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I would like to see more of that front clip.
Looks like those UCA's are custom built?
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Posted: 10-April-2010 at 6:37AM |
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Cancraft got back to me. The're prices are really good, and they said they can do a 2.5 LTL box (about 10:1) or a 3 turns LTL box (the same as SPA-T). I think I am going to go with a 3 turns LTL box. The 2.5 turns LTL at 10:1 is probably too quick. I know CVPI (late model ones) have 3 turns LTL and I really like the steering on those cars (although they are rack and pinion).
For other Canadians on here, Cancraft seems to be great so far, plus no duty and shipping is reasonable. |
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Posted: 10-April-2010 at 9:28AM |
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2.5 is what my Cavalier is. If I could, I'd put that in my Cougar.
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Posted: 10-April-2010 at 11:53AM |
Yes, they are fabricated. the lowers have a bunch of work done to them also.
I will start another thread on my Montego GT instead of hijack this one.
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Hello
Have you checked is this Borgeson steering gear. What they meaned when you look their sales catalog information? They inform: Gear fit up to -71, but why they inform it will fit to Gran Torino? GT's start -72... and maybe -72 gear is similar than -71 and older? I don't know, but somebody who know, could you please help us to know. If this Borgeson gear bolt holes/dimensions/design fit straight to -72 GT this could be good possibility because gear is Saginaw and this gear you can get also in fast ratio. BR: Jukka ![]() |
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