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californiajohnny
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Posted: 31-January-2019 at 3:05AM |
ok i thought you did
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74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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russosborne
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Yep. Got them from another member here. Thanks, Russ
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californiajohnny
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i will, do you have the big brackets?
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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russosborne
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Yes, you did.
That's been my backup plan, was hoping I could get the Tbird rotors though. Bolt on is always my favorite way to do stuff. Let me know when you are sure either way about the pan. Thanks, Russ |
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californiajohnny
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russ, i sent you 74 spindles you can go with big brackets and 12" 74+ lincoln rotors redrill if you're fond of your particular on the style wheels you have
good news for you russ... the front pan section you still need i may have available for you ( just need to confirm with my own eyes if his drivers pan is good in his car, he says it is but) |
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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Rockatansky
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change to small rotors and caliper brackets, or change spindles & redrill 74+ police rotors
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72FordGTS
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That's disappointing. It would be even worse for a guy that owns a '72 Bird or Mark IV, no replacement rotors available for those cars now.
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Vince
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russosborne
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Well, bad news.
Part number 6028R is being discontinued. 6028 already was. I can cut and paste the email from them once I get home later tonight if anyone cares. So Raybestos is out. I'm going to have to go to the newer 74 and up and have them redrilled. Too tired and frustrated to try to find these Thunderbird ones anymore. Russ |
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russosborne
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Just to update this, I keep forgetting to call. There is an option on the website to ask where to buy, so I just did, specifically asking about part number 6028 or 6028R and if they are available in the US. I'll let you know if/when I get an answer. Russ
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russosborne
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I tried calling today but they were closed already. 8-5 Central Time.
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Rockatansky
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maybe they'll wake up to the Nationwide Out Of Stock and punch out a small production run
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hogfiddles
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Sounds like a run-around
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russosborne
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Got this for an answer about who is selling these. Raybestos customer service. 1-800-323-0354 |
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russosborne
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Interesting.
I got a reply from Raybestos saying that the 6028R is still in production. I asked him if he has a list of distributors because no one seems to have it. The saga continues. Russ |
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russosborne
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In case anyone might be interested, here is the contact info to ask Raybestos a question. Their part number for the 72 rotor is 6028 in their catalog. I just sent them a question asking if they still produce this. I'll update when I get a response. Maybe if enough people ask they will see the interest. Russ
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Do they ever stop?
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Rockatansky
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The Hits Keep Comin! |
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russosborne
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Sad update. Napa can not get the Tbird rotors at this time. Don't know if they will in the future, their vendor doesn't have anymore. Fortunately thanks to CaliforniaJohnny I have the 74 spindles so I can still do the upgrade, just more of a pain. Russ
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72FordGTS
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Just to clarify, a lot of the parts used on the early Torinos were used for years before by other car lines too. For example, the smaller bushings and upper control arm shaft used on the Torinos made Pre March 15 1972 were also the same one used on full-size Fords from 1965-72. Almost all the other odd ball parts for 1972 and some '73s are like this, including rear bearings, front bearings, ball joints etc. They were all used by other Ford lines for years before 1972. So none of these parts are that odd or hard to come by.. The only part that was specific to these early Torinos only is the front brake rotors, but the availability still seems okay. I will do a reference post on all this stuff soon, since it comes up often. I will include part numbers and cross references, and cut off dates for parts changes. The solid screw in bushings were ony used by Police cars, AFIAK. The factory Taxi package may have used them too.
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Vince
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Rockatansky
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std duty upper control arm bushings and the shafts got upgraded post 1972 then there were the HD screw-in bushings too ... ? the rotors show available, just a matter of how much & where they're from
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Billy C
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The 72 large brake rotors ship has sailed? That kinda sucks. Well regardless the brackets are hard to find too. I suggest swapping over the 73 suspension as a whole and getting rotors, quality pads, and fluid. I remember the 1972 bits being a little different than all the other years. Nothing major, just bushings and stuff. I think they hadn't quite figured it out yet.
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russosborne
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I did the online reserve/pick up in store thing at Napa. We'll see what happens.
Probably should have just called, but I don't like calling. Russ |
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Rockatansky
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the only way Rockauto is going to get any is if they buy old stock from an auction or clearance, they show up as available until you add to cart then it's Oh Shoot Edited by Rockatansky - 25-October-2018 at 5:25AM |
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russosborne
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I've been on their "contact me if they get any list" for well over a year now for those. Not feeling good about the odds anymore.
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72FordGTS
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Sorry, you're right Randy. The 1972 Police Rotors and T-bird Rotors are the same and use the 5 x 4.5" bolt pattern. Centric does make this rotor but Rock Auto is now out of stock again.
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Vince
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Big Bird
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There are no 5x5 small bearing rotors, 11" or 12".
Changeover was a running change in '73. Different plants, different lines changed at different times. Easier to find parts for the big bearing set-up, but all the 12" big bearing rotors are 5x5. There are weird older systems in fullsize cars that ran thru 72. Stay away from them. Fullsize went to the common large bearing torino system in 1973.
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hogfiddles
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I'll pull the '73 rotor this weekend to check... Thanks, guys!
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Like Rock says, you will have to check your bearing size. I believe most '73s had the smaller bearing, the switch was closer to the end of the model year. The big advantage of the bigger bearings is better availability of the rotors. Go on Rock Auto and there is more for the 1974+ Torinos vs the 1972-73. The bigger bearing is supposedly more durable too. FWIW, you can run the 12" rotors with the smaller bearings but you need the hard to find 1972 T-Bird or Torino Police rotors. The Police Rotors use the 5x5 bolt pattern while the T-Bird use the smaller 5 x 4.5" pattern. Rock Auto had some police rotors listed when I checked earlier today.
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Vince
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Rockatansky
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the 1974+ spindles also allow you to upgrade to 12" rotors if you can find the caliper brackets they come with 5-5" lug pattern so you either have to get them re-drilled or find appropriate wheels. if you could find dual pattern wheels wit 5-5" & 5-4.5" you'd have no worries rotating tires or the spare fitting either front or back w/o changing the rear lug pattern to 5-5"
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hogfiddles
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True........I knew that --hadn't thought that through enough, though, yup, I'll do that this weekend.
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1972 Gran Torino Sport - Q code new project 1972 Gran Torino - parts 1969 Torino GT - M code 95+/- mid-80's Yamaha XJ-Series (10 trophies) |
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