4 wheel Disc Brakes

i looked at your pic above and the calipers were in the front... they go in the rear like in my pic that's the driver side but i'm thinking you have the mounts on the wrong sides? the ancor bolt should be at the bottom... maybe that's why you had to use the washers???

JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE
74 VETTE CUSTOM
90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED
77 CELICA CUSTOM
75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED
79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED
75 VEGA V6 5 SPD
70 CHEV C10 P/U
68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION

He moved them to the rear in the later shimmed pictures.

Something's not right though.

Any chance the caliper brackets are on the wrong sides? driver/passenger? That would turn them upside down and affect mounting/clearance.

Your caliper retainers are up on top. Johnny's are at the bottom.

Edited by Big Bird - 10-July-2021 at 2:38AM

"What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind."
Randy
1979 T-Bird
2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD
How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds?

I sure don’t like that stack of washers..... I don’t care how tight you bolt something— those could shift

1973 Gran Torino Sport - Q code “Q-Clone” project-on-hold
1972 Gran Torino Sport - Q code new project
1972 Gran Torino - parts
1969 Torino GT - M code
95+/- mid-80's Yamaha XJ-Series (10 trophies)

look at the radius of the caliper in relation to the inside of the wheel, flip it and it looks like it would match better

and YES measure that washer stack and cut some spacers out of some good hard material,

you might even find something usable in the drawers at the hardware store Wink

72 GT Ute

Dmark28 seems to be using Mark IV or V parts. That's what Johnny has. Unfortunately, Dmark28 got them as a pile of parts. So, the issue is sorting the parts and assembling them in the correct order without seeing them assembled properly.

From pictures, his calipers are hitting the shock and upper control arm brackets and needed to be shimmed. They appear to be out of place, not concentric with the rotor.

Johnny's pictures show the caliper retainer (and bolt for it) the the bottom of the caliper.

Dmark28's are on top. That tells me the caliper mount bracket is upside down. Caliper mount bracket bolts to the bearing/axle retainer. I don't know if they are symmetrical, or different from side to side.

Either way, this mislocates the caliper.

In his original pic, the calipers are forward of the axle instead of behind it. This appears to be corrected, but the shims are a new symptom.

"What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind."
Randy
1979 T-Bird
2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD
How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds?

Hey everybody, here's an update.

You all bring up very very good points.

When I got the rearend, yes, it was all in peices and missmatched at that. So I had to do alit if digging and research to find any parts that I was going to still need to make it happen.

With that being said. I too am not fond of the spacers. I am merely using them as place holders until I can either find a solid spacer or now that I have the measurements get some made. Eventually it will be changed.

As far as the caliper brackets go I tried a few different combos before I bolted everything together. I even took a look back at the pictures that Californiajohnny shared.

I tried to match my caliper position to the picture. The hose that feeds the caliper with fluid would hit the shock mount bracket not allowing the caliper to sit correctly, thus the spacers. Eventually I plan on Getting custom retainer/caliper bracket made, but that's a long way off.

Right I want to jus get it in the car. So that's what I'll be doing today getting the old rearend removed and then new one put in.

pictures to come.

And at 8:50pm we are in. Tomorrow tighten it up and figure out the e-brake n some other stuff.

Edited by Dmarc28 - 12-July-2021 at 4:48PM

Ok, so this morning tightened everything up. Tried what everyone had suggested, about the caliper bracket being in the wrong sides. Flipped them but still needed the spacers. Not sure why, but I do.

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californiajohnny Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14469	Post Options Post Reply Quote californiajohnny Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09-July-2021 at 10:10PM
	i looked at your pic above and the calipers were in the front... they go in the rear like in my pic that's the driver side but i'm thinking you have the mounts on the wrong sides? the ancor bolt should be at the bottom... maybe that's why you had to use the washers???
	JOHN 74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION

californiajohnny Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14469	Post Options Post Reply Quote californiajohnny Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09-July-2021 at 10:14PM
	here's a pic of the passenger side...
	JOHN 74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION

Big Bird Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25-August-2013 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 4194	Post Options Post Reply Quote Big Bird Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10-July-2021 at 2:21AM
	He moved them to the rear in the later shimmed pictures. Something's not right though. Any chance the caliper brackets are on the wrong sides? driver/passenger? That would turn them upside down and affect mounting/clearance. Your caliper retainers are up on top. Johnny's are at the bottom. Edited by Big Bird - 10-July-2021 at 2:38AM
	"What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds?

Big Bird Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25-August-2013 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 4194	Post Options Post Reply Quote Big Bird Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10-July-2021 at 2:43AM
	The improved pic, with arrows...
	"What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds?

hogfiddles Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 19-September-2016 Location: Central NY Status: Offline Points: 1308	Post Options Post Reply Quote hogfiddles Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10-July-2021 at 3:51AM
	I sure don’t like that stack of washers..... I don’t care how tight you bolt something— those could shift
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Big Bird Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25-August-2013 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 4194	Post Options Post Reply Quote Big Bird Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10-July-2021 at 4:23AM
	The caliper mounting brackets are on the wrong sides, I don't know if the bearing retainers are on the wrong side as well, can't tell from the pictures, and don't know if they are the same for both sides.
	"What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds?

Rockatansky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 30-July-2010 Location: On The Road Status: Offline Points: 5798	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rockatansky Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10-July-2021 at 7:35AM
	look at the radius of the caliper in relation to the inside of the wheel, flip it and it looks like it would match better and YES measure that washer stack and cut some spacers out of some good hard material, you might even find something usable in the drawers at the hardware store
	72 GT Ute

fordpower Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 02-September-2010 Location: willseyville,ny Status: Offline Points: 1713	Post Options Post Reply Quote fordpower Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10-July-2021 at 11:15AM
	Ok I am confused my 90 markV11 has 10.8 rotors my 79 ltd2 has 11 3/4 according to auto zone. 89 crown vic has 11.

Big Bird Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25-August-2013 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 4194	Post Options Post Reply Quote Big Bird Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10-July-2021 at 11:43AM
	Dmark28 seems to be using Mark IV or V parts. That's what Johnny has. Unfortunately, Dmark28 got them as a pile of parts. So, the issue is sorting the parts and assembling them in the correct order without seeing them assembled properly. From pictures, his calipers are hitting the shock and upper control arm brackets and needed to be shimmed. They appear to be out of place, not concentric with the rotor. Johnny's pictures show the caliper retainer (and bolt for it) the the bottom of the caliper. Dmark28's are on top. That tells me the caliper mount bracket is upside down. Caliper mount bracket bolts to the bearing/axle retainer. I don't know if they are symmetrical, or different from side to side. Either way, this mislocates the caliper. In his original pic, the calipers are forward of the axle instead of behind it. This appears to be corrected, but the shims are a new symptom.
	"What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds?

californiajohnny Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14469	Post Options Post Reply Quote californiajohnny Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11-July-2021 at 10:48PM
	yes that's what i'm thinking ... they are on the wrong sides?
	JOHN 74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION

Dmarc28 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 17-March-2018 Location: Garden Grove Status: Offline Points: 108	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dmarc28 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12-July-2021 at 8:19AM
	Hey everybody, here's an update. You all bring up very very good points. When I got the rearend, yes, it was all in peices and missmatched at that. So I had to do alit if digging and research to find any parts that I was going to still need to make it happen. With that being said. I too am not fond of the spacers. I am merely using them as place holders until I can either find a solid spacer or now that I have the measurements get some made. Eventually it will be changed. As far as the caliper brackets go I tried a few different combos before I bolted everything together. I even took a look back at the pictures that Californiajohnny shared. I tried to match my caliper position to the picture. The hose that feeds the caliper with fluid would hit the shock mount bracket not allowing the caliper to sit correctly, thus the spacers. Eventually I plan on Getting custom retainer/caliper bracket made, but that's a long way off. Right I want to jus get it in the car. So that's what I'll be doing today getting the old rearend removed and then new one put in. pictures to come. And at 8:50pm we are in. Tomorrow tighten it up and figure out the e-brake n some other stuff. Edited by Dmarc28 - 12-July-2021 at 4:48PM

Big Bird Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25-August-2013 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 4194	Post Options Post Reply Quote Big Bird Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13-July-2021 at 4:34AM
	Calipers are in the right place/orientation. Your caliper mounting brackets are upside down. The "Key" and retainer bolt are on top. They should be on the bottom. I don't know if you can just flip them or you also have to swap them side to side. Your caliper brackets attach to the bearing retainers. They may have to be swapped side to side as well. I do know that they are not right and unsafe with those spacers. Spacers should not be needed. Something is not right. Please be careful...
	"What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds?

Dmarc28 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 17-March-2018 Location: Garden Grove Status: Offline Points: 108	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dmarc28 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13-July-2021 at 9:26AM
	Ok, so this morning tightened everything up. Tried what everyone had suggested, about the caliper bracket being in the wrong sides. Flipped them but still needed the spacers. Not sure why, but I do.

californiajohnny Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14469	Post Options Post Reply Quote californiajohnny Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13-July-2021 at 12:19PM
	i think your issue with the hose is the calipers are different!!! note the hose where it mounts, and the 2 dimples cast into the back of the caliper....mine arent like that! mine are new for a 79 lincoln mark V as the hoses have the curved metal part too (i have aftermarket braided hoses) but the OEM hoses were the same shape!
	JOHN 74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION