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    Posted: 04-May-2006 at 7:27AM
Is this the gear that is refered to Paul for the Mustang Gear upgrade?2006-05-04_192658_Mustang_Gear.pdf
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That is the same gear that Torino used for the Saginaw gear option...

So is the Saginaw gear the superior steering gear?
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IMHO  Yes the Saginaw is the superior unit because if you get the right one light from a 71-73 Mustang variable ratio box or from a Camaro Z-28 You can have 3.5 turns lock to lock My first box came out of my totaled Boss 351. #2 Came out of a Torino but I changed the spool and sector out of a Z-28 and it works great! Gary
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Like this one? Is it a direct bolt-on, or do I just take out the guts and install them into a Torino Saginaw gear? I assume since the auto parts retailers have only one part number for 71-73 Mustang and Torino with Saginaw that it is 4 turns to lock, and hence the 3.5 turns to lock you refer to was a rare option on 71-73 Mustang which would not be available at NAPA?

Am I correct in assuming my best bet is to buy a camaro gear (presuming I cannot find a Ford gear because it is probably rare) and then buy a used Saginaw gear also for Torino and rebuild it with new seals and the Camaro gears?

Here is an ebay ad I found:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/REMAN-Camaro-FAST-RATIO-power -steering-gear_W0QQitemZ8062403672QQcategoryZ33589QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 
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           Scott I am not so sure that the Camaro box will bolt in but it should because I don't think they would have made a special case just for Ford. On the Torinos and other midsize Fords there was an adapter for the steering flange looks like a bow tie. No puns now!! And of course the p.s. lines are different. The part # was D3OZ-3B676-A  GARY

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Just ordered a gear:

16-13:1 Variable Ratio
Ford core used, direct bolt on
About 3.3 turns lock-to-lock

Price: $398

AGR Performance , Inc.
4920 Rondo
Fort Worth, TX 76106
Phone: 817.626.9006      Fax: 817.626.9758
info@agrperformance.com

I'll take some pictures of it when I get it in a few weeks.

I don't know alot about steering systems, but the way the variable ratio works is in the first 25% of travel or so it acts like 16:1 and then after that it acts like 13:1. Meaning that on the highway it is friendly steering, and turning a corner in a parking lot will become a tighter ratio and be parking lot friendly.

Sounds cool, and for only twice the price of a gear from Napa or PartsAmerica or whoever, I am willing to give it a try.
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Originally posted by GranTorinoSport GranTorinoSport wrote:

Is this the gear that is refered to Paul for the Mustang Gear upgrade?2006-05-04_192658_Mustang_Gear.pdf

 

Um..Sorta. The one I use is the SPA-T box from a 71 Mustang. That box you showed is a 4:1 turning ratio (turns lock to lock). The one I used is 3. That's the whole point of doing the upgrade. Last I heard, AGR wouldn't touch a Ford box.

Also. A Camaro box would bolt up (I had one up on the frame of my Elite for a short time). However:

The pitman arm splines are different.

The line fittings are metric

You'd need to come up with a way to connect the box to the column.

And.... most importantly.. the steering stops are located differently.

Your best bet is finding a box on ebay or a yard, with the proper tag.

From http://429mustangcougarinfo.50megs.com/steering.htm

Power Steering Gearbox

The 71 429 Mustang (and other V8 models with competition suspension) came with Variable Ratio Power Steering, which provided a rapidly reducing ratio as the wheel is turned beyond center. This gave the driver the benefits of quick ratio steering without the steering being super-sensitive. The 71 -72 variable ratio P/S gear boxes were tagged "SPA-T" (see below) and "SPA-V". The SPA-T was definitely used on the '71. It is not known at this time if the SPA-V was also used in '71 or was for '72 only.  

SPATtag.jpg 25102 bytes      steeringassembly.jpg 46864 bytes

71 -72 Mustangs without the Competition Suspension used a Constant Ratio P/S gearbox listed as SPA-S and SPA-U.

Autokrafters offers a rebuild service, which actually uses "your" box, not a core/exchange.

Check rockauto.com as well. They show one Ford box, and one Saginaw box for all the cars.. which wasn't the case originally. I'm curious what you get from AGR.

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Paul,

I already purchased the AGR box. They had some cores and are rebuilding one now for me as a 16-13:1 variable (approx 3.3 turns to lock). I should have it in a few weeks. I will take pictures of it and post up the whole deal when I get it.

It sounded like a heck of a gear from what the guy said on the phone.
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D3ZZ-3504-B
SPA-T

"Variable Ratio Saginaw Gear"

Shows up for 73 Mustang

FYI. Since I have the Master Parts book for 73-79 I thought I'd look it up. Gives folks an extra part number in addition to the one provided by Paul.
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HOW DO YOU GET THE RIGHT BOX FOR A 74 TORINO?

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BEETER RATIO THAN STOCK CAN ANYONE MAKE PART NUMBER RECOMMENDATION?

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I got the AGR Steering Gear.

I thought I would post some pictures up of it.

It is the 16:1 to 13:1 Variable Ratio Gear.

 
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Those of you who still want to make your stock Steering Box into a quick ratio, you can send it to Can Craft here in Surrey, BC, Canada. They did an excellent job on mine. I have no play in the steering wheel and I can steer the car easily with two fingers. They can rebuild your stock Steering Pump too.

http://www.cancraft.com/parts.htm

 

 



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I guess it more or less qualifies as "Bling".
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Impressive. If my box suddenly explodes, I'll try the AGR.

Is there a stocking part # that they have for the Torino?
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I will get it for you. Let me sift through the paperwork.
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So did you get the steering gear box from AGR installed?  My steering wheel has a lot of slop in it so I'm looking to upgrade.
 
I've never swapped out a steering gear box, is it difficult?  About how many hours did it take you from start to finish?
 
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LAST WEEKEND I JUST INSTALLED AN UPGRADED RATIO AGR CUSTOM STEERING GEAR, IT WASN'T DIFFICULT , BUT I HAD MY MOTOR OUT AT THE TIME ,  JUST A FEW , I THINK IT WAS THREE BOLTS TO THE FRAME. PLUS THE PINCH CLAMP FROM THE STEERING COLUMN. OF COURSE IT WILL BE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT IF THE ENGINE IS IN THE CAR.
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Thanks, TJ.  My motor will be in the car so I guess we'll see how difficult it is.  I assume since your motor is out you haven't driven the car with the new gear?  Just curious how much you like it.
 
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NO NOT YET BUT I'M HOPING TO HAVE IT GOING BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH!
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