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    Posted: 17-October-2019 at 4:45AM
The clutch pedal not being listed on MDL's site has been something I have brought up, however you have to call them and just order it.

Also, modifying a set of headers at least for me wasn't a huge nightmare but the factory Z bar can be a PITA.

However, I plan on working on mine as well over the winter.
My GTS needs some attention in multiple spots. 10 years of bangshifting on the street, there are dues to pay...
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Wow...thanks bud!   You're not late.   Its in 7 days  Smile.   I hope to update some threads here soon.   My car is getting painted now.   I can't wait!
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Photobucket is nothing but problems, it ruined a lot of threads on here.  Your best bet is to upload the photos to your file manager on this site.  That way they are always available.  There is a how to thread and Californiajohnny even made a video if you need some help with the upload process.

I fixed your photos above.  They have been uploaded to the site now.
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Whats the deal with photobucket....anyone have a recommendation for another pic host service?
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I went hydraulic because there just isn't much room to work with around the brake booster.   



I had to switch to hydroboost to make room.  The hydroboost is nearly a bolt in replacement.   One bolt hole had to be elongated. 

You can see the slave cylinder is really close to the mounting location of the brake booster, within 1/4 inch when assembled.

The position of the slave cylinder is perfect to allow the connecting rod to swing in an arc without binding.


It works perfectly.  I have no regrets.   I had to fabricate a push rod for the brake booster to master cylinder.   This is one of the places that sells a kit for a torino.

I also had to relocate the booster pin on the pedal to the correct height.  It is bascially 1/2" close to the pivot than the automatic pedal pin distance.

I hope this helps.  I was planning on doing some guide on this swap but i never seem to have the time.   I've been swamped trying to get my car to the paint shop combined with work and life.

BTW...I would also highly recommend welding in a sealed bearing race in the pedal brace to replace that plastic bushing.   I had mustangsteve.com do mine since I didn't have a welder at the time.  Well worth the extra money and effort.

Anyone have a better picture hosting service?  Photobucket is messing up the pics and trying to charge you for storage, even though they take ownership of your pics.



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PN MD-402-7276T-C doesn't pull up on their page yet Ermm
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The peddle that he designed is like how I originally started. Not a bad idea but it was the same thing for me, the headers. So everything started to get expensive. Not a fan of the snowball. Wss looking at hydraulic and decided the cable was the cheapest best way to go. Worked out great. 2000 mustang donor, paddle to throwout bering. I'm working on pictures (whole different story)
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Always great info. Would be great to see pictures.

One of my complaints with my GTS has been I had to modify the headers I had for my car.
I had old Dynomax Blackjack headers on my 1976 Ford Elite with my 351C and C4, but I figured when I put my engine into my GTS, I figured I had nothing to lose by chop-cut-weld into my 4 speed car. Took a bit of figuring out but I made a new pipe then had an exhaust ship bend me one up and I burned it into my header, to clear the Z bar.

I've discussed with Paul at Modern Driveline and John [BackinBlack} and with our clutch pedal, the travel/ratio is supposedly quite ideal compared to some other setups out there.

I'd love to see your Pedal set conversion however. 
As I've driven Foxbody's 87+ and also the SN chassis 2000-2001 GT with a 5 speed, I can say I loved the 2000's clutch feel. Granted it was a 4.6 GT with a hurst short throw shifter on a T45, and not my 351C/Toploader or the Tremec TR3550 combo.
 


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Originally posted by BackInBlack BackInBlack wrote:

Great idea to add to a DIY guide.   Cables are great idea for relocating access through the firewall without changing pedals or geometry.
 
+1, a DIY guide would be great.  We can add it to the how-to section of the forum.
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Great idea to add to a DIY guide.   Cables are great idea for relocating access through the firewall without changing pedals or geometry.
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I used a 94 mustang peddle box to convert mine.wanted to use the cable setup so I didn't have to change headers. I own a welder so might not be that easy for everyone but the box from the mustang is 2 pices6. Split it. Cut automatic brake pedal pad off. Welded clutch side of pedal box to my original much like done in the mustang. Clutch pedal shaft runs through to locate quadrant over throttle pedal. Cable exits next to throttle cable. Used the brake pedal pad from mustang
It wasn't that bad. Much cheaper option than sourcing factory parts.
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Originally posted by 72FordGTS 72FordGTS wrote:

This is great news if it comes to fruition. Please keep us posted Andy. I have asked John to do a write-up on the tremec install too which I want to add to the technical section.


Ooops
I completely forgot about that Tremec stuff...
I have already did a clutch pedal swap and a hydraulic clutch setup.   I used Mustangsteve bearing and race kit to hang the pedals.  Moderndriveline helped with the slave cylinder position and pedal position/setup.   I was their Guinea pig.

They 3D scanned all my pedals (manual and auto) with linkage to develop it.   They were very helpful and a great resource.   It was a challenge to get the slave cylinder positioned correctly and get the pedal geometry setup correctly.  Its all good now.  

For some reason I'm not getting notices when people update the links.  Months go by before I get an email notifying me that someone posted.   Not sure why.


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Originally posted by russosborne russosborne wrote:

I just looked on their Pedal page, not listed yet.
Russ

They have it, but not added yet. They need to update things on this website.

Also, as an FYI they are selling the pedal trim and pad. Here is the info I had from MDL:

The pedal p/n is MD-402-7276T-C and is $195.00.

It does not include any springs or linkage. The pedal uses MD-412-6568-DB pedal pad kit for $29.00 (brake and clutch w/trim rings).

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I just looked on their Pedal page, not listed yet.
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And I never thought I was as happy as I was to have saved a Torino firewall. 
I was glad to send this, along with a bunch of 1972 and 75-76 Brake parts and two steering columns to them for testing and fitment.

I need to follow up with the guys and see if they have managed to do much in fitment. Paul at Modern Driveline worked with John on this originally and I'm really hoping this helps to get a complete package for vacuum brake cars set up soon.
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Hey guys, sorry it's been a bit. Work and life have been a mess of sorts.
Anyways, the pedal is directly meant to install on an automatic car, or replace an existing manual pedal.

Modern Driveline has told me they have these on the shelf now and ready to ship.

They are not reproducing the factory Z bar setup, these will be for use with mainly hydraulic conversions.

Vince, I think I mentioned this awhile back but any progress on getting a Manual Transmission section added into the forum? Also, I'd like to sticky this thread as well as I feel it's important we let folks know there are options out there. 
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What Dave posted above is what I believe is correct.  I am hoping Andy will come on here and explain the details.  I literally just copied his FB post to put it on here so that those not on FB could see this info.

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It appears that it will work with a Z-Bar and it might be possible to adapt this to a cable style clutch, using parts that are already made for other Ford 4 and 5 speed conversions. The parts that Andy is sending to MDL will be for a hydraulic slave setup. Andy's goal is a kit that works with a standard power brake booster on the firewall and no need for Hydro boost. MDL said they need to work on the firewall mount.

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Does this run the Z-Bar or some kind of hydraulic setup?

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I saw this posted on the FB group by Andy, so I thought I'd share it here so everyone can see.  Apparently Modern Driveline is introducing a clutch pedal kit for the 1972-79 Torinos et al.  It's part number MD-402-7276T-C.
Here's an example of their work on the website:
 
It looks like Andy will be posting more info on this on the forum soon, but in the mean time this is what he posted on Facebook:
 
Originally posted by Eliteman76 Eliteman76 wrote:

 
Well look at what I got today from our friends at MDL...Modern Driveline Inc. 1972+ clutch pedal.
Heavy stout piece.
Say goodby to overpriced factory pedal sets kids, and say hello to being able to adapt the 72-79 automatic pedal hangers to manual transmission goodness.
$195.00 from MDL.
If you mention you are from GranTorinoSport.org they will give an additional discount.

I’ll also say MDL also built my clutch package and helped me so let’s do what we can to support these guys!

Also as an FYI I am working with them and sending a firewall and 72-73 parts I had and ‘76 brake parts with the help of Justin Wicker.

Lastly John P. Steinberger was HUGE in this as he sent them a factory pedal set to get this ball rolling.

John’s car is set up with hydroboost but I’m working with MDL to get them to develop a hydraulic conversion kit similar to American Powertrain’s firewall kit they make.

I’ll be posting things to the forum but I wanted to share this good news.

This is the reason I’ve been asking members to post up on the forum on the thread to share details and pictures. 

 
 
 
 
 
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This is great news if it comes to fruition. Please keep us posted Andy. I have asked John to do a write-up on the tremec install too which I want to add to the technical section.
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http://forum.grantorinosport.org/billy-cs-72-gts-better-late-than-never_topic5080_page14.html

I have the cad files for the entire thing somewhere on some hard drive. Can't believe how long ago that was. There are a few things I'd do differently if I had to remake it of course.
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Oh, I almost forgot. I moved the brake pedal pad over towards the gas pedal before I even did the swap. It was only because I was used to it that way from my other cars.  I'm sure it would have needed to be moved for the swap anyways though. It was a very simple job if I can remember.
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I think I did my entire auto to hydro clutch swap without modifying or welding a single part of the original car. All my parts were fabricated from laser cut sheet metal, bent, and welded on the bench. The hardest part to make myself, if I can remember, was heat treating the bearing race inside the needle bearing for the pedal swing. The entire setup is also adjustable in almost every way possible for different master cylinder sizes and pedal positioning. There are quite a few details in my project thread.
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I wonder how this would fit in a Panther chassis (Boxcar LTD)
I beat my head against the wall 16 years ago trying to figure out a hydraulic setup from a 90s F150 to run a 300 inline and 5 speed M5OD in my T-Bird. Interweb back then was less than helpful.
Pedals would have been a great help.
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Originally posted by 7T9_Tbird 7T9_Tbird wrote:

I REALLY hope this come to pass.  I could probably adapt it to the 'bird.  Would LOVE to put a stick in the beast. Thumbs Up

I don't know if there are any differences in the 77-79 pedal hangers compared to the 72-76 stuff for the Torino. Knowing Ford though it's one of the parts they left alone over the 8-9 year run on our era of cars.

I'd love to see a couple pictures of the pedal setup / steering column hanger from a 77-79 LTD2/T-bird/Cougar/Ranchero.
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Originally posted by Nuggets Nuggets wrote:

I just bolted in a Tilton pedal box, also gave me adjustable bias brakes and progressive throttle linkage

Nuggets, the goal here is being able to easily adapt into a stock setup to a high degree. Personally I'd love to see your setup but the goal here was to replicate the stock components and make something easily bolt in with no need to deviate to a high degree from the OEM clutch pedal setup.

I know myself I was considering Wilwood's clutch reservoir system tied to my original pedal.
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Originally posted by russosborne russosborne wrote:

Sounds really promising.

But will this support a swap to a toploader from an automatic as well? At least the pedal I would think? Not sure which way I am going at this point. Really leaning towards a toploader with the Gear Vendors o/d.

Thanks,
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In the case of the toploader, it would still work but keep in mine the conversion is geared to work with an adapter kit to go to a hydraulic throw out bearing, which could easily be done with the Toploader. No different than say setting up a TKO500.

I considered a gear vendors at one time but I looked more at the route of TKO/T-56 myself.


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Originally posted by IndyLTD I I IndyLTD I I wrote:

Currently I have a 94 Mustang clutch pedal assembly and brake booster I was going to attempt to adapt.

Definitely would be interested in something a little more specifically designed for the Torino chassis. I don't think it would be hard to manufacture a pedal assembly that would work with z-bar, cable, or hydraulic setups. I've seen conversion kits for other Fords that adapt original clutch pedals to cable and hydraulic setups so a redesign to fit our cars shouldn't be too hard. Cost would be my biggest concern. I am eager to see what they come up with and if it truly can be fabricated and sold at a reasonable price. The market isn't as guaranteed as it is for the Mustang or Brand X vehicles.

Clutch pedal kit will be around $200 mark. I was told as of today, if they know specifically it's from Gran Torino Sport {I also plan on posting up details on TorinoCobra.com and FordMuscle.com} that they will extend a 10% discount for our site.

With that said that's JUST the pedal kit from my understanding. The original automatic brake pedal may need to have the pad trimmed down and a new manual transmission rubber pad installed as the original automatic pad is too wide.
There will still be the linkage portion that's needed when converting over to a hydraulic throw out bearing which is around $600 or so, unless you have an OEM Z bar and frame and bell house mounts.


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