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    Posted: 27-July-2021 at 9:19AM
Anyone have the specs for the factory ride heights of a '68 Torino Sportroof?  Mine appears to be sitting high in the front.  Don't know if it's too tall in the front or too low in the rear.

A Google search has failed to turn up any specs.  I looked at an old photo of my first Torino from 40+ years ago and it appears to sit lower in the front.

I'll get some numbers off my car and post later.

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Is it high in the front or low in the rear?
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Originally posted by av8or55 av8or55 wrote:

Don't know if it's too tall in the front or too low in the rear
That’s exactly what he’s asking about...
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   Someone with one of those cars will have the numbers on theirs but the factory specs will be a challenge. It will most likely be getting data from many cars and averaging them out. Toss the extremes at either end.
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There are pictures below showing the original ride height from the factory.




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The photos help, thanks.  Mine looks high in the front based on those. Too much gap between the tires and fenders.  

Factory numbers will be challenging.  I’m hoping someone with a ‘68 or ‘69 can provide some numbers.  If it is front springs, I’d like to confirm as I plan on replacing shocks in the near future.  Will do the springs at the same time.




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maybe your rear springs are trashed, or shocks are weak
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Shocks are definitely time-expired.  Old pair of air shocks installed in a previous life.  I tried pumping them up but they just laughed at me.

The rear springs don’t have any obvious issues but if original, they could also have reached end-of-life.

I’m going out to get some photos and measurements.
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That is the current stance of my Torino.  It's not horrible but doesn't look quite right.

Measurements taken from centre of wheel to bottom of each fender lip:
LF: 15 1/2"
LR: 12 3/8" 
RF: 15 1/2"
RR: 12 3/8"

Measurements from floor to bottom of fender lips:
LF: 26 7/8"
LR: 23 3/4"
RF: 26 7/8"
RR: 23 3/4"

Car is pretty level side-to-side but a three inch difference front-to-back
 


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Measure from the suspension main points, not the body to the ground. Body parts are often not mounted perfectly true and level to the other body parts, can be 3/4" off side to side. On uni-body cars it should be closer to the same, body or suspension. Most variances are with body on frame cars.
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Standard shock absorbers (not air shocks) do not affect standing height.  
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most cars i've seen have softer springs in the rear and sag after time. also keep in mind rear wheel openings are lower in the rear since the rear tire don't steerWink
 my simple answer is remove and cut the springs a little... not real hard to do, i've cut dozens and dozens of springs no big dealWink
 cut from the open coil end, generally  each 1/2 a coil cut = 1" of drop...
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Never been a fan of cutting coil springs.  I don’t know if they’re even at fault here.  I’d put money on the rear leaf springs being weak.

If I had or could find some measurements, that will narrow it down to which end is the problem.  I am aware shocks have little effect on ride height.  Air shocks inflated to their maximum may lift the car somewhat.

I’m going to lift the car at the rear with the springs hanging and see is that changes the front gap.

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Reason I asked is with most cars as the rear springs sag, the nose goes up. In your picture, the rear tires seem up into the wheel wells quite a bit...
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You are correct, Big Bird.  I did jack the rear and watched the front drop slightly.  In order to get a level stance, the rear had to come up about 4”.  The front dropped about an inch.  Looks like I’ve got some old springs back there.

Rather than use the fender lips, I took measurements off the body line as this is constant front to back. Measuring from the floor to line, the front is 2” higher than the rear.

I’d still be interested in knowing what the stock ride height is and what datum is used for the measurements.  Will have to continue the search.

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Below is a diagram from the '69 shop manual that might help.  

I have a '69 formal and the front wheel floor to molding is ~25" and ~27-1/2" on body seam.  Rear body seam is ~27-3/8", so a bit of a sag, but not too much.  These cars tend to trick the eye a bit with the higher front opening, but the body seam measurements don't lie.  From the pic you posted, looks like front may be high.  Mine has new shocks, but original springs, front & rear.



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Thanks Dave.  Your body line looks more parallel to the road than mine does.  I’ll compare your measurements to mine.

I forgot to make note of them but as mentioned, the rear on my car is definitely lower than the front based on floor to body line measurement.

Good shop manual image.  That will help. 
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   Is that manual section on frame alignment on a machine?  Pretty sweet to find that.
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^^^^^  Not real sure, I assumed it was level ground (tho the scan is slightly crooked :) ).  Manual doesn't mention anything about a frame alignment machine.
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   Interesting for sure. Is there one for a 72 sport somewhere that we can sticky?
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what engine and have the intake manifold or heads been swapped for alloy?

the FE intake manifold weighs a ton, swapping it to alloy would lighten the load on the front end quite a bit. other intakes same effect to a lesser extent. same with removing or replacing the factory A/C compressor with a modern unit. as you're aware most likely the rear springs have given up some at this point, also possible the front springs have been updated and they're holding the nose up a little higher? if after replacing the rear leafs you still think the nose sits too high, cutting a 1/4 coil at a time is no big deal. not talking about anything drastic, just a trim. FWIW i had a 68 Montego that broke a front spring, we swapped in a set of Lincoln / limo springs that pointed the nose at the horizon. they held the suspension at the top of travel so we cut 1/2 coils until it sat center of travel, no issues

figure the bottom of the car / rockers should be about parallel to the ground for a factory stance,
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Intake and heads are iron.

My money's on old leaf springs.  I'll order new ones one day.  If it bottoms out over speed bumps, that "one day" will be sooner rather than later.

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