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spriegel ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 28-September-2021 Location: Fairview, PA Status: Offline Points: 466 |
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With purchasing new rims, I have started to research tires. I want to get radial tires with white lettering to go on my Magnum 500 rims. I saw several reviews on the BFG tires that the white lettering becomes discolored over time, they cite chemicals in the tires does it. Several people said they were going to go to Cooper Cobras. Does anyone have any feedback on this topic? I am now leaning to the Cooper Cobras Radials, but wanted to get more info on the topic first. Thanks, Chris |
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Chris
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DougS ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: 24-February-2019 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 28 |
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When I switched from 14" Magnums, (with BFGs), to 15" Magnums, I went with the Cooper Cobras. I am not sure if one is necessarily better than the other, but I like Coopers better and they seemed to have better ratings on Tire Rack. I had also heard about the discoloration in the BFG's too.
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spriegel ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 28-September-2021 Location: Fairview, PA Status: Offline Points: 466 |
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Doug, Thanks for the feedback, the Cooper Cobras really look sharp. You have a nice looking Gran Torino! What size tires did you go with on the 15" Magnums? Chris
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Chris
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DougS ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: 24-February-2019 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 28 |
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15x7 with 225/70-15 front
15x8 with 275/60-15 rear |
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spriegel ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 28-September-2021 Location: Fairview, PA Status: Offline Points: 466 |
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Thanks Doug! This is very helpful!
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Chris
Fairview, PA '1973 Ford Gran Torino |
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72FordGTS ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() GTS.org Admin Joined: 06-September-2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 5449 |
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I went through this choice a couple of years ago. I went with BFG mainly because I have had good luck with them in the past and because I think they are a better looking tire. Coopers were also harder to get locally, but even the BFGs are not nearly as easy to get as they used to be. IMO, the Coopers have too much text, they look too busy. The original Goodyear Polyglas RWL tires have even smaller writing than the BFGs and look better than the BFGs.
The new set of BFGs on my Torino have been ok but not great. They were tough to balance and the letters definitely brown easier than the old tires, but they do clean up (Goo Gone works well). I bought another set around the same time, they weren't for my Torino, and I actually had to warranty them due to having issues balancing. Coopers have a higher "T" speed rating vs the lower "S" rating of the BFGs. They too seem to have some browning letter issues but not to the same degree as BFGs. They are also usually a bit narrower in general than BFGs when compared size for size. Are the Cooper's better? I don't know. I have always considered Cooper a 2nd tier brand, while BFG a 1st tier (they are part of Michelin). However, BFG has definitely put these tires out to pasture and not improved them with time. They used to be made in USA but now are made in Mexico. Honestly, both are pretty mediocre tires by today's standards and are probably pretty close in real world performance on our old cars. I'd say buy which ever one you like the looks of better and has the best dealer.
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spriegel ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 28-September-2021 Location: Fairview, PA Status: Offline Points: 466 |
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Vince, Thanks for the feedback, it is really helpful. I just placed the order for the rims, so based on other's experience, I'm guestimating they won't arrive until the Spring-time. The sales lead at Wheel Vintiques said their current stock of the version I ordered was being sent to Summit to fulfill an order. I'll probably look at a couple more photos on Torinos and check availability of both brands - it sounds like there are pros and cons of both. Thanks, Chris
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Chris
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pyntre ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 29-March-2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 170 |
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You should check out Milestar and Mastercraft tires also . They have some pretty good tires without breaking the bank , gotta figure most of these classic cars will have tires dry rot before they wear out considering the miles that they actually get driven .
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DougS ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: 24-February-2019 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 28 |
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I'm not sure if Cooper was their own brand before or not, but Cooper is now owned by Goodyear as of last year I believe.
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spriegel ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 28-September-2021 Location: Fairview, PA Status: Offline Points: 466 |
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Here is an AP news article on the news of Goodyear acquiring Cooper last year : |
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Chris
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kychevyguy ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 16-December-2013 Location: Lexington KY Status: Offline Points: 1983 |
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Summer of 21, I needed new tires for my Ranchero and went with the Coopers. They were a little cheaper than BFGs and in stock at Tire Rack where the BFGs were not. I have zero complaints with the Coopers, and there has been no yellowing in the past year and a half with it parked outside too. If I had to do it all over again, I would once again go with the Coopers.
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JT, USAF Ret./Architect
1971 Ford F100 "Lizzy" 1976 Ranchero GT "Ricky Bobby" 1984 Chevy Silverado "Sylvia" 2015 Volvo XC60 R-Design "Sven" |
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72 RS 351 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 04-September-2014 Location: Knoxville TN Status: Offline Points: 2449 |
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I think Cooper has improved their tires over the last several years. I have worn out several sets on my SUV's in that time. I don't know the effect Goodyear will have, I have avoided them always due to poor reviews, whether stock tires or replacements. They never seem to last long, don't stick well in the rain, have noise, harsh rides etc. Hopefully it's just ownership, and not meddling with the quality.
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Don
73 Ranchero "Sport 72 front end", floor shift/console, planning EFI 7000+ rpm 351-4V &4R70W 73 Ranchero GT 351C-4V &4R70W for sale later. 92 Lincoln Mark VII SE GTC, OBDII 347/4R70W |
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lynchster ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07-January-2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 2127 |
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[QUOTE=DougS]I'm not sure if Cooper was their own brand before or not, but Cooper is now owned by Goodyear as of last year I believe.[/QUOTES]
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Chuck
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spriegel ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 28-September-2021 Location: Fairview, PA Status: Offline Points: 466 |
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Thanks everyone for the feedback, I ended up going with the Cooper Cobras GT from Tire Rack … the rims are arriving tomorrow and the tires the next day!
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Chris
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67gt5003119 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 09-December-2012 Location: Gig Harbor Wa. Status: Offline Points: 494 |
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Just my .02
I will never use cooper tires again. I bought some new cooper tires for my mustang. My first trip, 50 miles or so, two tires separated cuasing me to have to call a tow truck. $450 later I was home. Cooper said they would NOT warranty the tires because I was driving a "high performance" car. REALLY?!?! I will NEVER buy coopers again. BFGs at least, maybe even Goodyear eagles. Cooper can kiss my A$$
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spriegel ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 28-September-2021 Location: Fairview, PA Status: Offline Points: 466 |
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67gt5003119 - sorry to hear you had that experience.
I researched this extensively and Cooper Cobras G/T had a lot of positive feedback. I’m looking forward to this upgrade for my Gran Torino. I’ll let the forum know how things go in my project thread. -Chris |
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Chris
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hogfiddles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 19-September-2016 Location: Central NY Status: Offline Points: 1390 |
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Didn’t happen to get them to put in writing what exactly constitutes a “high performance” car, did you?
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1973 Gran Torino Sport - Q code “Q-Clone” project-on-hold
1972 Gran Torino Sport - Q code new project 1972 Gran Torino - parts 1969 Torino GT - M code 95+/- mid-80's Yamaha XJ-Series (10 trophies) |
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spriegel ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 28-September-2021 Location: Fairview, PA Status: Offline Points: 466 |
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The Cooper tires I purchased from Tire Rack come with a Consumer Warranty that covers Cooper, Mastercraft,
and Starfire tires. Replacement tires for defects are free of charge, there is no mention of exclusions for classic cars. It also provides a 45 day test drive warranty. The warranty also has a tread wear protection for the Cobras G/T for 40,000 miles. The tread warranty is a pro-rated warranty against the 40,000 miles. -Chris |
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Chris
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67gt5003119 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 09-December-2012 Location: Gig Harbor Wa. Status: Offline Points: 494 |
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Nope, I was 17 and never thought past my......nose.
These days it would be a different story. EDIT....Keep in mind I went through this in 1987!!.... I'm sure due to them being bought out a few times by bigger companies, the service would improve. Also consider the manager probably didn't want the hassel of all the paperwork and just takinq the easy way out by saying things about my car.....
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14512 |
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yeah i think coopers back then were crap! i've heard they are good now ? never tried the passenger sizes of mastercraft, but i have their coarser M/T tires on my blazer hopefully they are still the same as i will buy another set when these wear out...
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JOHN
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hogfiddles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 19-September-2016 Location: Central NY Status: Offline Points: 1390 |
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I’ve had a lot of mastercraft over the years on many of my vehicles and have been happy with them.
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1973 Gran Torino Sport - Q code “Q-Clone” project-on-hold
1972 Gran Torino Sport - Q code new project 1972 Gran Torino - parts 1969 Torino GT - M code 95+/- mid-80's Yamaha XJ-Series (10 trophies) |
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72 RS 351 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 04-September-2014 Location: Knoxville TN Status: Offline Points: 2449 |
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The Cooper brand has become a popular truck tire choice, I have had several sets so far, and just ordered another for my SUV, 255/70/16's. The Mastercraft was a good choice I saw when I was deciding. I have the 255/60/15's I ordered just before the ETA date of the wheels I want. They pushed back the ETA a few weeks later, and I think they are doing it again now. I ordered the other wheels from Summit, and were due about now. I have to call them all again to see what news is official.
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Don
73 Ranchero "Sport 72 front end", floor shift/console, planning EFI 7000+ rpm 351-4V &4R70W 73 Ranchero GT 351C-4V &4R70W for sale later. 92 Lincoln Mark VII SE GTC, OBDII 347/4R70W |
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spriegel ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 28-September-2021 Location: Fairview, PA Status: Offline Points: 466 |
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Tire rack also includes roadside assistance in the purchase.
I purchased new tires from Tire Rack when they first opened their website for my Dodge Avenger. They shipped the tires right to the installer outside my Army base. Great to see they have grown. -Chris |
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Chris
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Eliteman76 ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 20-March-2006 Location: Nebraska, USA Status: Offline Points: 4879 |
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My experience with cooper cobra tires is they were too soft a compound and wore out way too fast. Also something about my 1988 Ford Tempo GLS 5 speed coupe doing J turns at 45MPH and dumping the clutch at 4,000RPM, along with taking interstate cloverleafs way beyond what that Tempo GLS 2 door had any right doing.
I ran 295/50R15 coopers on my mom's 1976 Elite in high school as my first driver. I switched to BFG radial TA's in the mid-late 90's on my 1984 F150. 255/60R15 and 295/50R15's on all four corners during summer months. Leared Armorall destroyed/dry rotted the material BFG tires are made from. Buddy from Bangshift, Dean, has a restored Clydesdale 71-73 mustang. Think it was either 2010, or 2011, his tires has been on his car 4-5 years, with the car resting on jack stands out of the sun. Blew two near-new BFG's with low miles and wasted his quarter panels, on regular non-abusive driving. BFG claimed his tires, at over 4 years old were the issue and he had to take them to court if I recall. Personally? I only buy goodyears for my car trailers, because I don't trust chinabomb trailer tires. My 2015 Superduty is running Goodyear all terrains. The GTS has run Nitto tires since 2009. Wife's Kia runs Kumho all-season radials, and no issues with them. I say run what is in your budget, but spend money where it counts. Tires are one such factor. Other things...Get a proper four wheel alignment. Nut and bolt the suspension. If you shocks are old, replacement should be considered.
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