351 before 71

Member of our club has a 69cauger 351. He said its an early w. Its org motor.What family is it from.

Yes I am trying to figure out ford as I own 3. My engine book said never confuse a 351w with the intrum 351 69-70. only bore and stroke the same.

Just one given to me.The autherisDempsey pub by tab books.I just want to know something when guys tell me something like you can put clevland heads on a w.

thanks i'll keep on reading.Seems like ford eng. could not get a handle on one good idea and stick with it.

the Cleveland head comes from the Boss 302 which debuted in 1969 and has roots in XE, ASK and SK parts going back several years earlier, Bunkie Knudson wasn't there while the development took place for years prior. he was only there from Jan 1968 to Sept 1969...

http://automotivemileposts.com/garage/v4n3.html

i get all spun around reading the conjecture lore of how the Cleveland came to be... but from piecing some of it together that kinda makes sense i think Bunkie may have 'stolen' the heads from Ford Engineering and may have had some input with the block?

why would a 'clean slate' project that the Cleveland would be, if it were Bunkie Knudson's baby, have the same head bolt pattern and valve arrangement as an existing and internally competetive Ford engine?

i say the patterns were already in the works when Bunkie came on the scene, he just altered the coolant flow path to suit his block. if Bunkie never turned up at Ford the Cleveland heads would have been bolted to Windsor blocks

here's the birth of the 351W block

http://www.racingicons.com/gt/motivation.htm

how did Smokey Yunick come up with a Chevyland in 1968?

http://www.guinns-engineering.com/Quang%20Le%20Hemi.htm

Edited by Rockatansky - 23-August-2011 at 11:21PM

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fordpower Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 02-September-2010 Location: willseyville,ny Status: Offline Points: 1719	Post Options Post Reply Quote fordpower Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 351 before 71 Posted: 08-February-2011 at 11:39AM
	Member of our club has a 69cauger 351. He said its an early w. Its org motor.What family is it from.

Rockatansky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 30-July-2010 Location: On The Road Status: Offline Points: 5848	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rockatansky Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08-February-2011 at 12:07PM
	http://reviews.ebay.com/Ford-V-8-Engine-Families-A-Primer_W0QQugidZ10000000004021551 90* family. early 351W's use a deck height measurement of 9.48", increased to 9.503" in 1970

fordpower Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 02-September-2010 Location: willseyville,ny Status: Offline Points: 1719	Post Options Post Reply Quote fordpower Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09-February-2011 at 11:06AM
	Yes I am trying to figure out ford as I own 3. My engine book said never confuse a 351w with the intrum 351 69-70. only bore and stroke the same.

Rockatansky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 30-July-2010 Location: On The Road Status: Offline Points: 5848	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rockatansky Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09-February-2011 at 11:17AM
	what book is that? only 'big deal' difference i know of is the deck height. and that only matters if you're building a custom engine or stroker from catalog parts because the stack height might end up hitting the head

fordpower Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 02-September-2010 Location: willseyville,ny Status: Offline Points: 1719	Post Options Post Reply Quote fordpower Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09-February-2011 at 1:24PM
	Just one given to me.The autherisDempsey pub by tab books.I just want to know something when guys tell me something like you can put clevland heads on a w.

Rockatansky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 30-July-2010 Location: On The Road Status: Offline Points: 5848	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rockatansky Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09-February-2011 at 5:41PM
	it's called a Clevor, Edelbrock is currently making intakes for both the 302 and 351W blocks with Cleveland 2V heads

fordpower Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 02-September-2010 Location: willseyville,ny Status: Offline Points: 1719	Post Options Post Reply Quote fordpower Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10-February-2011 at 2:09PM
	thanks i'll keep on reading.Seems like ford eng. could not get a handle on one good idea and stick with it.

lynchster Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 07-January-2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 2127	Post Options Post Reply Quote lynchster Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23-August-2011 at 8:42AM
	Here's a good article with a section involving 69 to 70 small blocks and a theory on the internal 351 Cleveland / Windsor engineer turmoil. http://www.mustangandfords.com/techarticles/engine/mufp_0606_351_cleveland_performance_engine_build/index.html Chuck Edited by lynchster - 23-August-2011 at 8:42AM
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Rockatansky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 30-July-2010 Location: On The Road Status: Offline Points: 5848	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rockatansky Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23-August-2011 at 11:15PM
	the Cleveland head comes from the Boss 302 which debuted in 1969 and has roots in XE, ASK and SK parts going back several years earlier, Bunkie Knudson wasn't there while the development took place for years prior. he was only there from Jan 1968 to Sept 1969... http://automotivemileposts.com/garage/v4n3.html i get all spun around reading the conjecture lore of how the Cleveland came to be... but from piecing some of it together that kinda makes sense i think Bunkie may have 'stolen' the heads from Ford Engineering and may have had some input with the block? why would a 'clean slate' project that the Cleveland would be, if it were Bunkie Knudson's baby, have the same head bolt pattern and valve arrangement as an existing and internally competetive Ford engine? i say the patterns were already in the works when Bunkie came on the scene, he just altered the coolant flow path to suit his block. if Bunkie never turned up at Ford the Cleveland heads would have been bolted to Windsor blocks here's the birth of the 351W block http://www.racingicons.com/gt/motivation.htm how did Smokey Yunick come up with a Chevyland in 1968? http://www.guinns-engineering.com/Quang%20Le%20Hemi.htm Edited by Rockatansky - 23-August-2011 at 11:21PM
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