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    Posted: 31-January-2021 at 1:08AM
One thing that I had to do when converting from a standard cluster to the sport cluster was extend the oil pressure sender.  This piece will do the trick. I  found this after going to the plumbing section of the local True Value and building my own. 
This works great for a 351W. 
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Ok -- now I understand, I think !    Thank you for the confirmations.

So..... I'm lazy and I don't want to post twice, so if anyone wants to follow my results, I'll be updating my original thread.   ( I just moved all the wires and tested with mixed results )

Also here for convenience:
http://forum.grantorinosport.org/topic18750.html

Thanks for the responses here.   Cheers.
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My hand written notes are what I started with. I was not the 1st person to mess with the cars wires. 
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Thats correct.  Ford had different pin outs in the 1976 model. I  used the diagram with the color coded wires pictured above.  It worked like a charm.
  Basically your going to move the oil pressure and temperature gauge wires to the correct location in the connector. My two leftover wires went into the two unused positions. 
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If for some reason the oil pressure and temperature gauges are switched, just switch the gauge position in the cluster. 
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Originally posted by Steve M. Steve M. wrote:




hmmmm .... this one really causes confusion for me now .. what I see and tracked down for pins 1 and 14 seem to show the opposite of what is hand written in that picture ?   Are we sure about those hand written notes ? Or maybe I'm missing something ?
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These are my notes for doing exactly what you're doing. 
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That picture ( the FIRST picture you posted which is sideways ) does seem to confirm what my wiring male ( on the car ) connection will have AFTER I've finished moving the wires. I am literally moving them right now. I'm rather excited to see ... something ? dash lights ? fuel level ? It will be the first time I've seen anything.

( This will be, of course, if I didn't already ruin one or more of the components by plugging the connection in already and running the car. )

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See if this helps 
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Hi - going to butt in here for a second, as there are numerous posts about swapping a sport cluster in to a standard cluster. Interestingly, this thread I started here :


http://forum.grantorinosport.org/topic18750.html

torino thread on electrical cluster

discusses the status of my attempt to install what I believe to be a '74 Sport Gauge Cluster into a '76 Standard wiring. Page 2 has the latest analysis of what I've investigated and what I think I need to do. I was not able to determine a couple of changes, so there is some question there, if anyone might offer an opinion.   Reading earlier in this thread ( which - BTW - WOW NICE WORK GUYS!!!! ), this post in the link below seems to identify the same things I did, only better and more correctly. The post says to "correct <Mr. Zebra> if he is wrong", and I did not see anyone correct him. So the question is : Is he, and I ( if I move wire 10 to wire 11 position, and wire 11 to wire 12 position as his post suggests ) correct with which wires need to move to put this '74 Gauge Cluster into a '76 standard harness ? It must be noted that his post is about putting a '77 Sport Gauge cluster ( I didn't think "Sports" were made after '75? ) into a '76.

http://forum.grantorinosport.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=2933&PID=74737&title=info-72-79-gauge-clusters-and-wiring#74737


Thanks ahead of time to all who take the time to read and help out.

(California Johnny is already a part of the other thread and has been most helpful)

I'll also put another post script here about the P.C. and position 12 how there is a break in the circuitry right beside the connector, and I don't understand that, and I'm not sure if Zebra's cluster P.C. has that or not ?

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the shunt in the diagram is for the ammeter... so installing a volt meter i dont think you'll need to worry about it?
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I have a 79 w/ transplanted 460. I got a 120 speedo from a 76 that had a 460. do I still need the shunt set up for the factory tach ? I plan on putting aftermarket oil and volt meters 
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Is it true the sport cluster is ready?  I am very interested in obtaining one.
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The Sport cluster has arrived from Andy. I have started tracing the circuit. Still a couple of cut-outs to trace, my eyes are too tired right now. Once I've done those two cut-outs I'll have this made as a mech and trial fit it to the cluster/housing. I'm sure there will be some adjustments as there are a lot of peg holes in this design to get exactly right.

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i have these on craigslist as well mention this site ,shipped they are listed a t 150.00 otherwise,we have 5 yet to sell , a few people never got back to me / ANDY




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I got mine in the mail yesterday . Looks great .Thumbs UpClapClap
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i am figuring around the 10th of April for shipping , Neill is going to post aalink to all of the people that has requested all ready  ,I have a list and will forward it to Neil /ANDY
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Originally posted by jversch jversch wrote:

Looks really good . When will you be shipping them . I put in for one , you should have my name down. if not PM me and I will get the info to you .

IHope to send them all to Andy by the end of this week or early next week at the latest.  I need to cut them out, fit the snaps, inspect and Andy and I are still working on the documentation.  

It will take about a week to get to him and then he can start sending them out.

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Looks really good . When will you be shipping them . I put in for one , you should have my name down. if not PM me and I will get the info to you .
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Finally I have my hands on the first batch. Very happy. Here are some unedited photos I took just now:

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Originally posted by Power Surge Power Surge wrote:

Originally posted by BackInBlack BackInBlack wrote:

That is really helpful.   I'm using multiple clusters to get good parts from...  the most problematic part is that flex circuit.   They all start to de-laminate after 40+ years of heat and use.

The other item I find extremely difficult to find are clear gauges lens.  They all tend to yellow with age. 

This was my solution.... 


Hey I'd like to know what products you purchased to do this!  I prefer this solution.  I have a 1978 sports gauge from a ranchero gt that I'm putting into my 1978 cougar XR-7 and I have no clue if the current printed board will work so I'd prefer to skip over all the troubleshooting and wire it up like this.

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The design has been finalized. The Ford logo and part number has been removed.  I have requested a quote for 10 and for 20 units.  Once that comes in I'll order the first run.

Here is a picture of the 3rd and final mech. Very happy with the fit:



 


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No, but I think I see Waldo...LOL
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I'm now happy with the riveting. A friend has machined some tooling for me:


The one on the right on this picture has been done with the new tooling. Actually I went a bit far in this example(hit too hard):


I received version two of the mech and I'm still not completely happy with the fit.  I'm not sure how it is for you guys in the 'States but for my Australian Ford there has been a history if ill fitting and poor quality reproduction parts.  I'm trying to make this the best I possibly can.

So I chopped up the mech into 4 pieces and placed it on the frame, joined it with sticky tape, scanned it and modified the artwork.

I will order a 3rd mech. Probably don't need to but I would rather not risk ordering a batch of circuits that are not quite right. So when I receive the 3rd mech I'll test fit it and if that is right I'll order the first run of 10 circuits.

Here is the chopped up version 2 mech on the frame. I have blacked all the edges so that I get a hard edge when scanning it:


Here is the scan:


And the modified artwork. Can you 'spot the changes' LOL?





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Wow, awesome work Neil!
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This works and the snaps are held securely but it is not very tidy.  It will be better once the centre punch tip has been machined.

Sorry, crappy phone photos:




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JOHNNY , I spoke with NEILL Friday he said he had that under control ,WAS MAKING A TOOL 
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