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    Posted: 14-May-2018 at 4:34PM
There are no off the shelf springs that will lower the rear of the car any significant amount.  Almost all are pretty well stock height, with some minor variation depending on what it's installed on.
 
All the spring data from this thread is summarized here:
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote simon455 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-May-2018 at 5:46AM
did anyone managed to come up with a off shelf rear spring @ a rate of 200lb or close that would lowers the car 1.5-2" 
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Thanks Vince. I actually have been considering replacement of my rear springs but not sure yet. Using 75-76 moog replacements for a Thunderbird!
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All the spring information from this thread and more has been compiled here:

http://forum.grantorinosport.org/torino-spring-specifications-oem-and-aftermarket_topic16862.html

There is also a thread on different stances with different springs here:

http://forum.grantorinosport.org/coil-spring-stance-photos_topic16869.html


For a 75 Torino you can try Moog 8002 for a close to stock spring rate. These can but cut to lower the stance but will require some trial and error. There is a photo of a 75 Torino in the Photo stance thread with these springs installed uncut.

If you want stiffer than stock then go with Moog 80090. Start with half a coil cut and go from there until you get your desired stance.

If you want lower than stock rear springs you have to get custom springs from Eaton or someone else.

Read over the threads I posted. Things are much more clear compared to this thread.

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Once again, I take a peek on my thread and holy-hole-in-a-donut Batman, this thread is crazy.


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Like John said, cutting your existing coils might be an option.  I've done that on several cars without issue.  That's an easy task with our front springs.  Start with a half coil.  See how much of a drop you get, then go from there.  I've cut a full coil from a few of my cars, which gave me about a 1.25" to 1.5" drop.  However, cutting our rear coils might be a challenge.  They are tapered on the ends, so you will have to heat them to re-taper them. 
 
Another option is Eaton.  For my '76 Montego wagon, I purchased 2" drop springs from them. 
 
Trying to find a "stock" off-the-shelf type of spring that will give you a drop will be difficult.  I tried that without much luck.
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chris FWIW i have a 74 with a windsor no a/c i cut a half a coil off my stock springs works great for me Wink
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Anyone have front and rear spring options for a 75 Torino?  351w with iron heads and no AC.  I did buy a set of the Little Shop upper control arms and energy suspension bushing set.  I am looking for a lower ride height than stock.  It has close to 500 hp so I want a performance ride but comfortable.  I see a lot of info on these pages, but not a lot for 74 and up and frankly, I need some help choosing.  Thanks much!!
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You guys are probably right.
I'll have to look into those, I know nothing about them at all. Embarrassed
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i'd go with an add on air bag set up like vince suggested Wink
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Russ, have you considered using Air lift air bags?  This way you could run whatever spring you want in the rear, but if you have a load, pump up the air bags.  I ran them on one of my old cars, and they worked pretty well. Plus you can stick with a decent shock rather than those overload shocks. 
 
A cargo coil would be a good choice for a Ranchero, but I'd stick with one of the lighter (ie non-wagon) springs.  Took much stiffness in the rear will make the ride poor and affect the handling.
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Would the way to go really be using a good handling shock and cargo type springs?
Or would it be better to use load adjusting shocks like these
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=60631&cc=1129003&jsn=21
with good coils?
Or should I just not worry about the occasional use as a truck and go with the best handling shocks and springs? Yes, buying a truck for hauling duty would be ideal, but isn't going to happen. I'm really not a truck type person. The Ranchero to me is a car with a bed. Not a truck. Shocked

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Thanks.

The ultimate goal is stock height but better handling in the rear. I like stock rear height with the front lowered a bit.
Having a Ranchero makes it a little tougher choice since I will have to use it as a truck once in a while.
I'll look for those spring charts.

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Russ,
As far as rear springs go, somewhere on here I put a link to spring charts at Moog's site and I think an interactive search thing.
Rear springs for a 65-78 fullsize, 67-79 Thunderbird will all fit as well as the standard options. you need to look at installed height, as well as spring rate and effective spring length.
Are you looking to raise the rear, stockish height but stiffer, factory ride, marshmallow ride?
I have Mark V springs in my Thunderbird because I wanted a 70s rake and didn't want cargo coils.
There are Galaxie springs that will give you a stock height, but stiffer as well.
I have not seen any factory springs that will lower the car.
 
 


Edited by Big Bird - 29-October-2017 at 10:37AM
The above post should be read in a "Grumpy Old Man" voice.
Almost forgot: "Get off my lawn!!!"
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Originally posted by 72FordGTS 72FordGTS wrote:

Russ here is the direct link on Rock Auto to all the '72 Torino shocks:
 
 
You'll notice KYB's come in both Excel-G and Gas-A-Just versions.
 
Bilsteins are more expensive and probably the stiffest riding, but IMO the best for all out performance.  You have to search for a late model Crown Vic to find them through:
 


i just put a set of the kyb excel-g's on mine, good all around oem replacement shock. I did replace the upper bushins with the poly type just for the heck of it.
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Russ here is the direct link on Rock Auto to all the '72 Torino shocks:
 
 
You'll notice KYB's come in both Excel-G and Gas-A-Just versions.
 
Bilsteins are more expensive and probably the stiffest riding, but IMO the best for all out performance.  You have to search for a late model Crown Vic to find them through:
 


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Originally posted by russosborne russosborne wrote:

Originally posted by changinlatitudes changinlatitudes wrote:

Russ, I think it all boils down to a matte of taste. I have almost the same setup you do....72 Montego 351/C-4, 235/60-15 on the front with 15x8 rims. I went with CVPI Moog #80090 with 1/2 coil cut, and front shocks are KYB Excel-G #343128. It lowered the front end to the perfect height (for me), and handling/ride is MUCH improved.

I had the same problem when going through these posts. A LOT of good information here, but hard to dissect in a usable format.


Matt,
I wanted to double check on the shock part number you gave. I looked those up on Amazon and the ad mentions Ford Focus. Confused
Someone else recommended Bilstiens, but those are a bit out of my budget for now.
I did just get the Moog 80090 springs today. Haven't installed yet, front suspension is still completely apart.
Thanks,
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Russ, I double checked that part number on Rock Auto and eBay and that's the right # for 1972 Ford Gran Torino. Looks like Rock Auto still has a really good price on them. FYI I also went with the KYB #343135 for my rear shocks.


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Nope, but that is why I asked, I need ideas. LOL
Getting custom wound ones probably isn't a possibility, but over the counter ones maybe.
Am I limited to Ranchero/Torino springs for the rear, or do other models coils work?
Etc.
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have you considered getting "cargo" springs? I went with them on the rear of my 72 wagon, they're stock springs made with the next thickness up of wire. Our local spring shop custom wound them for me, price was pretty reasonable.

I went with CVPI springs in front, and Monroe 550010/550011 shocks front and rear. Zero complaints, the car handles wonderfully.


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All,
Have we discussed the rear coils and shocks in here? I'll go back and look, but I am wanting some suggestions  for a 72 Ranchero, which will have to be used as a truck at times.Cry
But I am still wanting good handling, otherwise I would just put a pair of air shocks back in it. It does have a class 3 or 4 hitch welded in. Not sure I would ever use it except in an emergency.
I know I may have to compromise a bit here. Thinking that I might need something a bit different from a regular Torino though.
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Originally posted by changinlatitudes changinlatitudes wrote:

Russ, I think it all boils down to a matte of taste. I have almost the same setup you do....72 Montego 351/C-4, 235/60-15 on the front with 15x8 rims. I went with CVPI Moog #80090 with 1/2 coil cut, and front shocks are KYB Excel-G #343128. It lowered the front end to the perfect height (for me), and handling/ride is MUCH improved.

I had the same problem when going through these posts. A LOT of good information here, but hard to dissect in a usable format.


Matt,
I wanted to double check on the shock part number you gave. I looked those up on Amazon and the ad mentions Ford Focus. Confused
Someone else recommended Bilstiens, but those are a bit out of my budget for now.
I did just get the Moog 80090 springs today. Haven't installed yet, front suspension is still completely apart.
Thanks,
Russ


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For Andy or anyone else interested in Bilstien Shocks.  Here are the part numbers for the correct performance shocks for our cars:
 
Front
 
24-014953
 
Rear
 
24-014960
 
The front are out of stock at RockAuto, but the rears are in stock no at $81.79.
 
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I have had my Bilstiens for going on 4 years or so. Very happy with them. No float or bounce and not harsh. You have to get them for a late 90s Crown Victoria. Make sure you get the performance versions not the comfort. I have used Bilstiens on a few of my trucks over the years too. They last a long time. 

I am sure the adjustable shocks would be the best setup but bang for the buck it's hard to beat Bilstiens. You can get them pretty cheap if you stop around. Rock auto usually carries them.
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I used Bilstein's.   Definitely more money than KYB.  I've been happy with them but they are not adjustable.   I used KYB in the past and wasn't happy with them.   They seem a step up over OEM.   Koni was way better, IMO.

if your really serious about a fully adjustable great quality shock...this is one of the most recommended I found.   Rebuildable, adjustable, and w/wo coilovers.   Not cheap, but the good stuff rarely is...
Basically select them based on length.   So dont get put off cause its mostly a chevy site.   This guy its is good resource regarding improving the handling.   I bought his book...and used some of the Chevy setups as a reference for improving our Torino.  Still a work in progress. I'm close but stalled due to other projects.   



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I hate to put this here...but has anyone run adjustable shocks?
I've been overall happy with the 80090 but I've noticed with my KYB monotube shock the front I tend to get slight bounce in the front. Keep in mind as most of you guys know I tend to push my car hard.
I also think coupled with the 40# steel wheels the unsprung weight of my combo might warrant a stiffer shock.
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Originally posted by changinlatitudes changinlatitudes wrote:

Russ, I think it all boils down to a matte of taste. I have almost the same setup you do....72 Montego 351/C-4, 235/60-15 on the front with 15x8 rims. I went with CVPI Moog #80090 with 1/2 coil cut, and front shocks are KYB Excel-G #343128. It lowered the front end to the perfect height (for me), and handling/ride is MUCH improved.

I had the same problem when going through these posts. A LOT of good information here, but hard to dissect in a usable format.


Thanks, Matt.
Sounds like the Moog 80090 are what will be best for me.
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John, that is one thing being considered.
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Maybe break this up into several threads...

some guys like going straight...big back tires skinny fronts (there are multiple divisions in this alone)
some like simply stock OEM
others slightly better handling than OEM without big changes
some want performance street handling
Another topic would be oriented performance street plus...more like pro touring and autocross
Then there is extreme track which can be divided again into oval, road racing, etc.

We have everything piled up in one post.

Problem its really hard to talk about springs without your target application and what wheel/tire combo your planning on using.   Oh almost forgot...not to mention shocks as well.




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It's been discussed about trying to weed through this post.
The problem was I never expected this thread to get so long winded.
Lots of discussion but there are plans to clean this up considerably in a condensed posting.
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Russ, I think it all boils down to a matte of taste. I have almost the same setup you do....72 Montego 351/C-4, 235/60-15 on the front with 15x8 rims. I went with CVPI Moog #80090 with 1/2 coil cut, and front shocks are KYB Excel-G #343128. It lowered the front end to the perfect height (for me), and handling/ride is MUCH improved.

I had the same problem when going through these posts. A LOT of good information here, but hard to dissect in a usable format.
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