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    Posted: 07-August-2023 at 3:28PM
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I recently purchased a 73 Ranchero GT. It was in need of some work. I replaced the brakes, ran into an issue with the front discs. I found that the rotors and calipers I ordered didn't fit. I was unaware that there is hub/rotors for ford cars with a 5" bolt spacing and two different diameter rotors. 
The next problem I encountered was not being able to find a pitman arm. I have replaced the tie rods, idler arm and draglink, but no luck finding a pitman arm. I've seen some available for manual steering, not sure what the difference is but I would guess it's the steering gear spline size or count. Anyway, I am hoping someone here has a suggestion for a pitman arm replacement.
The next problem is the ignition switch. I found I wasn't getting power to some things with the key on. I find that the switch is no longer available. Any suggestions for a switch replacement would be appreciated. 
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Your car should use the smaller 11" (10.72") rotors with the 5x4.5" bolt pattern.  The larger 12"  (11.72") rotors with the 5 x 5" bolt pattern were only used by police vehicles and fullsize cars.  There are two bearing sizes for these rotors, and the 1972-73 cars use the small bearings while the 1974-76 use the large bearing.  Make sure you check the bearing size before you order your rotors are it is possible a very late 1973 car could have the larger bearing or someone swapped it over the years to the more common later design.

The small bearing rotors were getting hard to find for a while, but RockAuto shows that they have Raybestos 6026 in stock now.  All the differences are explained of the forum here:


As for the pitman arms, they were available some years ago, but it seems the supply has dried up.  How badly worn is yours?  You could check eBay for NOS parts or someone on here might have a used one.

For the ignition switch, you can try to source used (again someone here might have one) or you can try to find an NOS part:

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I wish I would have known about the differences in the brakes before I ordered the parts. Now I have two new centric rotors with BCA bearings and wheel seals installed that don't fit my car. Hopefully I can sell them.

I have looked on-line for a pitman arm using all the different part numbers that interchange with no luck. My pitman arm has lots of play. The only option at this point is to possibly rebuild it. I wonder if the ball stud & seat would fit from the manual steering pitman arm. If anyone has found a replacement or if there's a way to adapt one from a full size ford or a newer Torino, please let me know. 

In regard to the ignition switch, i found a key on wire to tap into for the regulator, and I tapped into the radio circuit for the heater motor. I read somewhere that a later model switch could be used but would have to change the connector.


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I'd find an ignition switch that is new, used parts are mighty critical for some things. If a later model part is more available, then that would be more desirable in the long run, modifying the connector or wiring would be a minor issue.

Fixing the older cars is becoming much harder due to parts availability. It's time for everyone who owns an old car to create a build book, which should list all non original components. That would be precious for any owner or mechanic to be able to work on the car.

The pitman arm has to be available in some form for some car that is usable. I haven't needed to work on my complete one yet, so far it's all intact and works fine. I expect to be hunting for these kinds of parts too.

Get the new rotors quickly, those are so unique to some models, it can be many years before they make them again, or never do.
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When I have access to my Ford Parts Catalog, I will check to see if there are any differences from the Ford manual steering box arm to a p/s arm.  What brand and part number did you find for the manual pitman arm?
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The manual steering pitman arms I have found are:

Ford            D2OZ-3590-A 
Rare Parts   20398
PST            PIT18775

The rare parts pitman arm listed the following specs:

32 spline
sector shaft diameter 1.125"
center to center lenght 5.5"

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O'Reilly's shows the pitman but IDK if there are 2 different styles for either the Ford or Saginaw?

do you know which steering gear you have?

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O'Reilly's and auto zone both show pitman arm, but they are not available. The rare Parts brand is obsolete. The moog or precision brand part #K8217 is also not available. 
I have the Ford steering gear box (2 bolt cover). 
I believe the manual steering pitman arm is for a Saginaw steering box with 35 splines. I am guessing the ball joint might be the same for both, and if so, I may be able to remove the joint from the manual steering pitman arm and install it in the pwr steering pitman arm. Just a guess, it will cost me the price of manual str pitman arm to find out. What I don't know is if the joint can be pressed out without damaging it. 
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I have a built Saginaw steering box from a 72 Mustang(four bolt box) in my first 73. I think it took the same pitman arm as originally, which were all two bolt boxes. I didn't know anything about the manual boxes(Saginaw etc), but I did swap that out in my first car(72 Gran Torino). I swapped a Mustang box into that one earlier in 1981, that was hell to parallel park every day.
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Originally posted by cjstaci cjstaci wrote:

The manual steering pitman arms I have found are:

Ford            D2OZ-3590-A 
Rare Parts   20398
PST            PIT18775

The rare parts pitman arm listed the following specs:

32 spline
sector shaft diameter 1.125"
center to center lenght 5.5"



The Ford Catalog lists D2OZ 3590-B as the p/s arm but unfortunately does not specify the difference.  You could try searching by the Ford number to see if you can come up with a NOS part. 

I can also verify that Ford box and Saginaw box use the same arm.  When I did this upgrade about 10 years ago, the Moog Pitman arm was still easy to get.  It sucks how fast the parts supplies for our old cars is drying up.
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Staci,

NOS Parts Ltd. lists the part # Vince looked up :


I just purchased a seat belt kit from them and they were helpful to deal with.  They even sent me photos so I could confirm the part was what I needed.

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I'll give them a call tomorrow. I went to the Moog website and left them an email letting them know I need a pitman arm. Maybe they can start making them again. 
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I was able to find a few specs on the pitman arms. 

Rare Parts 20398: Manual Steering, 32 spline, sector shaft diameter 1.125" center to center length 5.5" 

Rare Parts 20135: Power Steering, 32 spline, sector shaft diameter 1.250" center to center length 5.375" 

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Nice, that should mean that .125"(1/8") difference should be minor.
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Nice, that should mean that .125"(1/8") difference should be minor.
But it MAY make a big difference in steering/handling..... 
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Originally posted by cjstaci cjstaci wrote:

I was able to find a few specs on the pitman arms. 

Rare Parts 20398: Manual Steering, 32 spline, sector shaft diameter 1.125" center to center length 5.5" 

Rare Parts 20135: Power Steering, 32 spline, sector shaft diameter 1.250" center to center length 5.375" 



good info for the parts interchange sticky, but i'm not sure i'd call them interchangeable
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Originally posted by hogfiddles hogfiddles wrote:

Originally posted by 72 RS 351 72 RS 351 wrote:

Nice, that should mean that .125"(1/8") difference should be minor.
But it MAY make a big difference in steering/handling..... 


That difference is leverage, like the pedal assembly being different for manual brakes, different pedal dimensions of the arms etc.

The steering box from a 1997 police CV is a very quick steering unit, I just sold my 95 CV that I had that 97 quick steering in. Changing certain parts alters the steering feel, and force required.
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this is getting interesting. it's only 1/8" right? 

how will the idler like being forced or short traveled 1/8"?

will a mismatched pitman & idler affect the Ackerman?


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Interesting is the right way to describe it. I said minor knowing it could be noticeable, but not so very minor that it wouldn't make a difference. I'd bet most people wouldn't notice, but in real racing a driver would, at the limits of handling.

I would try to find the right part, and also might see about rebuilding a pitman arm or the idler arm if it's unavailable.
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you might notice by way of rapid tire wear?
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Several companies used to offer pitman arms for 72-76 Torino/Ranchero. Now unavailable. I imagine there is a ball joint that fits the factory pitman arm but where to find one? I wonder what other owners are doing for their steering. It seems like the pitman arm is the only unavailable part of the steering system. I am very frustrated with this situation. 
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That is disappointing that no one has an arm available.  This web page shows the cross references to other brand's part numbers:


You can try searching by part number for other brands and see if any old stock comes up.  Sometimes on eBay NOS aftermarket parts pop up.  I also checked with Kanter Auto to see if they had one, as they have parts for many antique cars that are otherwise obsolete.  It shows it's out of stock and unavailable too.  I emailed Kanter to see if they'd be willing to carry them again as there is a group of us restoring these cars.  Maybe you could try contacting rare parts to ask the same.

FWIW, last year brake rotors were basically no longer available as well.  Now they seem to be back in stock again.  So maybe this is a supply chain issue.

In the meantime, you should post a wanted ad in our classified section for a used pitman arm. Several members have parts cars and someone might have a pitman arm that is still in good shape.
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I have a ‘74 ranchero that I’m stripping down.....
Get in contact with me and I’ll see if I can get it off
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If you have one that is still good, that would be great. Please let me know.

So far, I have searched for:

TRW 18776
Moog K8217
Perfect Circle 268-1582
Affinia FA957
Midas PA1020
D2OZ-3590-A
D5OZ-3590-B
D7OZ-3590-A

I contacted Moog via emai and received basic boiler plate response. They will let me know if it becomes available. 
I called, Rare Parts, they said it's obsolete.
The problem with most parts stores is the part is still in their catalogs / computer but is unavailable.




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I did a quick search on the D70Z part number and NOS Parts Ltd. has one in stock ($108.09), and they also have the D20Z part number ($108.09).

I recently purchased seat belts from them and they were very helpful, even sent me photos to confirm it was the part I needed.



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My mistake on the number, 3590-A is for manual steering, 3590-B is for power steering. For the 3590-B, the site says call for availability.
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Maybe I should just buy the manual steering pitman arm. The center to center length is only 1/8" longer. Can that really make much of a difference?
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I tried Smile

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I appreciate it. 
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Originally posted by cjstaci cjstaci wrote:

I was able to find a few specs on the pitman arms. 

Rare Parts 20398: Manual Steering, 32 spline, sector shaft diameter 1.125" center to center length 5.5" 

Rare Parts 20135: Power Steering, 32 spline, sector shaft diameter 1.250" center to center length 5.375" 


Don't the specs say the sector shaft diameter is different from one to the other or am I reading that wrong?
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