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Timustbe 
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Is it true the sport cluster is ready? I am very interested in obtaining one.
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Tim Northcutt
'72 Ford Gran Torino Sport (Pearl White) '05 Ford F150, 5.4 (Comp Yellow) '13 Ford Mustang GT, 5.0L, 6 spd (Grabber Blue) '16 Ford Edge, 2.0 Turbo (Black) '02 HD Road King Classic |
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NeillNZ
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Posted: 19-April-2018 at 12:24AM |
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Sport cluster has arrived from Andy. I have started tracing the
circuit. Still a couple of cut-outs to trace, my eyes are too tired
right now. Once I've done those two cut-outs I'll have this made as a
mech and trial fit it to the cluster/housing. I'm sure there will be
some adjustments as there are a lot of peg holes in this design to get
exactly right.  |
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andrewok1
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Posted: 17-April-2018 at 1:03AM |
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i have these on craigslist as well mention this site ,shipped they are listed a t 150.00 otherwise,we have 5 yet to sell , a few people never got back to me / ANDY
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andrewok1
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Posted: 12-April-2018 at 5:47AM |
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thanks , for your feedback Jerry , these are on ebay
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jversch
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Posted: 12-April-2018 at 5:37AM |
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I got mine in the mail yesterday . Looks great .
 
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Jerry VerSchneider
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andrewok1
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i am figuring around the 10th of April for shipping , Neill is going to post aalink to all of the people that has requested all ready ,I have a list and will forward it to Neil /ANDY
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NeillNZ
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Posted: 19-March-2018 at 11:49AM |
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IHope to send them all to Andy by the end of this week or early next week at the latest. I need to cut them out, fit the snaps, inspect and Andy and I are still working on the documentation. It will take about a week to get to him and then he can start sending them out. |
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jversch
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Looks really good . When will you be shipping them . I put in for one , you should have my name down. if not PM me and I will get the info to you .
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Jerry VerSchneider
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NeillNZ
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Posted: 18-March-2018 at 5:17PM |
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Finally I have my hands on the first batch. Very happy. Here are some unedited photos I took just now:           |
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Hey I'd like to know what products you purchased to do this! I prefer this solution. I have a 1978 sports gauge from a ranchero gt that I'm putting into my 1978 cougar XR-7 and I have no clue if the current printed board will work so I'd prefer to skip over all the troubleshooting and wire it up like this. Thanks.
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NeillNZ
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The design has been finalized. The Ford logo and part number has been removed. I have requested a quote for 10 and for 20 units. Once that comes in I'll order the first run.
Here is a picture of the 3rd and final mech. Very happy with the fit:  Edited by NeillNZ - 04-March-2018 at 8:28PM |
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No, but I think I see Waldo...
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John
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NeillNZ
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I'm now happy with the riveting. A friend has machined some tooling for me:
 The one on the right on this picture has been done with the new tooling. Actually I went a bit far in this example(hit too hard):  I received version two of the mech and I'm still not completely happy with the fit. I'm not sure how it is for you guys in the 'States but for my Australian Ford there has been a history if ill fitting and poor quality reproduction parts. I'm trying to make this the best I possibly can. So I chopped up the mech into 4 pieces and placed it on the frame, joined it with sticky tape, scanned it and modified the artwork. I will order a 3rd mech. Probably don't need to but I would rather not risk ordering a batch of circuits that are not quite right. So when I receive the 3rd mech I'll test fit it and if that is right I'll order the first run of 10 circuits. Here is the chopped up version 2 mech on the frame. I have blacked all the edges so that I get a hard edge when scanning it:  Here is the scan:  And the modified artwork. Can you 'spot the changes' LOL?  Edited by NeillNZ - 17-February-2018 at 12:39PM |
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Posted: 12-February-2018 at 2:40PM |
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Wow, awesome work Neil!
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NeillNZ
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Posted: 12-February-2018 at 1:41PM |
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This works and the snaps are held securely but it is not very tidy. It will be better once the centre punch tip has been machined.
Sorry, crappy phone photos:   |
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Posted: 12-February-2018 at 11:23AM |
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JOHNNY , I spoke with NEILL Friday he said he had that under control ,WAS MAKING A TOOL
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Posted: 12-February-2018 at 11:06AM |
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you can get flat backs for regular size snaps but i'm not sure what size the smaller ones are or where to look? Edited by californiajohnny - 12-February-2018 at 11:07AM |
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NeillNZ
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Posted: 12-February-2018 at 10:25AM |
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I have had some success with the eyelets just now. I'm using an automatic centre punch, like this:  I will or I will have a mate machine the tip so that it produces a nice roll over. Something like this:  The spring loaded hand tool from the eyelet manufacturer is $1300!!!! Hence making my own. Remember that only by following instructions, can we hope to maintain a successful highway program. |
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Posted: 12-February-2018 at 4:03AM |
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hard rivets, copper?
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NeillNZ
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Yes the repro circuits I make are indeed fibreglass. It is the thinnest available 0.15mm or 0.0059". I have tested a circuit that is 414mm(16.3") long by freezing it in the domestic freezer in my kitchen and then heating it in the oven. It does not change length as far as I can tell. So it is much more stable then the original plastic, plus the copper is bonded so well that you can solder to it and it will not lift. The downside is that is not as flexible and will break of flexed back and forth a number of times but that is not something that will happen during normal operation. The radius on the opening where the dash loom connector goes is gentle enough that the plug can be put in and taken out many times with no problem. The snaps are "junior" size type 261 and 269. I have a bunch of them now along with two different length rivets. I will post some pictures soon. |
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yes many factory PC boards are like that even on other makes of vehicles that use this system. are you making a hard PC board? you mentioned fiberglass...
sorry i haven't figured out on the snaps... what size are they referred to as? maybe that will help in the search i'm stumped on where to look  maybe someone else here may be able to help???? andy: is this the cluster you got from me? |
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Thanks for the info. That makes sense. I have found that the fibreglass does not tend to shrink nearly as much. Same as when it is heated, right up to when the resin softens it keeps it's shape. |
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That added bulge is to allow the material to shrink in cold temperatures.
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"Sometimes I wonder if I'm actually UNinventing the wheel"
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Posted: 11-February-2018 at 12:13PM |
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looks as good as the original fit , although i know you want it to be flat in the center area ,
if the original lays the same , I do not expect any problems with it , rivet area should be good with extra enforcement, did you get the snaps all figured out , Andy
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It
has been a while since I last updated. I have been making the most of
the good weather here. Shed/workshop/office build is coming along
nicely. One day soon I'll have a place to work on my car.. Here is version one of the mech:  All
of the apertures line up to the frame, so no changes to make there.
What I'm not happy about however is that it does not sit flat in the
middle, see here:  and here:  At
first glance it would appear that I've made the circuit too long.
Actually it is exactly the same as the original. It too sits up in the
middle:   So
while I do like to copy the original as closely as possible I really
don't like how it sits up, so I've cut 2mm(almost 0.1") out of the
centre. Version 2 of the mech has been ordered. Here is the new artwork:  I'm
still working out how to attach the battery snaps. This has been a
challenge. The latest idea is to rivet them but because the circuit
base material is so thin and I cannot source any suitable washers I'm
having a back up plate made up. This plate will go on the back of the
circuit to strength it where the rivets go through. I'm having it made
from 0.6mm(0.023") thick fibreglass.  It will mount like this:  I should have the version 2 mech in about week. If that fits well I'll go ahead with the first run of 10 units. Edited by NeillNZ - 11-February-2018 at 12:05PM |
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Going to collect the mech sample later today. I will post some pictures of the fit to the dash cluster/frame.
Meanwhile I have been assembling some documentation.   What I've found interesting is that almost all of the circuit numbers and wire colors are identical to those in the Australian Fords of the same era. |
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That made for a good fix , I have been working with Neill on the PCB remake ,he is very talanted gentlman , i hope to see all of the cluster PCB reproduced , over the next year or so depending on interest of these PCBs
ANDY
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It's very possible I'm just retarded! I tried to get it off and didn't see any way. I wound up just cutting the copper section around each terminal out of the PCB and the soldering my wiring right to that.
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??????? really?
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