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geno8769
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Plus its relatively inexpensive. I bought mine from Rock Auto for around $119.00.
So added volume and a fresh tank. |
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7T9_Tbird
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I was looking into changing the 'Bird over to EFI a while ago, and found this on Youtube;
Pretty good comparison w/real numbers. Also didn't know some of these are manifold picky.
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unlovedford
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I have the 26 gallon tank in my gold '72 Formal. Not super noticeable, but mine has been painted black to somewhat hide it. I do enjoy no fuel spillage out the back, the added capacity, easier refueling, and the fact it is a newer, fresh tank. From the side, you cannot see it at all, and it is barely noticeable from the rear.
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geno8769
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It definitely doesnt look to bad.
It is a later tank. I have a perfectly good 1973 tank that I took out. If anyone needs it, I wont ship, but its free to a good home. So if your close let me know.... I agree, I spent a lot of time trying to get the tune right sand I just could get it to work to my satisfaction.
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the 26 gallon tank, is that for the later 74-76 cars? Is this efi a multi port or a throttle body setup? As the lost art of carb tunin slowly vanishes from gearhead culture, more of these setups will get sold I bet. I have tried to explain carbs, jets etc to a few young guys into 4 wheelers and they act as if i am describin some sort of black magic and wizadry lol
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californiajohnny
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looks great!
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72FordGTS
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So that's the 26 gallon tank? It seems to stick down a bit more than stock, but that's not bad at all.
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geno8769
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Here is a picture with the new tank in. I finally got home before dark yesterday.
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May I suggest an image that is wide enough to see both rear tires? This way, we should be able to see the tank, the bottom portion of the rear valance, the sway bar and the lower control arm mounting points. From this we can judge how your 26 Gal. tank hangs compared to our 22 Gal. units.
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geno8769
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If I get home before dark I'll try to get a picture. How far away do you want the picture from?
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Great to know this project is a success!
Can't wait to see a picture of that larger 26 gal. fuel tank in the back of your '73! Curious how far it hangs down.... |
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geno8769
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The ecu would not take a tune from the factory. After trying everthing, including new SD card, and down load of software. They had me mail it back to them and they worked some magic and when I got it back it worked great.
So far it seems wonderful. I will do an update after I put some miles on it.. |
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Awesome, glad that is' up and running. Thanks again for sharing the great videos.
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glad you got it working! i never realized your car was in that great of condition... that horn pad looks brand new
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72GTS351CJ
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Geno, I watched the video and it sounds like it runs great. But I'm curious, you said in the video you just got the efi back from holley....What was the problem?
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geno8769
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Well I finished it and here is the video. So far I am extremely happy...
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Looks like a nice clean installation. What a shame it's not reliable.... Geno.. I loved your video. Let us know how it runs
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For what it's worth, here are a couple shots of when the FAST EZ EFI was installed; aesthetically, it didn't look bad - the throttle body setup almost looked like it belonged. It just wasn't meant to be for me.
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How about a few pics
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ilyes
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I still have the Fitech in my car, and don't plan on changing it unless I score a tunne ram, then I'd put 2 of them on top. I've installed a lot of these EFI at work, so I just want to share what I like/dislike about them.
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I like the idea of Fuel injection, but I have several reasons for probably never installing it on my Torino. First, I like the idea of an old car having old technology. It's nice to have simple mechanical parts that can be tuned and fixed easily. Plus I want to keep my car appearing stockish. Second, the cost of the systems has come done, but they are still very pricey, once you figure in the fuel system mods that are also required. And me living north of the border, I always have to live with higher prices in general. Third, while OEM fuel injection is dead nuts reliable, I am question the reliability of aftermarket systems. And while you can have go to any parts store to get parts for your 25 year old FI truck, that probably won't happen for these aftermarket systems. But I am glad they keep coming down in price and improving with time. I may never put on my Torino, but I could foresee using an FI system on another project down the road.
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Thanks for sharing these videos. They are a great resource for the forum.
Why did you end up changing the FI system? Last time I remember you were installing the FiTech system on you car.
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havanariviera
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Agreed, it just seems to me (I can't work on cars, so I have all my work professionally done) that unless the old car is extremely tight in every way possible, issues are inevitable. As mentioned in the post above, "older umbrella seals allow a bit of oil to bypass valve stems and screws" and potentially interfere with self-tuning, sensors, etc. This is a perfect example in my case of why the EFI would operate without issue for months at a time, and then fail without warning. In one of the situations, I drove 50 miles with no symptoms; parked for 5 minutes to go in and get a soda at a convenience store, came out and got nothing. It was trying to turn over, but just wasn't getting any fuel/air mixture to start back up. When a carb is going bad or need to be retuned, rebuilt - you'd likely experience a rough idle or some other symptom that indicates you need to address it. With the FAST EZ EFI, like I said - fine one minute, left me stranded the next minute. The other oddity is that the screen would indicate errors when none were present, you'd have to consult the manual or call FAST to understand, address, and clear the error code. The concept of self tuning does sound good on paper, but it's basing the actions on the conditions present as gleaned from the sensors. One day it would be running so rich, there would be soot coming out of the tailpipes, and without manual adjusting it on the touch screen, I'd keep driving so the system could "learn" - you're encouraged to do that. So then it would self adjust, and the next day I'd be getting lean pop any time I accelerated. The other thing as I alluded in my post, if you're out and something fails on the carb or other related component, you can probably stop in an auto parts store or even a garage and get the minimal parts needed or a quick repair that will get you home. With EFI, there is no such thing as stopping into the nearest Autozone and buying a new, compatible O2 sensor if it were to fail and you're 50 miles from home. For me, this is less of a critique of the FAST system, and more on bolt on EFI in general. I'm sure there are plenty of guys who have had good luck and no issues. For my car, it just wasn't a match and I wasn't going to continue to pour money into a system that I had no faith in. With the Holley 625 and the 4V Edelbrock intake, the car runs great - the idle is just as smooth as EFI, never runs rich, no lean pop - the only thing missing is better gas mileage. But I'll pay extra fuel costs to avoid the risk of running an unreliable EFI setup that has the potential (twice demonstrated in my case) of leaving me stranded with no options other than a tow.
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X3 for me as well. I REALLY wanted to do EFI for a long while on my ride, ever since the 1st Holley Pro-jection units came out about 25 years ago. Those were very unreliable for whatever reasons, either sensor, software or installation. Now with the fairly affordable new crop of self tuning EFI in the recent years the urge to change-over was even greater, but I again procrastinated and thus just installed a wideband which allows me to get my Holley carbs tuned for my engine's needs. The results are good(maybe not to the extent of EFI) and can be tuned and/or fixed by me on the side of the road if the need arises. The self learning EFI systems are(on paper) great, but potential issues arise by either failures with the units, sensors, installation short-falls or a combination of all these and also unseen, overlooked or unfathomable factors. Another issue that I have heard/read about that sorta surprised me is simply an older engine that uses umbrella valve seals instead of the more modern positive control valve seals, these older umbrella seals allow a bit of oil to bypass the valve stems and screws with the tuning and/or an O2 sensor's accuracy/longevity. I wonder if this situation is being brought to a potential customer's attention, before the product is bought. I realize this isn't the fault of the self learning EFI units, but it should be presented in the installation discussion to allow more a positive experience and/or longer lasting benefits. I seriously hope the OP gets his Holley Sniper system figured out and it does run well for him, so he can reap the benefits for years to come.
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had an issue with my blazer and the EFI, got tired of throwing parts and money at it! put a edelbrock intake and holley carb on it with an older stand along HEI!!! no more issues!!!! |
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JOHN
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Installed one a few weeks ago. I like it better than fast, hands down. The interface is better than fast and fitech, though a bit harder to set up the parameters the first time. The harness bulk is about the same size as the Fast, Fitech is a lot let.
Now, after driving all 3, I like the fitech and Holley the most. Fast is inconsistent on hot starts, especially on lower vacuum engine.
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