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ELT
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Topic: Power Steering growlPosted: 24-April-2025 at 1:20PM |
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Hi all, PS was quiet but the slave cylinder and short hoses were leaking so they were replaced. I did the left to right bleeding process. Now I have a constant groan when turning either way. Any thoughts as to why? It's a 69 Cobra sportsroof. Thanks, Ed
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Posted: 02-May-2025 at 4:16PM |
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Did it run low enough on fluid so the assist faltered? These pumps have a tendency to get noisy after that and stay that way.
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Posted: 05-May-2025 at 10:16AM |
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Not that I know of. Res. Stays full now. No leaks. I am going to do multiple left to right, lock to lock turns tomorrow. I am thinking there might still be air stuck in there. Do I need to raise the front tires off the ground to do this?
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Posted: 05-May-2025 at 10:56AM |
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Yes taking the weight off the tires will make the process a lot easier on everything , your tires , and your driveway !
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Posted: 06-May-2025 at 3:29AM |
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Okay...lifted the tires. Went lock to lock about 40 times. First with engine off, then with engine running. Did not see fluid bubbles and the fluid level stayed the same. Still growls. No improvement. Steering feels good with no chatter or any other issues. Just the noise.
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Posted: 06-May-2025 at 3:33AM |
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I should note that there was no noise when wheels were off the ground during the lock to lock purge process. Only growls when wheels are on the ground and when driving. Any thoughts as to what the problem is? Thanks, Ed
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Posted: 06-May-2025 at 11:28AM |
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What are you using for P/S fluid? ATF Type F? All I can think of is you used the wrong fluid or the pump is starting to go and the fluid change exacerbated the problems?
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Posted: 06-May-2025 at 11:54AM |
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Yes, ATF Type F. I am thinking it's the pump. No noise when front is lifted because there is no load on the pump. Groans during full load when grounded. Don't know what else it could be.
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Posted: 08-May-2025 at 7:59PM |
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Just a shot in the dark and probably not the issue, but costs nothing but a few seconds to check. How tight is the belt? When the pump is making noise, is the belt flopping around? I would get that with the air conditioning belt.
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Posted: 09-May-2025 at 2:03AM |
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Thanks All belts are tight. I might just deal with it for a while. This is a factory AC car so swapping out the pump is a bit more work. It's car cruise and show season so hopefully it will last the season.
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Posted: 09-May-2025 at 3:33AM |
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No hoses touching the frame? That can make a surprising amount of noise.
If you're sure there is no air, and the fluid looks good and has never been ran low, there are additives you can put in the oil that can help with noise. I've had success with FR3 from hot shot's secret. It only takes a little bit due to the small fluid capacity. Most of the time with whine I find that there is air in the system, even if the bubbles aren't visible. If the fluid is cloudy at all that could be bubbles. Once I found using power steering fluid in place of ATF fixed the problem, that was on a truck with a hydrobooster, and those systems can be finicky at times. Some systems are a nightmare to get air out of. Certain new vehicles require a vacuum pump to be used on the reservoir while bleeding. Some times you have to bleed it and let it rest for an hour or so and then do it again. Being that you had the system open for repairs, I'd be inclined to believe it's air in the system.
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Posted: 09-May-2025 at 2:57PM |
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Thanks Booyah. I think I an going to try bleeding the system with my Mityvac. See how that goes.
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Posted: 09-May-2025 at 6:20PM |
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Another issue is as these pumps age, the Ford Thompson pumps had that groan noise from day one tbh.
Keep in mind, parts have not been made for those pumps for nearly 15-20 years. If you want to consider replacement, Look to Lares. They offer a Saginaw pump designed to drop into the Thompson PS pump cans and you eliminate the Thompson growl. Lares Corporation is who I typically recommend folks talk to. They show a reman Thompson #2038, but I'd suggest calling them. Also, CVF Racing makes a billet aluminum Thompson style housing if you want to clean up things or have a PS pump that has seen better days. ![]() Last item...May be worth while to consider doing a complete system flush. Basically unhook the low pressure loop, and run one hose into the reservoir off a gallon jug of clean fluid, and then run the other low pressure line that feeds back to the reservoir into a 5 gallon bucket, and cycle in fresh type F. Make sure Type F. Do not use "power steering fluid". Our cars need the heaver type F fluid due to the steering box design.
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Posted: 12-May-2025 at 3:35AM |
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Power steering fluid is thicker then type F at room temp, and only slightly (.5 cSt) thinner at 212°F. It was type F that I swapped out in that truck. They make thinner steering fluids, but they're typically referred to as that, or called honda/acura fluid. There's actually guys that swap standard fluid to thinner fluid in canada due to the cold temps for better steering.
Type F from motorcraft has power steering fluid on the label, as that's what it's used for the majority of the time anymore. If you can't find type F, I'm pretty confident power steering fluid will work. At the end of the day it's a hydraulic system, so long as the viscosity is in the ballpark and the additives don't eat the seals and hoses, it should be fine.
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Posted: 12-May-2025 at 6:29AM |
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Type F fluid in some early Ford steering racks(R&P) resulted in bad leaks, and some early failures. That was in Fox Mustangs mostly, so it may also be owner's poor choice of fluid brands. I stopped using ATF in the early 90's and then got a Mark VII and heard those stories. I have never had any odd issues from actual power steering fluid, though I have not yet put it in my Ranchero's. But I will soon, PS fluid is made for it, while ATF is made for transmissions(and Ford was too cheap to discover and use ATF, instead of creating a better fluid). So type F is fine to use, but it is not better than PS fluid. Do what you want to, but please don't debate on the wrong side of a logical issue.
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Posted: 12-May-2025 at 2:17PM |
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Thanks...so, I don't think the type F fluid is the issue. Upon further review, I discovered today that some previous owner used fuel line for the return lines. That's a no no. System does not hold vacuum well with no visable leaks so my latest theory is that those spongy fuel lines are bleeding air. On Friday I will be replacing the return lines along with the pressure line which has seen better days. Hoping for a quiet system after that. The pump is a factory TRW(black), not the teal Ford/ Thompson. Not going to give into replacing the pump until I try everything else first. Thanks so much for all the helpful replies!
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Posted: 31-July-2025 at 1:54PM |
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Leaking worse now from pulley shaft bearing and whining so a new pump is going in on Monday. Bought it from Auto Krafters. It's made by Lares. I painted it teal. Personal preference.
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Posted: 10-August-2025 at 3:07PM |
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All done...perfect! I have the original Ford pump for you to rebuild if you desire originality.
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Posted: 10-August-2025 at 3:34PM |
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DIRC the Thompson PS pump fluid level gauges spec'd Type F ? ![]() |
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Posted: 11-August-2025 at 3:33PM |
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I used Type F in my Thompson pump when I overhauled the steering system and zero issues, very quiet especially for a Ford Pump. That said, the company that built my steering box said I could use PS or Type F. I erred on the side of caution.
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Posted: 25-August-2025 at 12:51PM |
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Agreed! I did the same. No issues.
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