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    Posted: 19-April-2017 at 10:10PM
Thanks for the encouragement guys, you're right, it's all still manageable. I think my initial reaction was just frustration because I want to finally start driving it properly.
I'lll keep you posted on the development.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rockatansky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-April-2017 at 5:42PM
first thing i was going to suggest is Waxoyl
https://www.waxoyl-usa.com/products/corrosion-protection.html
 
i guess you have a similar product
 
 
I'm going to have my 2011 Crown Vic Police Interceptor treated before it rusts like my 2003 did
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they are correct, don't look bad! the insides of the quarters and areas didn't get sprayed from the factory!!Angry  another thing that works good is SEM rust mort, it's basically phosphoric acid which converts the rust.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stanman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-April-2017 at 12:36PM
As crude as it sounds POR 15 actually adds strength to rusted areas. If there's only pinholes tape underneath to keep paint from dripping through and when it dries it'll be as hard as metal.
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I agree, that doesn't look too bad to me.  POR-15 then follow-up with an oil based rust proofing and the car should be fine. 
 
Here is the German POR-15 website:
 
 
The only area of any concern would be the rear floor pan.  Even if your wire wheel it and it ends up with holes, I am sure a small patch would fix it fine.  Check the back window for water leaks too.
 
Maybe some of the guys that know about body work could confirm, but could you not use a panel adhesive epoxy for a small patch panel on the floor if it needs one?
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don't be a perfectionist, thats not bad at all. thats much much better then most of the cars i have seen. easy fixes from what i see so far. wire wheel on a grinder or in a drill and some por 15 paint.
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So now for the less nice update. The more I keep digging into that car the more I get the impression that someone must have "restored" as quickly and cheaply as possible and in order to just make it look good on the outside.
Because on the inside, there is rust. I knew about some of these issues, but not about the whole deal. Basically, there is a lot of rusting going on on the inside of the quarter panels, and a bit less in the doors. The doors are not so bad, but the quarters really worry me because I can't see into the folds.







I think the only satisfying way to treat this would be to take the whole car apart Ouch
So for now I'm treating it with Owatrol Oil, which is rust stopper that creeps into the smallest pores, so it reaches into every fold and so on. It works its way through the rust until it reaches the metal and then isolates the metal from air and humidity to stop the rusting.
So I'm praying it does a good job and that I reach every little nook and cranny...problem is that I'll have to renew it regularly, too.
So yeah, very unsatisfying and annoying!

Oh and while I was at it I noticed the old sound-deadening on the floor was coming off too, so I removed it completely, only to find this:



Yeeey...it's practically through there. At least this is by far the worst spot...I have since treated it with rust remover and then the oil again (will post pics soon), but maybe I should get new metal welded in sooner than later...I don't know. That all wasn't part of the plan Confused

This all just makes me want to take the whole body apart and get rid of all the rust and protect it properly Cry

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Originally posted by MrSmog MrSmog wrote:

that was one happy "ya-hoo"!! in the vid  LOL


That was my buddy who had helped me do it LOL

Okay I didn't know that there is the possibility to put the fuel filter down there...I could change that.
And the carb is a Holley Street Avenger, not a double pumper!
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yeah i saw the vacuum secondary diaphram unit but it looks like it has a rear metering block which should be a longer spread like the DP
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You don't have to cap off the ported vacuum switches if you're not using them. 
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Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

chris they make a fuel line for holley double pumpers it looks like this
Chrome Fuel Line For Holley 4150  Double Pumper Fits Chevy Ford Sbc Bbc 3/8 hose
 and for the filter... i put mine in the hose between the frame and the inlet of the fuel pump Wink
 
those chrome lines have always been a PITA for me, I've had to remove the chrome with a drill bit or suck from the flare on every one I've had. i'll try one of these next time http://grahamperformancetubing.com/ before i fight the chrome flare again
 
also, the carb looks to be a 4160 vacuum secondary rather than a 4150 double pumper, different bowl fitting distances. I've cut the line to the rear bowl & used a stub of rubber to make it adjustable, and some dual feed lines come that way with nice steel braid & fake AN fitting clamps
 
i like the fuel pump pre-filter also, between the frame and the pump
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that was one happy "ya-hoo"!! in the vid  LOL
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chris they make a fuel line for holley double pumpers it looks like this
Chrome Fuel Line For Holley 4150  Double Pumper Fits Chevy Ford Sbc Bbc 3/8 hose
 and for the filter... i put mine in the hose between the frame and the inlet of the fuel pump Wink


Edited by californiajohnny - 16-April-2017 at 5:02AM
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 72FordGTS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-April-2017 at 3:42AM
Great update Chris.  Nice video, I am sure you must have felt good to get to drive the car again!
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Originally posted by legend onirot legend onirot wrote:

beautiful car


Thanks Smile It does have its problems underneath though. I'll post about that soon.

Alright, I have owed you all this update for too long, so here it finally is. Actually, it’s going to be a bunch of updates on different topics, but let’s start from the beginning.

So as I said I was in close contact with Vince (72FordGTS) because he has done the exact same modification on his car, which has the same engine. Once I had the new manifold installed, it was time to reconnect all the vacuum hoses, which I have never dealt with, so it was a little confusing for me at first. I had marked and photographed every hose that I had to unplug in order to know how to connect it back together, but then Vince pointed out I could actually simplify a lot of it.

So I got rid of 2 Solenoids and 2 temperature controlled vacuum valves. I couldn’t get those handy little plugs like the ones  on the new carbs’ vacuum connections anywhere here so I had to improvise. It turned that those black little plastic retaining clips (that I had ordered as spares with all my other parts) fit very tightly into the vacuum lines. So I took all the very short parts of vacuum line that I had left over now and used these, together with the retaining clips, to plug open vacuum connections. I know some will say this is ugly and should be done better, but I’m not building a show car and it got the job done:


At this point I felt like I was so close to finishing everything! But of course I wasn’t. There were several little parts that I had either forgotten to order or didn’t know I would need them:
1) a fuel filter (that was stupid on my part. Ordered a wrong size, returned it, but didn’t order the right one right away, so I forgot about it LOL)
2) That little spacer/gasket/adapter plate that goes between the Edelbrock manifold and the Holley carb so it seals properly
3) The transmission kickdown extension

And of course I found out about these slowly, one after the other. So there was a lot of waiting for orders involved. Thankfully I could get everything from a shop in Germany and didn’t have to order in the States.

The manifold/carb plate


And then I still had to wire the choke, at which point Vince suggested to use a relay and connect the Pertronix module to it as well, so everything gets straight 12 volts from the battery. Sooo I went and bought parts again, put everything together and installed it tentatively. Still have to clean that up properly.

Oh, and I also had to improvise with the fuel lines. The carb came with connectors and a T, but the way it was meant to be installed with the hoses they supplied there was absolutely no chance to connect it to the original fuel line of the car, not even without a fuel filter. So I had to come up with a freestyle solution. It looks a bit complicated but I think it’s the best solution:


I then connected the throttle linkage and kickdown lever, checked the correct operation of both and then it was finally time to put the battery back in and see if and how she runs! Shocked
It took a bit of cranking until the fuel was there again, but then...watch this:

http://www.dropbox.com/s/edohq12zom9fhqh/First%20Start.MOV?dl=0


It ran flawlessly, no weird behaviour or sounds of any kind Smile It even felt smoother than before, and it starts a little quicker, too. Since then I have only driven it through town to bring it back from winter storage, but it seemed to run fine under normal driving conditions. I didn't really put my foot down yet, but it did seem to have a little more punch now. I'll have to properly road test it soon though.
So yeah...looks like we did a good job Big smile And even if we hadn't, now that I've done it all once I could probably do it again in a fraction of the time. Thank you all for your great advice on this! Clap

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beautiful car
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I'm looking forward to sharing more photos when it's out running again!
I've never even seen it clean and in the sun yet myself LOL
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i second that!
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man thats a sweet color green
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Originally posted by MrSmog MrSmog wrote:

Lookin good man!!  Those smoky burnout pics will be up before we know it LOL


I'm still not convinced it'll make so much more power. You know, lipstick on a pig and all LOL

So while Vince is generously helping me in the background with all the vacuum stuff and details, I'd like to share this with you in the meantime. Look how I was greeted the other day thanks to spring arriving here in Germany Big smile


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