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    Posted: 20-February-2014 at 10:37AM
I finally got the seized distributor out of my 400, and even did so without out destroying it. I used a slide hammer in combination with a puller and after many solid hits it finally came out. The stock distributor is part# C8VF-12131-B. It has the dual port vacuum advance on it. I am assuming the dual port was for the Transmission regulated spark control?

I am thinking of upgrading this distributor, getting rid of the points and getting rid of the TRS spark system. I am not really interested in adding an ignition box, just a modern distributor that allows easy tuning, and is reliable.

Anyone have any recommendations?

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I like my Mallory Unilite, the modules are not idiot proof though. only trouble I ever had was when I added a battery in series rather than parallel w/o isolating the ignition

Crane & somebody else has a digital externally adjustable distributor I'd like to try
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i used one of those aftermarket HEI style distributors in my 351w, simple 1 positive ignition wire to hook up, came complete , new ,billet, paid about $80, works fine!
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The local speed shop guy is recommending MSD or just swapping a Pertonix in the stock distributor. I will have to look at the Mallory and HEI units.

http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Distributors/Ford/Ready-to-Run/E-Curve/8350_-_Ford_351C-460_Ready-To-Run_Pro-Billet_Distributor.aspx
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I'm looking at the Pertronix Plug and Play dist. That, a new coil and a set of wires are on tap once the weather breaks. 

That said, its about $200 more expensive than what CaliJony pointed out.  Thats tempting.
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Originally posted by 72FordGTS 72FordGTS wrote:

I will have to look at the Mallory and HEI units


the $50 ebay billet dizzy is 99.9% guaranteed to burn out within 6 minutes. not a bad place to start but plan on replacing the module with a quality unit

make sure you look at your intake manifold & air cleaner to see if they'll work with the HEI cap Ginormity

I've seen quite a few OMG installs, one the owner claimed was a Pertronix complete dizzy but I couldn't confirm. he may've been sold an ebay special & paid for a Pertronix? it would only ALMOST fit in one spot, then the intake & dizzy housing had to both be ground on for clearance to let it sit down into place... in this car, 36 Dodge with a 351C-2V / FMX / 9" from a 73 Mustang IIRC. note the Windosr T-stat housing, this guy's mechanic was a real Wizard



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too bad, that's a sweet lookin' coupe
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Mallory Unilites have never failed me. Strongly recommended.
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I forgot how big the GM HEI units are, so I may avoid that option. I doubt I'd have the clearance as even the smaller stock distributor is pretty tight. Plus, I'd like to keep something more stock looking.

It sounds like the Mallory Unilites are decent from what you guys are saying. I take it they can be run as a stand alone without a box?

Anyone have experience with Pertronix? If they are decent, it might be an ideal solution to keep the stock look. The Igniter III claims to be as good as a "box" ignition without the box. Looks like they also sell entire distributor assemblies too:

http://www.cjponyparts.com/pertronix-distributor-flame-thrower-female-cap-billet-ignitor-iii-351c-and-429-and-460-1969-1973/p/DIST24/

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I bought a Mallory setup from a member here and have ZERO complaints. Cured a lot of "Timing and Carb" issues.
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I've been considering the 'Jeg's SSR Billet' distributor for my 351W.  I strongly suspect that it is made by Pertronix (whom has a great reputation).  I even looked at the instructions for the Jeg's unit and the Pertronix Flame-Thrower Billet unit (w/ Ignitor II) and it looks like they pretty much just did a word replace using "JEGS SSR" instead of "Flame-Thrower".
 
Here's a link to the Jeg's distributor for 335 & 385 series engines:
http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performance-Products/555/40056/10002/-1?parentProductId=
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Seems the Mallory are pretty well liked here.  I will have to see if my local speed shop carries them, I know he can get MSD and Pertronix.  I prefer to deal with him over mail order, and he is one of the best tune-up guys I know.
 
One other thing, has anyone had issues running the factory tach with the aftermarket distributor?
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Hmmm. Good question. My application has no tach.
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With msd you need a tach adapter and there is more wiring involved. Don't know about the others. ...-Rick-
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the topic doesn't pop up in the FAQ, http://info.mallory-ignition.com/support/faq.html
and you'll definitely want to read that if you choose the Unilite

but I found a schematic on this AMC board
http://amccars.net/cgi/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1238709242
that suggests it's possible with a Unilite but not a magnetic pick-up

here's a search on the Mallory page of the available dizzies

available dizzies I think the 2nd from the bottom is the one you'd want?

here's theinstall instructions

in a 72 Ford you'd use
FIGURE 2 UNILITE® WIRING DIAGRAM USING OEM PRIMARY RESISTANCE WIRE
as a starting point

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the early two wire tachs run inline of the positive wire supply to the coil,  since that dizzy uses a separate coil, it should work, because the electronic dist. is basically breaking contact with the negative supply at the coil, which in turn causes the coil to fire. so if you used your pos. from your coil and connected it to the pos. supply of an aftermarket performance coil, it (the tach) should work the same.
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Mallory Unilite and factory tach were no issues.
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Just ordered the Pertronix Flame thrower II Dist.  No spark box needed.  Also ordered a chrome Pertronix coil and some 8mm Summit wires.  

I'm thinking spring baby !!
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Thanks guys for all the great info. Hopefully I will get something on order this week.
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My 351C has a Pertronix Flamethrower II distributor, as soon as you take it out of the box you can tell it´s a quality piece.
Easy installation, works with factory tach.
When I had my carburetor tuned up,  the dyno guy asked me what distributor this was, he said the accuracy of the distributor is exceptional. Well, to me what matters the most is the reliability. I already had good experience with a Pertronix module inside the old Autolite distributor, so it helped on decision when I was selecting a new distributor.
Plus a black cap was available, certain brands only come with red caps which I´m not so fond of Smile



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Aatu, have you had the opportunity to test fit a GM point style cap on the Pertronics base?
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Aatu,

thanks for that post about the Pertronix Distributor. I like the fact that they are black and look semi-stock, since I am going for a stock look with my car. It is definitely one of the distributors I am considering. Did the distributor come with any extra springs to tune the mechanical advance? Are you not using the vacuum advance on your car?
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Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

Aatu, have you had the opportunity to test fit a GM point style cap on the Pertronics base?


The cap in the picture is a GM/HEI/male style cap, speaking of terminals. The distributor came with female/socket style cap, but when I bought a new set of ignition wires, I also bought a cap with HEI style terminals.
It gives a bit more space between wire boots, and holds them down better (IMO).
The swap of caps was simple replacement.

Originally posted by 72FordGTS 72FordGTS wrote:

Aatu,
thanks for that post about the Pertronix Distributor. I like the fact that they are black and look semi-stock, since I am going for a stock look with my car. It is definitely one of the distributors I am considering. Did the distributor come with any extra springs to tune the mechanical advance? Are you not using the vacuum advance on your car?


It comes with extra springs. I´m not using the vacuum advance, the distributor can be used either vacuum or mechanically advanced.




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Aatu, While I love Mallory Unilites, they do only come with red caps, which is certainly a negative thing.

I love your distributor. Not only does it have a black cap, but it has the quarter turn fasteners for mounting, not the snap-clips. 

Very impressive.
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Agreed. I dislike my red cap, and really don't like snap clips (such a pain in tight spots and I feel like I'm going to poke a hole in the cap removing them sometimes).
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Red cap?

what Red cap?

I don't see no Red cap!

I ain't got no stinkin Red cap!

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^ What is that carburetor?
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Predator carb, based off the Kendig

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I plan to get one of these for the Torino. I ordered the wrong plug wires, but I found this and was pleasantly surprised.
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